Bosma Murder Trial 05.17.16 - Day 50

[Typhoo1961]

Ugh I would not want to be looking for the gun being a regular person. No way I'd want to get dragged into this circus. Let sleeping dogs lie. IMO

What circus? If anyone with a metal detector found a gun all they need to do is hand it into the police and show them where they found it. They do it all the time.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Yep, we are seeing the MS who allegedly physically abused MM and wanted her to be a stripper...so that he could financially benefit from her earnings. I don't know if he pulled the trigger in this case but we shouldn't forget that he isn't some lovable scamp dodging big bad DM's lawyers. IMO.

I agree completely. Even if he's a different person today (and I believe he is), he was a genuine creep back then. Even he admits it, in a round-a-bout way by admitting he didn't respect MM like he should have.

 

[meterclicks]

Smich says he never felt threatened by Millard until May 6.
by Adam Carter 2:07 PM

Smich agrees that Millard would "occasionally" pay for food and cigarettes. He also worked for Millard.
by Adam Carter 2:09 PM

Smich stayed at some of Millard's properties and didn't pay rent, he says.
by Adam Carter 2:09 PM

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Jury back in. Smich is talking about his BlackBerry. Last text sent in January 2013, according to Sachak...

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
#Bosma jury is back, and Smich on the stand

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 4m4 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak starts up by talking about the mobile phones again. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Sachak asks about the blackberry, if it was an old phone. Smich says they were all old phone. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Meneses sometimes used it, he agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Sachak suggests the last text on that phone was in Jan 19 2013. Last call was from Jan 19 2013. Smich agrees sounds right, not sure. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
So it was not active in May 2013, he agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Sachak asks now about his relationship with Dellen Millard. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Sachak says now he wants to explore the relationship between Smich and Millard. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Smich agrees Dellen was like family. Again, he invited Dellen and Christina to his family's Christmas dinner. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
He agrees Dellen was kind, polite, helpful to him "for the most part." #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
He agrees Dellen was kind, polite, helpful to him "for the most part." #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Smich says he was helpful to him as well. And says some things Millard offered to help him with never ended up happening. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
"Some things he said he would help me with never ended up happening," Smich says. #TimBosma #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Smich 'We were close friends near the time of the events' he says of Millard. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Smich 'Millard would assault his dog, Pedo, when he peed or poohed in his bed' #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Smich says Millard would assault his Dog, "Pedo" if he peed or pooped in his bed. There is a murmur in the courtroom. #TimBosma #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

Smich says in return, he worked for Millard. Smich agrees he wasn't forced to work for Millard.
by Adam Carter 2:10 PM

Smich agrees that Millard also gave him advice in regards to the shoulder injury Smich had.
by Adam Carter 2:11 PM

Smich says he could answer more exactly if his memory was refreshed through texts. Sachak says he won't do that.
by Adam Carter 2:11 PM

 

[meterclicks]

Smich says his shoulder was bothering him for a few years before May 6, 2013.
by Adam Carter 2:12 PM

Smich says it was an "ongoing problem."
by Adam Carter 2:13 PM

Smich never had an operation before May 6. His shoulder would dislocate.
by Adam Carter 2:13 PM

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Justice Goodman tells the jury to disregard that. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak: Dellen never threatened you? Smich: I never felt threatened before that day... we got along pretty good. #Bosma #HamOnt

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak says again Millard never assaulted or threatened him. Smich agrees "we got along pretty good." #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Smich agrees he lived at times at Millard's properties and did odd jobs for him. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
He agrees Millard would occasionally give him money, pay for stuff. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak: Dellen paid for pizza? Smich: Yeah, and he'd eat the pizza. #Bosma #HamOnt

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Smich agrees that Millard would "occasionally" pay for food and cigarettes. He also worked for Millard. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Smich says sometimes if they went out he'd also pay. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Marlena also stayed at Millard's homes, and they never paid rent. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Marlena also stayed at Maplegate and Riverside. Never paid rent. Smich says it was in exchange for the work he did for Dellen. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
"This was the nature of the friendship," Sachak suggests. Smich agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Sachak says he was never forced to work for Dellen. Smich agrees. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Smich says in return, he worked for Millard. Smich agrees he wasn't forced to work for Millard. #TimBosma #Bosma

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 2m2 minutes ago
Millard's lawyer - questions about how MIllard helped him, work, food, lodging. Smich agrees he wasn't forced or threatened #Bosma @CTVNews

