CA CA - Valencia, 2 WhtFems UP4388 & 4389, 17-35, in riverbed near I-5, Jan'80

[SimsGuy67]

I have found a new possible match for UP4388. Good news is that it matches completely with Andria Bailey once again. I had an idea that she might be Marcia Joyce? I found her by looking through a list of women who went missing between 1978 and 1979, around the time Andria did and she does fit.

	Marcia Lynn Joyce MP19747	Valencia Jane Doe UP4388	Possible?
Sex	Female	Likely Female	Likely
Race	White/Caucasian	Likely White/Caucasian	Likely
Age	28	17-35	Match
Height	5'4"	5'4" - 5'7"	Match
Weight	110lbs	120-140lbs	Possible
D.L.C/D.O.D	August 30, 1978	1978-1980	Match
Hair Color	Brown (Hair description says light brown/blond)	Brown (Hair description says BLOND/BROWN).	Match
Eye Color	Blue	Unknown	Possible/Match
Distinctive Features	Unknown/None	Unknown (Skeletal Remains)	Possible/Unknown
Circumstances	Last seen hanging laundry in her backyard.	Found with UP4389	Possible
Distance	Bellingham-Valencia (Spanaway included as you would have to go through there anyways)	1,200 miles (18hr 44min)	Possible

Let me know what you think!
Also I did find another match with Linda Adams but I'm not confident enough in the match to make a full post on it yet. Let me know what you think about that match too!

 

[HmmMysterious]

Haven't been on this thread for a while. What UID do you mean? UP4388 or UP4389? Your text says UP4389 but links to UP4388. It honestly could work for either though.

UP4388

 

[SimsGuy67]

UP4388

I'd submit. Nothing to rule it out other than the eye thing but to be honest I'm not sure how accurate that is...

 

[HmmMysterious]

I'd submit. Nothing to rule it out other than the eye thing but to be honest I'm not sure how accurate that is...

Submitted to DoeNetwork

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I have found a new possible match for UP4388. Good news is that it matches completely with Andria Bailey once again. I had an idea that she might be Marcia Joyce? I found her by looking through a list of women who went missing between 1978 and 1979, around the time Andria did and she does fit.

	Marcia Lynn Joyce MP19747	Valencia Jane Doe UP4388	Possible?
Sex	Female	Likely Female	Likely
Race	White/Caucasian	Likely White/Caucasian	Likely
Age	28	17-35	Match
Height	5'4"	5'4" - 5'7"	Match
Weight	110lbs	120-140lbs	Possible
D.L.C/D.O.D	August 30, 1978	1978-1980	Match
Hair Color	Brown (Hair description says light brown/blond)	Brown (Hair description says BLOND/BROWN).	Match
Eye Color	Blue	Unknown	Possible/Match
Distinctive Features	Unknown/None	Unknown (Skeletal Remains)	Possible/Unknown
Circumstances	Last seen hanging laundry in her backyard.	Found with UP4389	Possible
Distance	Bellingham-Valencia (Spanaway included as you would have to go through there anyways)	1,200 miles (18hr 44min)	Possible

Let me know what you think!
Also I did find another match with Linda Adams but I'm not confident enough in the match to make a full post on it yet. Let me know what you think about that match too!

Interesting possible match for 1367UFCA




Marcia dentals are available for comparison to Valencia Jane Doe dentals.

1490DFWA - Marcia Lynn Joyce

www.doenetwork.org

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I have found a new possible match for UP4388. Good news is that it matches completely with Andria Bailey once again. I had an idea that she might be Marcia Joyce? I found her by looking through a list of women who went missing between 1978 and 1979, around the time Andria did and she does fit.

