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Did you ever submit these? I think it's very likely and I was even going to make detailed posts about the 2 before seeing this!Pamela Sue Hobley – The Charley Project
1367UFCA
Patricia Ann Spencer – The Charley Project
1322UFCA
I doubt it is them, but I would like to know what they think
I never sent Pamela and Patricia, if you want to send you can do itDid you ever submit these? I think it's very likely and I was even going to make detailed posts about the 2 before seeing this!
One of the Jane Does has no DNA available so I guess they can't determine if these women may be related or not.How did they end up so far from Michigan though? Also have these Does ever had DNA done to determine if they were sisters or otherwise related?
I think they may have been runaways. It would make sense. Sherri Jarvis ran away from Minnesota and was found in Texas, 17 hours away and she would likely have gone farther if it weren't for her murder. Michelle Garvey went missing form Connecticut and was found in Texas around 30 hours away. Michelle only had a month to travel that far and she did. Who knows how far Pamela and Patricia could have gone. I think they could have been murdered in 1973-1975. Makes them more likely than Cindy Mellin. Maybe they got money from prostitution as they had no ID on them at the time and if they gave any they would be whisked away back home but that's just a theory. Doug Clark and Carol Bundy targeted runaways and prostitutes to my knowledge.How did they end up so far from Michigan though? Also have these Does ever had DNA done to determine if they were sisters or otherwise related?
Yes but first I am making detailed posts. I think we may have a Sherri Jarvis/Michelle Garvey situation. You can not deny how similar Patricia Spencer's age progression looks to UP4389.I never sent Pamela and Patricia, if you want to send you can do it![]()
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Yes but first I am making detailed posts. I think we may have a Sherri Jarvis/Michelle Garvey situation. You can not deny how similar Patricia Spencer's age progression looks to UP4389.
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The Doe's reconstruction looks like a sketch of the age progression! Looks more similar than Andria Bailey!
Patricia Ann Spencer MP11479 | Valencia Jane Doe (1980) UP4389 | Possible? | |
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Sex | Female | Female | Match |
Race | White/Caucasian | White/Caucasian | Match |
Age | 16 | 17-24 | Match |
Hair Color | Brown | Unknown | Possible |
Eye Color | Blue | Unknown | Possible |
Height | 5'3" | 5'5"-5'9" | Possible considering circumstances |
Weight | 120lbs | 115-130lbs | Match |
Estimated D.L.C/D.O.D | October 31, 1969 | 1979-1980 | Possible considering circumstances/ unlikely |
Distinctive Features | None/Unknown | None/Unknown (Skeletal Remains) | Match |
Circumstances | Went missing on the same day as her classmate, Pamela Hobley. | Found with UP4389 | Match/Possible Considering Circumastances. |
Distance | Oscoda-Valencia | 2,383 miles | Possible considering circumstances. |
Pamela Sue Hobley MP11478 | Valencia Jane Doe (1980) UP4388 | Possible? | |
---|---|---|---|
Sex | Female | Unsure, Likely Female | Likely |
Race | White/Caucasian | Unsure, Likely Caucasian | Likely |
Age | 15 | 17-35 | Possible Considering Circumstances |
Hair Color | Brown | Blond/Brown | Match |
Eye Color | Brown | Unknown | Possible |
Height | 5'6"-5'8" | 5'4"-5'7" | Match |
Weight | 100-115lbs | 120-140lbs | Possible Considering Circumstances |
Estimated D.O.D/D.L.C | October 31, 1969 | 1978-1980 | Possible Considering Circumstances |
Distinctive Features | Scar on left side of mouth, Scar across bridge of nose. | Unknown/None (Skeletal Remains) | Match/Possible |
Circumstances | Went missing on the same day as her classmate, Patricia Spencer. | Found with UP4389 | Match |
Distance | Oscoda-Valencia | 2,383 miles | Possible Considering Circumstances |
Then and again this is an age progression and not a Living Photo of Patricia. I also think the "cleft" might be a mistake as I would think that they would make it more pronounced. This is also not listed anywhere that she does have a cleft on her chin. Possibly some artistic liberty. Patricia's living photo have the eyes closer seemingly. This also may have angle issues at play. Eyebrows probably are an estimation as we are working with partial remains.I, uh, um...I'm not seeing it. Face shape is different (UID's is roundish, Patricia's is long and narrow), chin is different (Patricia's is longer and larger, UID is show with a slight cleft or bump), forehead and eyebrows are different (UID's is lower, also narrower at top), eyes aren't real close...granted the UID's eyebrows would be an approximation, the rest of the sketch should be closer.
I feel a little confused of what you meant here. Can you explain what you said a bit more please? I just have a bit of a hard time understanding these things sometimes!Also the two sketches of the UID aren't real similar, now that I look in detail.
I feel a little confused of what you meant here. Can you explain what you said a bit more please? I just have a bit of a hard time understanding these things sometimes!
I agree. Sherri Jarvis' sketch looked not so much like her. Mainly due to the fact that Sherri looked very old for her age. She could pass as a 16 year old but in reality I think she was 14?In my limited experience, the sketches can be a lot different from the actual person. Even in cases where the UID is found in tact, the released sketch(s) isn't a good representation of the person once identified. Just look at some of the solved cases and the initial drawing released to the public. Just throwing this out there.
I agree. Sherri Jarvis' sketch looked not so much like her. Mainly due to the fact that Sherri looked very old for her age. She could pass as a 16 year old but in reality I think she was 14?
I agree. She does look very old. That's why I compared her sketch to Patricia's age progression and not her Living Photo. I thought it would be more accurate.The sketch of UP4389 makes her look like she's 40, at least.
I agree. She does look very old. That's why I compared her sketch to Patricia's age progression and not her Living Photo. I thought it would be more accurate.
I wonder if Barbara Monaco could be a possible match for 1367UFCA
Have you seen this child?
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Barbara Jean Monaco – The Charley Project
1765DFVA - Barbara Jean Monaco
Something that caught my attention is that it is mentioned that Barbara Jean Monaco is blind in one eye (although it is unknown which one), could that explain why Jane Doe's right eye is slightly lower than the left?
Haven't been on this thread for a while. What UID do you mean? UP4388 or UP4389? Your text says UP4389 but links to UP4388. It honestly could work for either though.How about Wanda Priddy for UP4389
Priddy's Stats:
5'4"
120 lbs (though NamUs says 90 lbs)
Brown hair
Circumstances: Priddy vanished on August 29, 1978 from Port Lavaca, Texas. She was last seen by her husband at their apartment. Her car was still parked inside.