Brandon Scott Lavergne - Guilty Plea and LWOP

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if there was semen on her body would forensics be able to determine that now? If they could and did find it would le be likely to say the plea does not stand?

i read several times that her body was badly decomposed, so i do not know. It was never said if her body was clad or unclad either.
Seems as tho bsl's testimony of the events is being accepted without any further ado. I hope she was clad and she wasn't raped but it just seems doubtful knowing the way bsl lies / portrays things in his mind. Sicko, not to be trusted / believed.
Did anyone else find it odd that rape was never mentioned / admitted in the case of either victim ??
 
He asked for advice because his SIL was dating a tier 3 RSO on May 26th. The family had confronted the SIL on the 25th. In this post he had not yet realized that BSL's truck was the truck.

ETA, IIRC, it was the beginning of June when he contacted LE because that was when he saw the temporary tag in the window of the new truck. Remember, BSL bought the new truck around June 4th.

Thanks jujube... So, when he noticed the tag he put it together, and was obviously aware of Mickey's case. Did le follow up with him? Because I thought they learned of him on June 14th from the lady at the dealership...
 
Someone was wondering earlier why, after resorting to the gun, BSL would not have still left Mickey in the cane field, if that was truly his original plan.

I just had a thought -- maybe he feared someone had heard the gunshot and would come to investigate. I guess it was the middle of the night and probably quite a remote spot, but ... maybe.

.....or he wanted her buried but after being attacked again he could not manage it. Mickey was eventually left at the cemetary (probably less open than a cane field) but he still went back again to bury her. I don't think he wanted her found at all
 
I understand the reluctance to trust BSL's version.

I'm going to say that I believe most of it though.

Regarding the gunshot, if she stabbed him right away on St. Landry, and then he stabbed her, then I don't know why, if she was already dead, or so he thought, he would drive out into to the cane field to shoot her in revenge, then leave with her body. He went to the cane field with some purpose in mind. But then he didn't leave her there. If he would be worried about a bullet being traced to his gun, he wouldn't have wasted time going there if he shot her during the initial bump and grab - he would have headed home to tend his wounds and regroup, with her still in the truck. And I don't think he shot her on St. Landry during the initial altercation. There are enough houses close enough, including frat row, and you know some Greeks were still awake at 2 a.m on Saturday morning, that someone would probably have heard a gunshot.

I think precipitating point was Mickey calling for help. BSL said he threatened her with a knife. I see no reason to disbelieve him, because it doesn't help him to lie about this particular thing. I would then think that she Maced him very soon after that. If she called 911 on the street, then she maced him and grabbed the knife and stabbed him right there on St. Landry, then he stabbed her and threw her in the truck. If he was stabbing her outside the truck, though, I do think she would have screamed, and there would have been blood evidence on the asphalt. Someone possibly would have heard her from one of the houses, as they are not as far away as it seems. Instead, I feel she tried to call for help once he headed north out of the area, instead of taking her to the hospital or taking her home. She may have even given him her home address and thought he was taking her there.

Yes, her mom said she wouldn't have gotten in the truck. but that's not 100%, IMO. He likely tried to act like he bumped her on accident... then once it was seen that the bike wouldn't roll, the logical question is, "where are you headed?" She says, "home." He says "where," She says near Congress and Ambassador. He says he'll take her home. It's late - she feels sick - she doesn't want to wait on the street all alone waiting for friend or family to come get here - and he acts very charming - and does get her in the truck without a fight. It's when she realizes that he's not taking her home that it hits the fan.

Given BSL's multiple wounds, I said it awhile back, and will repeat, that the varied locations tell me that they were in close quarters, where he didn't have the maneuvering space to avoid her attacks. This really does sound like inside the truck. She would have had several slashes at him as he squirmed behind the wheel to avoid the blade while being Maced and trying not to crash.

At that point, IMO, rape is no longer on the table. He hurt bad - there's blood in his truck, his plan's blown, she's badly or mortally wounded, and so now it's no longer about sex; he's in a life-or-death MESS. I'm not going to opine that sex was on his mind anymore, from a badly stabbed victim.

When he went to check for a pulse, he may have had his own pulse pounding so bad, he couldn't feel hers - especially if he used his thumb, which has its own pulse. Plus, if she had blood loss, and certainly was in shock, her pulse could have been very weak and thready. AND - if she kept her wits about her - she meditated and went to her happy place and started thinking really hard and slowed her breathing down to almost nothing. If she had spiritual reserves and an iron will, I can see her playing possum and fooling him, in his pain, rage and panic.

So he gets into the cane field - she's still alive, though injured - how bad is anyone's guess - and when he hears him get out of the truck to come around to her door, she opens her eyes, the knife is on the seat, and she makes her last, valiant stand. He opens the door and she "jumps up" off the seat (I think this wording is key). She stabs him - he staggers back totally freaked out because he thought she was dead - he nearly craps his pants from the horror-movie shock -- she comes at him again - he stumbles back - no knife in his own hand - and reaches into his shoulder holster or the small of his back for his gun and fires because she's about to stab him again.