	Marcia Lynn Joyce MP19747	Valencia Jane Doe UP4388	Possible?
Sex	Female	Likely Female	Likely
Race	White/Caucasian	Likely White/Caucasian	Likely
Age	28	17-35	Match
Height	5'4"	5'4" - 5'7"	Match
Weight	110lbs	120-140lbs	Possible
D.L.C/D.O.D	August 30, 1978	1978-1980	Match
Hair Color	Brown (Hair description says light brown/blond)	Brown (Hair description says BLOND/BROWN).	Match
Eye Color	Blue	Unknown	Possible/Match
Distinctive Features	Unknown/None	Unknown (Skeletal Remains)	Possible/Unknown
Circumstances	Last seen hanging laundry in her backyard.	Found with UP4389	Possible
Distance	Bellingham-Valencia (Spanaway included as you would have to go through there anyways)	1,200 miles (18hr 44min)	Possible

Let me know what you think!
Also I did find another match with Linda Adams but I'm not confident enough in the match to make a full post on it yet. Let me know what you think about that match too!

Here is the thread from Marcia Joyce:

WA - WA - Marcia Joyce, 28, Bellingham, 30 Aug 1978

The Doe Network: Case File 1490DFWA http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1490dfwa.html Marcia Lynn Joyce Missing since August 30, 1978 from Bellingham, Whatcom County, Washington. Classification: Endangered Missing...

www.websleuths.com

 

[SimsGuy67]

Doe Network is looking into the match!

 

[SimsGuy67]

Oh wow. Marcia has already been excluded... didn't think it would happen that fast! Now I wonder if either a new match or Andria and Linda or Patricia and Pamela could be the identities of the Doe's.

What does anyone think of a match between the girls and the Leslie sisters? (Jackie, Cynthia) I know Jackie is too young and PMI is off but I'm just throwing it out there...

 

[John/Jane Doe]

How about Wanda Priddy for UP4389

Priddy's Stats:
5'4"
120 lbs (though NamUs says 90 lbs)
Brown hair

Circumstances: Priddy vanished on August 29, 1978 from Port Lavaca, Texas. She was last seen by her husband at their apartment. Her car was still parked inside.

Here is Wanda Priddy's thread:

TX - TX - Wanda Priddy, 20, Port Lavaca, 29 Aug 1978

Wanda Lee Ann PRIDDY RULED OUT BY DENTALS Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin Missing Person Details Date Picture Updated: 10/11/2001 Additional Pictures Date Picture Updated: 1/15/2002 Photo is shown age progressed< Name: Wanda Lee Ann Priddy AKA: Wanda Lee Ann Miller...

www.websleuths.com

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Oh wow. Marcia has already been excluded... didn't think it would happen that fast! Now I wonder if either a new match or Andria and Linda or Patricia and Pamela could be the identities of the Doe's.

What does anyone think of a match between the girls and the Leslie sisters? (Jackie, Cynthia) I know Jackie is too young and PMI is off but I'm just throwing it out there...

Here are the threads from Linda Adams, Patricia Spencer and Pamela Hobley, and Cynthia & Jackie Leslie:

WA - WA - Linda Adams, 15, Yakima, 1 June 1978

MI - MI - Patricia Spencer, 16, & Pamela Hobley, 15, Oscoda, 31 Oct 1969

AZ - AZ - Cynthia, 15, & Jackie Leslie, 13, Mesa, 31 July 1974

Cynthia Ardina Leslie Missing since July 31, 1974 from Mesa, Maricopa County, Arizona. Classification: Non-Family Abduction Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: February 1, 1959 Age at Time of Disappearance: 15 years old Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6; 110 pounds...

www.websleuths.com

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current NamUs Exclusion List for these 2 Jane Does? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Myrrh]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current NamUs Exclusion List for these 2 Jane Does? I would greatly appreciate it.

The 1st Jane Doe: 7 rule outs per NamUs


The 2nd Jane doe: 4 rule outs per NamUs

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I was looking for possible matches for The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) And I found this missing woman:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)



Do you think it can be a possible match? generally somewhat matches the description of Jane Doe.

 

[SimsGuy67]

I was looking for possible matches for The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) And I found this missing woman:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)



Do you think it can be a possible match? generally somewhat matches the description of Jane Doe.

Possible. I might look for a photo of her as the eyes being at different levels would be a clear factor that she was this Doe.

