Baby Lisa's brothers to be questioned and DNA tested

[yllek]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15878701/dna-will-be-taken-during-re-interview-with-lisas-brothers

http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/26/3230166/specialists-to-interview-lisa.html

I have yet to find any report that mentions CPS, or any CPS involvement with the family at this time. It looks to me that the police have specialists who handle children, and they conducted the initial interviews with the boys and will handle the second interviews as well. moo

I think there was some confusion earlier. There doesn't appear to be any information that CPS has been called in to investigate the family or open a case. Not that I've seen anyway. But, social workers from Children's Services were used to question both boys for under an hour each the day that Lisa disappeared. Another interview with the boys by these CS social workers will occur this Friday. LE has clarified that they don't have detectives directly question children and detectives are not in the room when the child specialists are conducting the interviews.

This is my understanding at this time!

FWIW, I'm very happy the boys will be professionally interviewed again. They may have information that could help lead to Lisa. I hope so!

 

[Cazzie]

I am interested in why they are wanting DNA. I wonder if they have "something" and they want to compare other DNA against it. Interesting to me.

Glad they are interviewing the brother that was with her buying the wine. I have a feeling he may have been drinking there that evening also.

I don't think there's been any recent announcement of LE interviewing him.
Someone posted earlier but had misinterpreted the title of this thread.

JMO, I'm quite sure that he has been interviewed, though, along with all the other local and visiting family members. I do recall LE spokesman in an early press conference assuring that everyone was being interviewed (paraphrased). Seems like SOP to me.

 

[believe09]

I am really surprised it was made public. If they are trying to keep a routine with the kids that includes school, why let their schoolmates and parents of them know they will be interviewed and have dna taken? They could be teased or scared or told they are 'going to jail' .. typical kid stuff.

Agreed. This is one of my frustrations for sure. I dont understand why LE would draw the media to this event by making the statement regarding it.

 

[lorann]

I feel so sorry for these two little boys, their whole world has been turned up-side-down. Their baby sister missing, mom and dad very upset, not living in their own home. They probably hear so many things that confuse them - and mom and dad going here and there for interviews etc. When my kids were little, it was my son who had nightmares - boogymen, lions and tigers under his bed... When they were little, I heard my kids say the darndest things that made me shake my head knowing it was wrong and wondered what made them think or say it. So much time has gone by now and their memories could be colored by what they have either been told or listened to other conversations. So sad.

 

[nursebeeme]

Agreed. This is one of my frustrations for sure. I dont understand why LE would draw the media to this event by making the statement regarding it.

is it possible that the lawyer for the parents made the statement first and LE confirmed?

could it be a strategy to make it look like they are cooperating?

just a thought:twocents:

 

[katshep]

Ok so why are they waiting until Friday? Anyone have a logical explanation for the wait? Maybe until more results come in? But why not get it done and over with? There is a baby missing here! And not to mention Im sure the added stress on these children going for the interviews. Can you imagine how much stress and worry this waiting game will put on them on top of having to be taken somewhere to talk about where their missing sister is. I mean honestly I would be upset over how it would make my child feel to be taken away from my parents after my sister went up missing! I mean look at it from the view of a child. I hope maybe they will get someone to be with them that is trustworthy from all angles....I hope anyways. Guess I will add these 2 oys to my prayer list with Lisa. And to think if they did have a part in breaking the case and finding lisa what kind of emotional toll it may have on them. ~ not exactly the same situation but if family where to be involved in this case.....My husband told on his father for cheating and thus has always blamed himself for his parents divorce...even 30 years later he still feel guilty. I guess I can sort of see the parents reasoning for holding them back when I look at it from all the angles. :fence::fence::fence: Still sitting....I think ??

Friday is not a school day so they won't be pulled out of class in front of their classmates.

 

[nursebeeme]

is it possible that the lawyer for the parents made the statement first and LE confirmed?

could it be a strategy to make it look like they are cooperating?

just a thought:twocents:

C Short was on fox news at ten am saying this:

Cyndy Short, an attorney for the Irwin family, joined America’s Newsroom to comment on the case. She said that the Irwin boys will be interviewed by special certified forensic interviewers, who are trained to interview children. They boys were previously questioned by police on October 4, the day Lisa vanished.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/10/2...nts-agree-to-separate-interviews-with-police/


I don't think it was LE who put this info out there first... I think they commented on it after the cat was out of the bag:twocents:


((video at link))

 

[Leila]

No, teh. I had a lapse of brain activity for a while....you all can thank me for completely derailing the thread, lol.


So the way I am seeing it is that the boys WERE questioned initially and the parents have agreed to have them questioned again.

I cannot blame mom and dad for not allowing LE to do the interview given their experiences.

Thanks Believe09.....................I wasn't aware that the two boys were initially interviewed, and the fact that they were interviewed for a short period of time within that first week is very important! I feel that with children, the sooner the better when it comes to interviewing them as they are more likely to relate to what's happened in the immediate past 24 hours or so. A few weeks down the road, so much has happened in their lives, that the events of the day and night in question become dim. To young children..............three weeks ago was a long time in the past.