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Millard gave Smich advice about his shoulder injury. Smich doesn't recall exact words but agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Smich says if Sachak would be "so kind" as to show him texts he could agree. Sachak says he's not showing him anything. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says he could answer more exactly if his memory was refreshed through texts. Sachak says he won't do that. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak listing pieces of advice Millard gave him re: shoulder injury. Asks for how long he had the injury. Smich says years. #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

Smich says he didn't get any treatment for his shoulder before May 6, 2013.
by Adam Carter 2:14 PM

"Fair to say Dellen was the richest friend you had in your life?" Sachak says. "One of them," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 2:15 PM

Smich agrees Millard was the only friend he had who owned planes and helicopters.
by Adam Carter 2:16 PM

 

[Kamille]

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Smich had his shoulder injury "over a few years." Thinks it happened after he met Dellen. #bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
He thinks the shoulder injury came after meeting Dellen Millard, but isn't sure. It was his left shoulder. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says his shoulder was bothering him for a few years before May 6, 2013. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Smich says the first time he went to get it checked out it had popped back into place so they told him things were fine.

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
And then it became a problem again after that. This would've been years before May 2013, he says. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak asks if he ever had it operated on before May 6, 2013. Smich says no. It'd be Ok for a while and then get bad again. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
He did not go for any therapy or treatment for his shoulder, he says. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak asks if he'd been prescribed any medication for it. Not that he can recall. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
He asks if any medical specialist or naturopath gave him any treatment for it. He says no. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak suggests Dellen Millard was "the richest friend you ever had in your life." #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak: Fair to say, Millard was your richest friend? Smich: One of them #Bosma #HamOnt

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak: Your only friend that had a hangar? Smich: Yes #Bosma #HamOnt

 

[brightii]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 3m3 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Smich 'Millard would assault his dog, Pedo, when he peed or poohed in his bed' #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Smich says Millard would assault his Dog, "Pedo" if he peed or pooped in his bed. There is a murmur in the courtroom. #TimBosma #Bosma

DM showed cruelty to animals? His own beloved Pedo? If true, it's consistent with DM as a psychopath, but if not true, maybe MS just knows how damaging such an allegation would be to DM? The allegation caused a reaction in the courtroom, IMO. Calculated move by MS?

All MOO.

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak suggests not many have an air hangar. Only friend he had who owned a helicopter, planes. Smich agrees. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Smich agrees Millard was the only friend he had who owned planes and helicopters. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 44s44 seconds ago
Smich is helping Sachak remember all the properties Millard had. Millard had more cars than anyone Smich knew.

***Um...no...Dellen Millard's father and grandfather had more cars than anyone Smich ever knew.

 

[Kamille]

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 2m2 minutes ago
MIllard's lawyer asking Smich "How Dell richest friend"... he had 2-planes, hangar, multiple properties, flew in helicopter #Bosma @CTVNews

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago View translation
Sachak listing off Dellen's travels, vacations etc. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich says he knows he went to Turkey and Mexico and that's all he really knows other than what he learned in court. #Bosma

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 58s59 seconds ago
Millard's lawyer follows up the questions about being rich with "Let's leave his debts aside for the time being..." #Bosma @CTVNews

***What? Leave debts aside? SMH

 

[meterclicks]

Smich agrees Millard had more cars than anyone else he knew, too.
by Adam Carter 2:18 PM

Sachak refers to the Mapalegate as a "swag house." Smich says it was a bungalow with a pool in the back, that's about it.
by Adam Carter 2:19 PM

"Dell wanted to steal a truck," Sachak says. "That's correct," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 2:20 PM

Smich agrees Millard wanted to steal a Diesel Dodge Ram.
by Adam Carter 2:20 PM

 

[Inspector_North]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak suggests not many have an air hangar. Only friend he had who owned a helicopter, planes. Smich agrees. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Smich agrees Millard was the only friend he had who owned planes and helicopters. #TimBosma #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 44s44 seconds ago
Smich is helping Sachak remember all the properties Millard had. Millard had more cars than anyone Smich knew.

***Um...no...Dellen Millard's father and grandfather had more cars than anyone Smich ever knew.

Along with doing real work
Inventing useful things.
Hiring people with real pay, not just food and roof.
etc.