 

[SimsGuy67]

I was looking for possible matches for The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) And I found this missing woman:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)



Do you think it can be a possible match? generally somewhat matches the description of Jane Doe.

After looking around for info on her I don't think it's even possible. If you look at her thread it seems she fell overboard and likely drowned. The river is most likely the Colorado River based on the coordinates listed as her last known location.

TX - TX - Barbara Ann Fogle, 26, Lake Travis, 12 June 1976

Barbara Ann Fogle Age last seen: 26 Race: White female Hair color: Blond strawberry Eyes Color: Blue Height: 64.0 Weight: 135.0 Clothing/Scars and Marks: White shirt and jeans Circumstances: was last seen on June 12, 1976 Namus https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/40211/18

www.websleuths.com

 

[SimsGuy67]

I decided to refresh my memory and came up with 2 matches, both from California.

Out of both matches Lisa Sprague fits UP4389 most. Very, very similar bone structure and the nose is quite close too. To be clear, this is just my opinion.

Removing the 4th "Possible?" row. I want to try and remove all bias from my matches so it is easier to make your own decision.

	Lisa Rene Sprague MP61421	Valencia Jane Doe (1980) UP4389
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	17	17 -2 4
Height	5'10	5'5 - 5'9
Weight	130 - 155lbs	115 - 130lbs
Hair Color	Brown	Unknown
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
Distinctive Features	None/Unknown	None/Unknown
DLC/DOD	Fall 1978	1979 - 1980
Circumstances	Last seen in Fall 1978.	Found with UP4388
Distance	Ventura - Valencia	47.9 miles (52mins)

Here is Lisa's thread:

CA - CA - Lisa Rene Sprague, 17, Ventura, 1 Sept 1978

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Lisa Rene Sprague Female White / Caucasian Date of Last Contact: September 1, 1978 Missing From: Ventura, California Missing Age: 17 Years Current Age: 59 Years Case Information Demographics Missing Age: 17 Years Current...

www.websleuths.com

Cheryl Wyant fits the bill for UP4388 well too other than the age but I noted Cheryl looks very old for her age. I know we are working with skeletal remains but I noted it and she also seems quite tall for her age at 5'8. Cheryl's eyes do look askew but this may just be because of the angle.

	Cheryl Schille Wyant MP4607	Valencia Jane Doe UP4388
Sex	Female	Likely Female
Race	White/Caucasian	Likely White/Caucasian
Age	14	17 - 35
Height	5'8	5'4 - 5'7
Weight	120lbs	120 - 140lbs
Hair Color	Brown	Brown/Blonde
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
Distinctive Features	None/Unknown	Eye slightly lower than left.
DLC/DOD	May 30, 1978	1978 - 1980
Circumstances	Walked out of an unknown children's home.	Found with UP4389
Distance	San Bernardino - Valencia	87.5 miles (1hr 28mins)

Distance is further here but Cheryl may have gone a bit of that distance herself and then have been transported by her killer.
Here is Cheryl's thread:

CA - CA - Cheryl Schille “Cherie” Wyant, 14, Rohnert Park, San Bernardino County, 1 May 1978

Cherie Wyant Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance Missing Since: 1978 from California Classification: Endangered Missing Age: 14 years old Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Brown hair. Wyant may use the last name Larson. Details of Disappearance Wyant...

www.websleuths.com

As always, let me know what you think!

 

[John/Jane Doe]

I decided to refresh my memory and came up with 2 matches, both from California.

Out of both matches Lisa Sprague fits UP4389 most. Very, very similar bone structure and the nose is quite close too. To be clear, this is just my opinion.

Removing the 4th "Possible?" row. I want to try and remove all bias from my matches so it is easier to make your own decision.