Due to the sound of the gunshot, now he's afraid someone will have heard and maybe a cop will swing by and investigate - so now he can't leave the body because they will be hot on his heels if they find it.....

So he throws her back in the truck and hauls butt out of there - thinks of where he can go now.... and thinks of Pinseclair cemetery... goes straight there.

Anyway, I'm tired and my mind is mud.

But myself, I believe Brandon told it pretty straight, for one reason especially: I think the cops put the fear of God into him that if he lied about one thing in the confession, they were going to make sure he got the needle.

This all leads me one place:

Mickey fought, and fought, and fought, and never gave up, put a whupping on him, and at the end surprised him so badly that he will never be able to erase the image from his mind.

This is where Mrs. Shunick and I concur: That last image of a seemingly dead Mickey springing up and stabbing him will turn his guts to water for the rest of his life.

You sound pretty right on. And I agree with you...those cops probably got the truth out of him!
 
Kudos to you Wondergirl! :rocker:

I was just curious as to what was going on in the world at that time. So I googled, lol.*

But you, you followed through and asked the question.

I pray that the same self-preserving fear that brought Mickey home, might make a difference for Ali.

:yourock:bvx

That was some fine :detective: from both of you. You'd make a good team.

:toast: :websleuther: :toast:
 
Thanks jujube... So, when he noticed the tag he put it together, and was obviously aware of Mickey's case. Did le follow up with him? Because I thought they learned of him on June 14th from the lady at the dealership...

You're welcome.
IIRC, AD called LE a few times. It may be that once LE heard from the saleswoman they put more stock in AD's calls or may be they had begun to take AD seriously and then the saleswoman's call cinched it for them. I'm not sure.
 
bottom line,

this brave young lady took down a serial killer.

I agree with some comments I have read:

I think it would be inspiring and appropriate for a life-size or half-size bronze sculpture of Mickey on her bike to be mounted in a city park. It would be a reminder to our local girls to watch out, to be strong, and also a tribute to the most heartfelt community effort I ever saw in Lafayette.
 
I'll be interested to see the progress of this: ADA Stutes was quoted in this morning's TDA as saying "evidence found in (BSL's) house may lead to other investigations".

Surely it has to do with the reported multiple IDs found there, but what else? Photos? Clothing? Video evidence?

As soon as I heard that he had taken pics of his wounds, I had a strong feeling that he probably also had pics of his victims, and possibly even some pics taken after he had done whatever he did to them. I have absolutely nothing to base the feeling on. It is just a gut feeling that I will most likely have until I hear from LE that no such pictures were found. JMO
 
i read several times that her body was badly decomposed, so i do not know. It was never said if her body was clad or unclad either.
Seems as tho bsl's testimony of the events is being accepted without any further ado. I hope she was clad and she wasn't raped but it just seems doubtful knowing the way bsl lies / portrays things in his mind. Sicko, not to be trusted / believed.
Did anyone else find it odd that rape was never mentioned / admitted in the case of either victim ??

I tend to agree with chicken fried's assessment a few posts back that BSL was likely pretty truthful in what he told LE, if for no other reason than that he understood (one hopes, from explanations from LE and his own attorneys) that the deal for LWOP rather than DP would be invalidated if his story did not match the evidence.

Here's what I'm thinking may explain some of the gaps/omissions: What we are sometimes calling the "confession" is a legal document, right? One that states information about how the crimes occurred. We don't have a verbatim "transcript" of everything BSL said to LE about how things happened. If we did, we would, IMO, know a lot more.

I'm almost sure that LE would have pressed Brandon for information about sexual motive and sexual assault, if he didn't volunteer any information about those. It may be that any details revealed in that area were left out of the document we are seeing because (a) they weren't necessary to "prove" the charges with which BSL was charged (kidnapping and murder) and (b) the document is one that would be public record -- those details, since not necessary for the proceedings at hand, might have been deemed too sensitive, for Mickey's (and Lisa's) sake, to broadcast.

I hope that any further information has been made available to the families, if they care to know it.
 
As soon as I heard that he had taken pics of his wounds, I had a strong feeling that he probably also had pics of his victims, and possibly even some pics taken after he had done whatever he did to them. I have absolutely nothing to base the feeling on. It is just a gut feeling that I will most likely have until I hear from LE that no such pictures were found. JMO

And don't forget the pictures of his burning truck! The guy's a regular shutterbug.

Bet he's kicking himself 'bout now.
 
As soon as I heard that he had taken pics of his wounds, I had a strong feeling that he probably also had pics of his victims, and possibly even some pics taken after he had done whatever he did to them. I have absolutely nothing to base the feeling on. It is just a gut feeling that I will most likely have until I hear from LE that no such pictures were found. JMO

I share that gut feeling with you. I hope they've given his computer a full cavity search, especially the web history. There's a dark, seedy underbelly of the internet, referred to in some circles as "darknet", where sick, twisted, evil stuff is traded by sick, twisted, evil people. Serial rapists and child pornographers have been taken off the streets once their handiwork has been discovered on these ghost sites.
 
And don't forget the pictures of his burning truck! The guy's a regular shutterbug.