 

[KathrynL]

Agreed. This is one of my frustrations for sure. I dont understand why LE would draw the media to this event by making the statement regarding it.

You have a point, however their parents did major network interviews and are all over the news. They haven't had normal since their baby sister was reported missing. A day probably hasn't gone by that BS, JT, the local attorney, etc has not talked to media since DB/JI stopped talking. It's a group effort, and if these boys are suffering at school it isn't only LE's media statements feeding the fire. moo

 

[Leila]

There is no school here on Friday.
http://www.nkcschools.org/sites/default/files/academic-calendar.pdf

This makes sense. The powers-that-be are working their schedule to fit the children's schedule with as little disruption as possible. That's good, as their lives have already been disrupted in a major way.

 

[Just K]

There is no report of any active CPS investigation. The idea has been posed that the family may have agreed to an informal interview with Child Services Workers, on advise that if they didn't agree LE might be able to pull the trump card...based on the circumstances and evidence found in the home and statements made by DB... IMO, LE may have a little leverage here and DB/JI may have been persuaded to do this voluntarily as opposed to involuntary.

 

[Boodles]

Ok so why are they waiting until Friday? Anyone have a logical explanation for the wait? Maybe until more results come in? But why not get it done and over with? There is a baby missing here! And not to mention Im sure the added stress on these children going for the interviews. Can you imagine how much stress and worry this waiting game will put on them on top of having to be taken somewhere to talk about where their missing sister is. I mean honestly I would be upset over how it would make my child feel to be taken away from my parents after my sister went up missing! I mean look at it from the view of a child. I hope maybe they will get someone to be with them that is trustworthy from all angles....I hope anyways. Guess I will add these 2 oys to my prayer list with Lisa. And to think if they did have a part in breaking the case and finding lisa what kind of emotional toll it may have on them. ~ not exactly the same situation but if family where to be involved in this case.....My husband told on his father for cheating and thus has always blamed himself for his parents divorce...even 30 years later he still feel guilty. I guess I can sort of see the parents reasoning for holding them back when I look at it from all the angles. :fence::fence::fence: Still sitting....I think ??

On the flip side, the boys are being excluded completely from anything related to this case. I suspect this in itself would cause anxiety, thus the one child having 'knots in his throat'. A week ago, Deborah said she hadn't even talked to the boys about it. That's not healthy! Being left out of any communication about this crisis in their own family, especially when they know they have a story to tell, must be very difficult for them. You know, kids have thoughts, and often hold in their thoughts and emotions. But this is a situation where they need to release whatever it is they have to say about that night, whether major or minor. Otherwise it will eat them up if they have no release.

I just hope Deborah hasn't been coaching them on a story to tell. I feel so sorry for those boys.

 

[nursebeeme]

From KMBC's Peggy Breit: This is a place that conducts forensic interviews of children in a child friendly neutral atmosphere. They conduct interviews for the police department in cases of sexual abuse, violence or even murder. While they won't talk about a specific case, they say they approach each interview in the same way. Make a child feel comfortable in a non-threatening environment. Police are in the next room listening and can prompt the interviewer to ask about certain things.

by Brian Foster - KMBC.com 4:08 PM


Read more: http://livewire.kmbc.com/Event/Live_Blog_Amber_Alert_Issued_For_Missing_10-Month-Old#ixzz1bvCe9ErL

 

[Just K]

In many families where there is trauma, abuse and/or neglect, it can take months before a child will ever reveal anything that would cast their parent in a bad light. It is very difficult for young children to tell others about things that may be going on in their families. I highly doubt that the boys will say anything incriminating. It will be up to the counselors to ask very generic and open questions.

 

[Cazzie]

On the flip side, the boys are being excluded completely from anything related to this case. I suspect this in itself would cause anxiety, thus the one child having 'knots in his throat'. A week ago, Deborah said she hadn't even talked to the boys about it. That's not healthy! Being left out of any communication about this crisis in their own family, especially when they know they have a story to tell, must be very difficult for them. You know, kids have thoughts, and often hold in their thoughts and emotions. But this is a situation where they need to release whatever it is they have to say about that night, whether major or minor. Otherwise it will eat them up if they have no release.

I just hope Deborah hasn't been coaching them on a story to tell. I feel so sorry for those boys.

I'm really troubled by DB's quote (from MSM, link posted somewhere here) that regarding the boys "hearing noises", she said that she doesn't know if it was before or after they all went to sleep.

Really? She still hadn't asked them about it and reassured them? Has JI?

It reminds me of how she also said (MSM link somewhere here) that she hasn't "compared notes" with the drinking buddy neighbor who was there with their child that evening (several hours before Lisa disappeared).

Who wouldn't "compare notes" with *everyone* who had been in/near the house on the day (at least!) leading up to their baby's disappearance?