	Lisa Rene Sprague MP61421	Valencia Jane Doe (1980) UP4389
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	17	17 -2 4
Height	5'10	5'5 - 5'9
Weight	130 - 155lbs	115 - 130lbs
Hair Color	Brown	Unknown
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
Distinctive Features	None/Unknown	None/Unknown
DLC/DOD	Fall 1978	1979 - 1980
Circumstances	Last seen in Fall 1978.	Found with UP4388
Distance	Ventura - Valencia	47.9 miles (52mins)

Here is Lisa's thread:

CA - CA - Lisa Rene Sprague, 17, Ventura, 1 Sept 1978

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Lisa Rene Sprague Female White / Caucasian Date of Last Contact: September 1, 1978 Missing From: Ventura, California Missing Age: 17 Years Current Age: 59 Years Case Information Demographics Missing Age: 17 Years Current...

www.websleuths.com

Cheryl Wyant fits the bill for UP4388 well too other than the age but I noted Cheryl looks very old for her age. I know we are working with skeletal remains but I noted it and she also seems quite tall for her age at 5'8. Cheryl's eyes do look askew but this may just be because of the angle.

	Cheryl Schille Wyant MP4607	Valencia Jane Doe UP4388
Sex	Female	Likely Female
Race	White/Caucasian	Likely White/Caucasian
Age	14	17 - 35
Height	5'8	5'4 - 5'7
Weight	120lbs	120 - 140lbs
Hair Color	Brown	Brown/Blonde
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
Distinctive Features	None/Unknown	Eye slightly lower than left.
DLC/DOD	May 30, 1978	1978 - 1980
Circumstances	Walked out of an unknown children's home.	Found with UP4389
Distance	San Bernardino - Valencia	87.5 miles (1hr 28mins)

Distance is further here but Cheryl may have gone a bit of that distance herself and then have been transported by her killer.
Here is Cheryl's thread:

CA - CA - Cheryl Schille “Cherie” Wyant, 14, Rohnert Park, San Bernardino County, 1 May 1978

Cherie Wyant Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance Missing Since: 1978 from California Classification: Endangered Missing Age: 14 years old Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Brown hair. Wyant may use the last name Larson. Details of Disappearance Wyant...

www.websleuths.com

As always, let me know what you think!

Cheryl Wyant has Dentals available so it might be worth submitting her to have her Dentals compared to UP4388's Dentals.

1787DFCA - Cheryl Schille Wyant

www.doenetwork.org

 

[SimsGuy67]

Cheryl Wyant has Dentals available so it might be worth submitting her to have her Dentals compared to UP4388's Dentals.

1787DFCA - Cheryl Schille Wyant

www.doenetwork.org

Cheryl has been submitted via Doe Network. I will submit Lisa via NamUs as there is no Doe Network for Lisa to my knowledge. Editing this now to say Lisa Sprague has been submitted to NamUs. New edit to say Cheryl has never been considered.

 

[SimsGuy67]

I decided to refresh my memory and came up with 2 matches, both from California.

Out of both matches Lisa Sprague fits UP4389 most. Very, very similar bone structure and the nose is quite close too. To be clear, this is just my opinion.

Removing the 4th "Possible?" row. I want to try and remove all bias from my matches so it is easier to make your own decision.

	Lisa Rene Sprague MP61421	Valencia Jane Doe (1980) UP4389
Sex	Female	Female
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian
Age	17	17 -2 4
Height	5'10	5'5 - 5'9
Weight	130 - 155lbs	115 - 130lbs
Hair Color	Brown	Unknown
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
Distinctive Features	None/Unknown	None/Unknown
DLC/DOD	Fall 1978	1979 - 1980
Circumstances	Last seen in Fall 1978.	Found with UP4388
Distance	Ventura - Valencia	47.9 miles (52mins)

Here is Lisa's thread:

CA - CA - Lisa Rene Sprague, 17, Ventura, 1 Sept 1978

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Lisa Rene Sprague Female White / Caucasian Date of Last Contact: September 1, 1978 Missing From: Ventura, California Missing Age: 17 Years Current Age: 59 Years Case Information Demographics Missing Age: 17 Years Current...

www.websleuths.com

Cheryl Wyant fits the bill for UP4388 well too other than the age but I noted Cheryl looks very old for her age. I know we are working with skeletal remains but I noted it and she also seems quite tall for her age at 5'8. Cheryl's eyes do look askew but this may just be because of the angle.

