CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #3

[kiwilaura]

This case is all over the news here in NZ but lacking some detail I’m getting from here.

I’m wondering if LT has gone through menopause or started the process. This might explain the rapid escalation of abuse? Her hormones, combined with the realisation there are no more babies, might have been catalyst to escalating behaviour. I also wonder if it could have made her suicidal and she had plans to end all their lives?

I also feel her and DT had a sick, obsessive relationship and the children got in the way of that. I can’t get passed how they looked at each other at the weddings. It was creepy and over the top for the length of marriage. I feel like perhaps the hatred of the children stemmed from the disruption to their relationship? Possibly she also craved the feeling of someone depending on her - not only her husband but could also explain why she treated the baby better? I think she’s really sick and DT has been complicit in her sickness.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Rape isn't considered a lewd act under the California penal code. Rape is a different penal code. DT was charged with a lewd act, not rape. If one of the girls was raped, he would have been charged with such. More than likely DT was touching one of the girls (under 14) inappropriately.

It's also been mentioned that none of the girls would have been able to conceive due to their malnutrition. Their bodies were too sick to reach full puberty.

IMO

Regarding malnutrition and pregnancy, you would think a woman's body would be unable to reproduce. However we have seen picture after picture of Biafran's (now Nigerians) and other disadvantaged countries with starving mothers with a baby attempting to suckle. Nature's way of continuing the species I guess.

 

[kiwilaura]

Sorry more thoughts. Possibly the urgency from 17yo was knowing they were in danger. I find it unlikely they were going to abandon the house with the equity they had. Quite possible the 17yo felt they were going to die. Alternatively, the medical professionals said the 29yo was in a particularly bad way. Was she close to death?

I can understand why the other sibling turned back. Perhaps less the fear of the unknown and more the fear of what the monsters would do to her if they failed?

 

[Alethea]

Rape isn't considered a lewd act under the California penal code. Rape is a different penal code. DT was charged with a lewd act, not rape. If one of the girls was raped, he would have been charged with such. More than likely DT was touching one of the girls (under 14) inappropriately.

It's also been mentioned that none of the girls would have been able to conceive due to their malnutrition. Their bodies were too sick to reach full puberty.

IMO

LE did say their investigation was continuing. I'm worried that additional charges will continue to be brought as more children start talking to LE and more tests are run. It's possible that one particularly brave child spoke up about her abuse and the abuse of her siblings, but LE has not spoken to others at length yet. That said, I personally think this baby was LT's, perhaps conceived after miscarriages.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I understand the sentiment, but the kids are likely developmentally delayed, not developmentally disabled.

Understood. This facility just received a Jefferson award, and that's what led me to it. I think it would be a good start at a transition. They could start recovering, and part of their recovery could be helping those with less mental capacity than themselves. I think it might be a great tonic for them. The environment is superb.

 

[kiwilaura]

There is a photo of them before the youngest was born. It’s take at night and they all have blue jeans and red tops. Does someone have a copy of this? I feel like perhaps LT is pregnant in that photo. Thoughts?

 

[bears10]

I think it's very easy to blame homeschooling but if any single person who ever saw any of the kids, any relative who saw these photos on facebook 8 years ago, any family member who wasn't allowed to talk to the kids, made one call to a local PD requesting a welfare check on the kids, the police would have shown up at the door and looked inside. If any of the neighbors who saw "vampire children" or nighttime marching called the police, not CPS, the police would have visited and looked inside. If you tell the police you have reason to believe a child is in danger, they will check it out. Trust your gut and if you're wrong you just annoyed someone. If you're right, you may have saved someone's life.

It’s also easy to blame neighbors and family members for not calling authorities. But the fact of the matter is, if the kids went to school every day where there were mandatory reporters, it’s far more likely the victims would have been rescued years ago. Mandatory reporters calling authorities with serious concerns would have a greater impact than a neighbor calling in with a hunch imo.

 

[Leila]

There was an article in today's Daily Mail that the parents had contacted friends in Perris and said they were moving.......evidently didn't say where. According to the article, the move was to be this week. My opinion that if the children knew about the upcoming move, that may have been the deciding factor in the 17-year-old's decision to escape now.

 

[Rocco]

LE did say their investigation was continuing. I'm worried that additional charges will continue to be brought as more children start talking to LE and more tests are run. It's possible that one particularly brave child spoke up about her abuse and the abuse of her siblings, but LE has not spoken to others at length yet. That said, I personally think this baby was LT's, perhaps conceived after miscarriages.

I think the baby was LT's too. They said at the press conference all the children were born in a hospital, not at home (as far as they currently know).

 

[Orville Butch]

It will be very interesting to hear what they were told about the outside world. It's crazy the way they walked in public with a parent in the front and back to literally grab them if they tried to run off. They could have made a concerted effort to make a run for it and scream that their parents were starving them though. One look at them and anyone would believe it. The 29 year old would have had to be starved how far back for her growth to be stunted like that? That's why I'm so skeptical of the police officer who brought her home. Did she tell him her parents weren't feeding her? I did not see the neighbor lady with the parrot say anything about their weight.

 

[rosesfromangels]

There was an article in today's Daily Mail that the parents had contacted friends in Perris and said they were moving.......evidently didn't say where. According to the article, the move was to be this week. My opinion that if the children knew about the upcoming move, that may have been the deciding factor in the 17-year-old's decision to escape now.