JMO but I don't believe her. Those statements make me think that she has coached the boys, and has "compared notes" (which could really mean "synchronized stories") with at least one person, maybe more. JMO. If nothing worse, to hide something that might not have anything to do with Lisa's disappearance (which would be none of us beeswax, of course). JMO.

 

[linda505]

I hope that whoever talks to these boys can get them some help also. Imagine if they don't know anything except that someone took their baby sister. They must be terrified thinking that someone might take them. Or imagine that they know what happened and what they know means that they are going to lose not only their baby sister but one or both parents or imagine that they saw/interacted with someone taking Lisa who threatend them with the "don't say anything or I am coming for you or your parents". No matter what the circumstances - these boys need help - they need to talk to someone.

 

[Just K]

There is no 'legal' bedtime that I am aware of.

I only mentioned that as it is yet another red flag representative of the idea that the kids may have been neglected.

It is never just one thing that makes a case for neglect or abuse. It is the combined ingredients that make the complete recipe. Keeping those kids up until 10:30 PM on a school night is just one ingredient, choosing to participate in "adult time," in order to get drunk (Mom reports) while taking prescription drugs and while being the sole caretaker, as opposed to waiting for a more responsible time to take your adult break, is just another ingredient toward the overall recipe for, in this case, neglect. Which may or may not be the reason or cause for Baby Lisa being missing.

Most people here know the point I was trying to make and realize that when taken out of context mentioning just the bedtime would be absurd. However, when seeing the forest for the trees, it is just another piece of the puzzle.

 

[frankie069]

I personally think it will be good for the boys to talk about this with a specialist as they will be on Friday. who knows how traumatized they are and they might want to talk. Dont forget, this will be someone trained in dealing with children in all aspects of crime. From abuse to murder and everything in between. Their job is not to harass these children, their job is to find out what they know and if they saw or heard anything and they do it in the kindest ways. I have no worry for these innocent boys, I think they will be treated with the respect that they should. It might be that one or both of them want to speak about it as well. We never know. They could know nothing or hold a wealth of information.

I know also the question keeps being asked on why they have to submit DNA, its to not rule them out, but its because they live in the house, they need to exclude them.. The same reasons why all the CSI workers have their DNA on file, so they can be excluded when the possibly touch something. Neither of these children did anything wrong. I believe that with all of my heart. I know that some have said what if DB or JI are protecting their sons because one of them might have done it by accident. Well even if that were the case, you call the police and tell them, it would have been just that an accident, or in most cases a parent trying to protect her children will take the blame herself. They dont run and hide and lie and change time lines. LE will treat these kids just fine..

 

[MsFacetious]

Okay wait... I must be missing something.

A neighbor says lights are off at 10:30 or 11:30pm... (which is a reasonable time for people to be in bed...) and to the neighbor that means they cannot go over there.

So this means the neighbor set up a system with DB to know when they can come over?
Because they believe they shouldn't go over if the lights are off after 10:30pm?

It doesn't mean the person thinks "They went to bed, it's late, I shouldn't go over."

It doesn't mean the person thinks, "DB tries to be in bed by 10:30pm, she's asked me not to come over after that if the lights are off."

It automatically means they have a system set up to hide something from her husband?

I am far more sneaky than I thought!
People are not allowed to call me after 2am unless it's an emergency. I TRY to be in bed by 2am.
Calling the house phone, 10pm.
Coming over to the house, 9pm.

I do not call anyone with kids after 8pm, without kids after 9pm. Period.
We don't have a "system"... I just have the common sense to know that people have nightly routines and bedtimes.

I must be missing something. I'm just not diabolical enough I guess. :waitasec:

The neighbor across the street reported that the lights were out at 11:30 when the neighbor went to bed , because the neighbor then knew he/she could not go over to the house. This was reported on Judge Pirro and Megyn Kelly (see below).

Now, I have another link from Dr. Drew that talks about the neighbor confirming the 10:30 lights off, but maybe not the same neighbor.
http://drdrew.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/19/baby-lisa-case-what-about-the-neighbors/?iref=obinsite

Then there's Arkansassy at Hinkymeter:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/phpbb/...sts&keywords=neighbor&t=1387&sf=msgonly&ch=-1

There's also this citing Judge Pirro on Hinky Meter, Lash wrote on Oct. 25:
On JJP show this past Saturday it came out the neighbors have a light signal with the Irwin home. Then today PI from NY said on FOX with Megyn Kelly that the Deborah's neighbor went to bed at 11:30 and the neighbor can say the lights were off at the Irwin home.

 

[not_my_kids]

Why is this news? Don't get me wrong, it's newsworthy. But why is it news? Did LE release this little tidbit or did the family? Either way, shame on whoever did it. The other kids need to be protected, and that means that even if they are re-questioned, what gives us, the public, the right to know about it? They are still kids, and they still deserve some anonymity, including in regards to what LE is doing with them. MOO.