	Cheryl Schille Wyant MP4607	Valencia Jane Doe UP4388
Sex	Female	Likely Female
Race	White/Caucasian	Likely White/Caucasian
Age	14	17 - 35
Height	5'8	5'4 - 5'7
Weight	120lbs	120 - 140lbs
Hair Color	Brown	Brown/Blonde
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown
Distinctive Features	None/Unknown	Eye slightly lower than left.
DLC/DOD	May 30, 1978	1978 - 1980
Circumstances	Walked out of an unknown children's home.	Found with UP4389
Distance	San Bernardino - Valencia	87.5 miles (1hr 28mins)

Distance is further here but Cheryl may have gone a bit of that distance herself and then have been transported by her killer.
Here is Cheryl's thread:

CA - CA - Cheryl Schille “Cherie” Wyant, 14, Rohnert Park, San Bernardino County, 1 May 1978

Cherie Wyant Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance Missing Since: 1978 from California Classification: Endangered Missing Age: 14 years old Distinguishing Characteristics: Caucasian female. Brown hair. Wyant may use the last name Larson. Details of Disappearance Wyant...

www.websleuths.com

As always, let me know what you think!

Cheryl Wyant has been excluded by dentals. Just heard back from Doe Network. No word on Lisa. Not even a confirmation email. May email the case owners about Lisa as I think it may be one of our stronger matches. Here is the new exclusions list:

NAMUS EXCLUSIONS:
MP4998
Elaine Robertson
05/27/1979
Mt. Rainer
WA

MP18981
Jane Wakefield
09/05/1975
Iowa City
IA

MP6579
Sherry Roach
06/08/1976
San Mateo
CA

MP6391
Angela Meeker
07/07/1979
Tacoma
WA

MP6408
Connie Minchaca
05/09/1978
Napa
CA

MP4571
Lucinda Schaefer
05/24/1979
Torrance
CA

MP24298
Debra Kidwell
05/04/1979
Ventura
CA

UNLISTED EXCLUSIONS (Based on my submissions to Doe Network):
MP869
Benita Chamberlin
02/23/1978
Eugene
OR

MP19747
Marcia Joyce
09/30/1978
Bellingham
WA

MP4607
Cheryl Wyant
05/30/1978
San Bernardino
CA

 

[Bit of hope]

Not that it is very relevant for finding a match, but according to this they weren't found in exactly the same place.

Newhall Jane Doe (Jane Doe 18)

DISCOVERY: On August 26, 1980, a worker was inspecting a pair of water towers in Newhall, Los Angeles County, California, following reports of a foul odour. It was here he came across bones scatter…

storiesoftheunsolved.com

There are two other unidentified victims of Clark and Bundy. <the ones of this thread> The first is the Valencia Jane Doe, who was found deceased in a riverbed south of the Valencia Sewage Treatment Plant in Los Angeles County on January 26, 1980. She was located with a second victim, and had died of a gunshot.

The second is known as the Quartz Hill Jane Doe. She was located nearly a mile east of Bouquet Canyon Road, along Artesian Springs Road, in Los Angeles County. She too died by gunshot, and allegedly went by the name “Cathy”.

Then there is a third
There is one more unidentified victim of Clark & Bundy found on On August 26, 1980. A worker was inspecting a pair of water towers in Newhall, Los Angeles County, California, following reports of a foul odour. It was here he came across bones scattered across a 10′ radius, approximately 0.6 miles north of 25121 Sierra Highway.

I'm sure there is a thread on here for this third victim, but I can't seem to find it now.

While looking into possible matches I think we should keep this Jane Doe in the back of our head too. A lot of excluded girls, for the third victime are in the article too, btw.

ETA
I found the thread. CA - CA - Newhall, WhtFem Skeletal UP4370, 15-20, red hoodie, Aug'80