Bet he's kicking himself 'bout now.

Did he take pics of the truck burning?? I know garryb mentioned pics of the truck, but I was thinking it was pics taken (maybe by LE) after the truck burned.
 
chicken fried: Since you are back: Did you see my question to you about the location of The Advertiser camera?

ETA: dang, he's gone again ...
 
I tend to agree with chicken fried's assessment a few posts back that BSL was likely pretty truthful in what he told LE, if for no other reason than that he understood (one hopes, from explanations from LE and his own attorneys) that the deal for LWOP rather than DP would be invalidated if his story did not match the evidence.

Here's what I'm thinking may explain some of the gaps/omissions: What we are sometimes calling the "confession" is a legal document, right? One that states information about how the crimes occurred. We don't have a verbatim "transcript" of everything BSL said to LE about how things happened. If we did, we would, IMO, know a lot more.

I'm almost sure that LE would have pressed Brandon for information about sexual motive and sexual assault, if he didn't volunteer any information about those. It may be that any details revealed in that area were left out of the document we are seeing because (a) they weren't necessary to "prove" the charges with which BSL was charged (kidnapping and murder) and (b) the document is one that would be public record -- those details, since not necessary for the proceedings at hand, might have been deemed too sensitive, for Mickey's (and Lisa's) sake, to broadcast.

I hope that any further information has been made available to the families, if they care to know it.
I agree with most of your post, but I think the sexual assault would be included in the record because it's an aggravating factor...
 
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Not sure of the original source, but it's floating around on FB right now.
 
Thanks jujube... So, when he noticed the tag he put it together, and was obviously aware of Mickey's case. Did le follow up with him? Because I thought they learned of him on June 14th from the lady at the dealership...

I'll be interested to see the progress of this: ADA Stutes was quoted in this morning's TDA as saying "evidence found in (BSL's) house may lead to other investigations".

Surely it has to do with the reported multiple IDs found there, but what else? Photos? Clothing? Video evidence?

Whom?
Can we find out?
 
LOL...Excuse the OT, but a trip with beer and alligators just made me laugh out loud. Talk about trouble waiting to happen...I can see me now, after a few beers..."here gator, gator."

Thank goodness there's a limited supply on the boat. There looked to be enough for each adult to have 2 light beers. I was so nervous that the lady on the ground with them was going to be devoured, that I had my 2 beers. I was stressed out for that part of the experience. They do a good job of entertaining and educating - balancing act. The swamp itself and it's isolation and quietness is breathtaking. It's so much cooler temperature wise too. Anyone who visits should be sure to take a good swamp tour. I loved it and I was born and raised on the bayou (in my backyard), but still found the tour special and eye opening.
 
I agree with most of your post, but I think the sexual assault would be included in the record because it's an aggravating factor...

Could be, I guess, that it's in other paperwork that puts it in the whole record, (and that paperwork might be public record, if one cared to pursue it) but was left out (for sensitivity issues) of that "main" document because it was a given that that document would receive such wide broadcast.
 
I tend to agree with chicken fried's assessment a few posts back that BSL was likely pretty truthful in what he told LE, if for no other reason than that he understood (one hopes, from explanations from LE and his own attorneys) that the deal for LWOP rather than DP would be invalidated if his story did not match the evidence.

Here's what I'm thinking may explain some of the gaps/omissions: What we are sometimes calling the "confession" is a legal document, right? One that states information about how the crimes occurred. We don't have a verbatim "transcript" of everything BSL said to LE about how things happened. If we did, we would, IMO, know a lot more.

I'm almost sure that LE would have pressed Brandon for information about sexual motive and sexual assault, if he didn't volunteer any information about those. It may be that any details revealed in that area were left out of the document we are seeing because (a) they weren't necessary to "prove" the charges with which BSL was charged (kidnapping and murder) and (b) the document is one that would be public record -- those details, since not necessary for the proceedings at hand, might have been deemed too sensitive, for Mickey's (and Lisa's) sake, to broadcast.

I hope that any further information has been made available to the families, if they care to know it.

I'm not sure where I stand, or what I believe, about BSL's "confession". I'm not really sure that I want to know the "real" truth, if there's more. I feel that Mickey's legacy is more important than anything BSL could say. I do believe she fought hard and that's what I choose to take away from this situation.

For a lot of reasons I don't believe the statement when it comes to Lisa. I can read a lot of things into the wording of the document. I don't think we can ever know. I posted some of my reasons on Lisa's thread.

I just hope for closure for the families and pray peace and comfort to them.
 
I'm not sure where I stand, or what I believe, about BSL's "confession". I'm not really sure that I want to know the "real" truth, if there's more. I feel that Mickey's legacy is more important than anything BSL could say. I do believe she fought hard and that's what I choose to take away from this situation.

For a lot of reasons I don't believe the statement when it comes to Lisa. I can read a lot of things into the wording of the document. I don't think we can ever know. I posted some of my reasons on Lisa's thread.

I just hope for closure for the families and pray peace and comfort to them.


bbm #1: me too -- I'm still puzzling on that one

bbm #2: me too, again -- no puzzling on that one
 
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