I think the 17 year old knew that it was going to be more than a *move*. I think it's possible they were going to shackle them all and leave them there to starve, and they knew it. I have no doubt that little 17 year old saved all their lives.

All amateur speculation and opinion.

 

[ilovepierre]

Regarding malnutrition and pregnancy, you would think a woman's body would be unable to reproduce. However we have seen picture after picture of Biafran's (now Nigerians) and other disadvantaged countries with starving mothers with a baby attempting to suckle. Nature's way of continuing the species I guess.

It depends on how much body fat the woman has.
"If your body is chronically malnourished or overexercised, you can't menstruate, since a minimum of 22 percent body fat is necessary for normal ovulation and reproductive competence."
Above from here: https://www.parents.com/getting-pregnant/fertility/boost/8-surprising-facts-about-fertility/

 

[RickshawFan]

They don't mince words, calling them the evil pair.

"The evil pair were brought into court via a tunnel from the nearby Robert Presley Detention Center where they have been held since being transferred from Perris on Monday morning.

Dressed in shabby black outfits from their civilian wardrobes, both Turpins were shackled for the 20-minute appearance, with David also wearing ankle restraints...

Louise Turpin faces 37 charges while her husband faces 38. They are both charged with the 12 counts of torture, 12 counts of false imprisonment, 7 charges of abusing a dependant adult and six counts of child abuse.*

David is also charged with one count of a lewd act against a child under the age of 14. The alleged victim was one of his daughters.*"

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Might he have acted out aggressively, thus the shackles? What't the tied thing about his beer belly? That doesn't look like a waist chain to me. Is it an electronic zapper?

 

[dizzychick]

One of the children, a 4-year-old girl, was bitten by the family's border collie in 2001 and got stitches at Cook Children's Medical Center in Fort Worth, said Chief Deputy Rick White. The Sheriff's Office determined that the dog wasn't up-to-date on its rabies vaccinations, so it was taken to Cleburne to be euthanized, he said.

Two years later, the Turpins' pigs waddled to a neighbor's property and ate 55 pounds of dog food. White said the family paid for the food, and no charges were filed.



https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cri...iblings-began-fort-worth-area-authorities-say




even the family pigs were abused/neglegted for them to escape and eat 55 pounds of dog food belonging to a neighbor. I wonder what happened to the pigs? Did they slaughter them and eat them in front of their starving children? This situation is so bizarre and cruel beyond belief I just am speechless

 

[bears10]

Might he have acted out aggressively, thus the shackles? What't the tied thing about his beer belly? That doesn't look like a waist chain to me. Is it an electronic zapper?

One of the DMs captions on a pic of the mom said hers were not shown in the pics, insinuating she had shackles as well. So I don’t think it’s bc he acted out. It is probably standard.

 

[Trino]

I'm looking forward to convictions. I'm looking forward to the siblings disappearing from media coverage. I'm looking for an update five years from now showing recovery for all of them - and all of us will gather here to say, "Awesome!"

Looking forward to that day.

jmo

Looking forward to reading the book and hope they make lots of money from it.

 

[Alethea]

It’s also easy to blame neighbors and family members for not calling authorities. But the fact of the matter is, if the kids went to school every day where there were mandatory reporters, it’s far more likely the victims would have been rescued years ago. Mandatory reporters calling authorities with serious concerns would have a greater impact than a neighbor calling in with a hunch imo.

I'm saying, as LE has said in this very case, that people should call in their concerns to LE when they see situations that look like abuse. Mandatory Reporters have a mandatory reporting duty, but that's often through CPS - my mother is a mandatory reporter and in addition to filing her required reports will often make an informal report to a police officer she knows in extreme cases. Calling the police for a welfare check is an immediate step that happens that minute. These abuse cases happen just as often with public and private school children. The responsibility to stop it starts with the parents, continues with the extended family, and extends to the community. No one likes this answer because then we must blame ourselves instead of state agencies, but people make changes, not bureaucracies.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Wouldn’t it be awesome if Elvis could serenade them to prison after they are sentenced???

Jailhouse Rock?

 

[RickshawFan]

Ugh. As horrifying as this all is, I'm finding GREAT comfort in knowing all 13 of them are eating as much as they want, as often as they want, and not a one of them is ever going to have to face that fear of torture again.

I think it's a long while before they can do this, because it would make them very ill. Evidently, that's what happens when you try to refuel a severely malnourished person. I think something was mentioned about this in the presser.

 

[Francesca]

I'll be watching if the lawyers advise him to cut his ugly hair. I know I sound flippant, but I'm serious. That hair is so off-putting that I can picture a lawyer telling a defendant that it has got to go.

jmo

My cynical response is that the lawyer will probably tell him his current haircut is his best defense - anyone with that hairstyle would come across as having mental incompetency issues.
There was a tragic murder case in Australia where the man arrested was in a regular business suit with fairly tidy hair framing a bald spot - by the time he went to trial, his hair was all over the place and his suit was a bit too big for him. He looked like a stereotypical "crazy guy" and the lawyer was hoping this would sway the jury... but it didn't work. Once the trial was over, there were photo comparisons to show how people can be persuaded to think someone is "crazy."