MOO

 

[meterclicks]

Smich agrees Millard wanted the truck to go to the Baja race.
by Adam Carter 2:21 PM

"You described you guys would go and do surveillance in an area to determine whether or not to steal the truck," Sachak says. Smich agrees.
by Adam Carter 2:22 PM

"The reason to scope is to make sure this is an area you can effectively steal a truck from," Sachak says. Smich agrees, to see if it's possible to do.
by Adam Carter 2:23 PM

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak suggests Maplegate was a "swag" house. Smich says it was a bungalow with a nice pool in the back. Says Riverside was nicer. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Smich adds that he forgot Millard's farm property. Sachak calls Maplegate house "swag." Smich says it was ok. Riverside nicer. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak says Dell wanted to steal a truck, no secret, very clear. "It's very clear," Smich says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 54s55 seconds ago
A diesel Dodge Ram truck. "That was the plan," Smich agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 28s29 seconds ago
Sachak says Millard wanted this truck so he could use it, take it to Baja. "That was his plan," Smich says. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
"Dell wanted to steal a truck," Sachak says. "That's correct," Smich says. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 51s52 seconds ago
Sachak says Millard wanted to tow a trailer to Mexico. Smich agrees. #Bosma

***Probably a stolen trailer. Pfft

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak: It was Dell's plan to steal a truck, a diesel Dodge. Smich: That was his plan, yes. #Bosma #HamOnt

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak says Smich has described the methodology of their "scoping" to determine whether or not to steal a truck. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"He wants a truck to use a truck," Sachak says. Smich agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak suggests Smich had been helping him for a year in this plan. He agrees. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
"You described you guys would go and do surveillance in an area to determine whether or not to steal the truck," Sachak says. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak says he wants him to elaborate on the methodology. Scoping, to make sure it was an area they could steal from. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 56s56 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Sachak: The goal, to steal without getting caught? Smich: Yes. #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

Sachak says they considered numerous factors: if the truck was in a busy area, the movement of the truck, etc. Smich agrees.
by Adam Carter 2:24 PM



All yours CJPRINCESS - Thanks! If you need me to take over again, let me know.

http://live.cbc.ca/Event/The_Time_Bosma_trial_May_17

 

[Kamille]

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Sachak saying repeatedly he accepts Smich's answer that this was Dell's plan. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
"The reason to scope is to make sure this is an area you can effectively steal a truck from," Sachak says. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich says the details of the plan shifted over the course of the year. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Sachak says they considered numerous factors: if the truck was in a busy area, the movement of the truck, etc. Smich agrees. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Sachak listing off the factors they were considering -- location of it, the movement of it etc. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 53s54 seconds ago
Sachak suggests cameras was one factor they considered. Smich agrees "you'd want to know where they are." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 39s40 seconds ago
"Let's be realistic you're not going to go in front of a camera, do a dance," Sachak says. Smich agrees "that wold not be the plan." #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 33s34 seconds ago
Sachak says the plan definitely was that after they scope it, they'd return on another day or late at night to steal it. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Whether a truck is inside or outside would also be a factor, Smich agrees. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Considered if truck was parked outdoors or indoors. "That would be a big difference," agrees Smich. All things he and Dell scoped. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
Smich agrees the plan was supposed to be they'd scope out a truck, then come back later at night to steal it if it worked. #TimBosma #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Plan was after scoping, would return another day or at night to steal the truck? Smich says plan was to come back later.

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich agrees plan was to come back later, but says timing would depend on factors. #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 56s56 seconds ago
Sachak suggests there were variables. "Yes variables that was the word I was looking for," Smich says. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 56s57 seconds ago
"Ultimately, you look at all these variables and say, 'what's the safest way of doing this without being caught,'" Sachak says. #Bosma

Adam CarterVerified account ‏@AdamCarterCBC 55s56 seconds ago
"That was supposed to be the plan," Smich says. #TImBosma #Bosma

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 47s48 seconds ago
Avoiding witnesses, Smich agrees would be a variable. #Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Have to consider many variables, says Smich. Want to avoid witnesses, not leave trail of evidence. All part of Dell's plan. #Bosma

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 57s58 seconds ago
Millard's lawyer "All this is Dell's plan?" Smich "That's correct." #Bosma @CTVNews

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Sachak says they considered numerous factors: if the truck was in a busy area, the movement of the truck, etc. Smich agrees.
by Adam Carter 2:24 PM



All yours CJPRINCESS - Thanks! If you need me to take over again, let me know.

http://live.cbc.ca/Event/The_Time_Bosma_trial_May_17

Im having technical difficulties with phone. Keeps whiting out the text box as I try to copy from blog.