Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #7

[2Hope4]

We haven't heard of anything that was found, or removed ilovepierre.

So frustrating for everyone.

Where is this family???

 

[deugirtni]

The green track seen several times during those critical hours may not have anything to do with anything.

Carli, how would your accident theory factor in the green truck seen several times during those critical hours and appearing to lead LE to a person who happens to have a grudge against AL?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In regards to DG and an accomplice theory, just putting it out there….Did DG get someone else as 'muscle' and he was the brains and that way he could stay out in the truck being on the lookout since his truck was seen numerous times in the neighborhood? Was DG driving around the area waiting to pick up his partner who was inside the Liknes home? Also, if one person took the trio the other could stay behind to clean up and then get picked up later (albeit very risky). Risk didn't seem to matter to this person(s) if they were brazenly outside cleaning the sidewalk though!!!

Another thought - I still can't shake why to take/involve little NO. One reason I came up with that someone would take him with the grandparents if it wasn't part of the plan is if NO could recognize the person, otherwise they could have dropped him off in the middle of nowhere unharmed. I wonder how often DG came to family gatherings and if NO even knew who he was or would've recognized him even? If DG wasn't around much and NO hadn't really seen/met him before, makes me think the person in the house wasn't DG but someone little NO knew more closely, otherwise he easily could've been let go.

I still think there's another location that was used other than the G property, somewhere between Calgary and Airdrie. DG seems like he'd have a hiding place for things that only he knows about (MOO). Another poster mentioned somewhere he was familiar with in his youth, I can totally see that being the case!

Only MOO, can't get this poor little boy out of my head, so heartbreaking and it's just not fair I hope I didn't break any rules, mods please let me know if I do or did.

 

[Alberta_Louise]

No parent in their right mind would put a child in danger if they had any insight there was something to be worried about. I think her saying "he wasn't supposed to be there" just went with the fact that it was a spontaneous sleepover.

Exactly. If the family didn't suspect anything then that line of thinking is probably not a very good theory

 

[Alberta_Louise]

If DG wasn't around much and NO hadn't really seen/met him before, makes me think the person in the house wasn't DG but someone little NO knew more closely, otherwise he easily could've been let go.

Wow, that is very insightful!

 

[otto]

I just don't think DG was ever a party goer. He is invariably described as a loner.

Loner, but perhaps also part of the drug scene.

 

[jillybean51]

Sorry if this has already been posted. This item from their neighborhood newsletter in Spring 2008 is eerie:

Crime Watch! - Beware
Connie Ruben writes:
The reason for my writing this to all of you has little to do with our robbery, but what I have found out since. Several of our neighbours have reported a visitor by a man, clean cut and kind in nature, who stated he was looking for his long lost grandmother. He said that she lived in this area and that he was trying to find her.

This man comes across as such a kind soul that one of our neighbours actually let him into the house to use the bathroom.

We believe this is the man who broke into our home. The police also feel that this man rings door bells during the light of day to assess if anyone is home. Once he realizes there is no one home, the robbery is either committed then, or maybe the next day when does the same routine.

In our case, we were gone for several days, but the break in could have happened if it were just a regular work day. This man is a pro and according to the police has been doing this for quite some time.

In one case a lady was hurt as she came home while the robbery was going on. In our case, a large butcher knife was on the counter, which the police believe the robber was using in case we came home. (BBM)

Neighbours Beware. Be on the look out and be diligently cautious as you open your door. Please contact the police if this any person matching this description comes to your door.

pdf http://www.parkhillstanleypark.ca/_literature_31486/Spring_Newsletter_2008

Now six years later and here I am wondering if they ever caught this person...

Also thinking today about posts back on thread #2, #212 Wondergirl and JLSCHook #217, who posted about a comment someone made on a site that the missing couple was giving out their address and date of their estate sale to Century Casino (Edmonton) patrons a while back and maybe that wasn't such a smart idea:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ry-boy-grandparents/article19449772/comments/

Ugh it still scares me to think of all the possible perps (besides thinking of the possible business angles) who knew of their sale and it's possible proceeds. I'm sure LE agrees

Note in the Parkhillstanleypark article......the story under this article titled " casino update" lists AL and KL as volunteers.

 

[TigerLilly]

I hope that reporter isn't lurking ... he's going to think that someone is nuts for taking a couple of hours on a Sunday afternoon to build a 3D model of the crime scene house ... but here it is ... in progress. Input welcome.

Otto..you are amazing!!![emoji7]

 

[Snoop Sister]

I have maintained from the beginning and agree with a few other posters who suspect that NO was taken because he knew the assailant(s) was/were or
perhaps he heard his grandparents call the assailent by name. Another reason may be that the assailant(s) thought NO would be able to give a description of him (them).
IMO there has to be a reason why NO was taken as well as he could have easily been
dropped off somewhere later.

 

[ResearchQuest]

I have maintained from the beginning and agree with a few other posters who suspect that NO was taken because he knew the who the assailant(s) was/were or
perhaps he heard his grandparents call the assailent by name. Another reason may be that the assailant(s) thought NO would be able to give a description of him (them).
IMO there has to be a reason why NO was taken as well as he could have easily dropped off somewhere later.

Yes, or simply left there alone. I mean, there had to be a reason he was taken. To hide the 'evidence' (sorry) is one reason. Kidnapping for profit is another. Kidnapping/abduction for child trafficking (and the grandparents got in the way?). So many reasons.

 

[Watson-1975]

Loner, but perhaps also part of the drug scene.

The involvement of people in the drug scene as manufactures or growers forces a reclusive lifestyle of sorts, hermit style living especially if the venture is highly lucrative. typically when the venture is that lucrative, there will be a higher level of organized crime controlling the venture. DG back ground and experiences with chemicals makes him skilled in that business operation.

My thoughts are that he (DG) actually had nothing to do with the actual act at the Liknes home, I feel as though he may indirectly know who has, my thoughts keep leading me to the connections and business relations south of Canada.

First, AL had a business that was being bought by a Florida company who was involved in the Housing Market??? Curious as to why a Housing Business would be interested in a OIL and GAS company, plausible but strange,
Second, the Family has connections and home in Mexico, from what i recall the area in Mexico the a home exists is in the heart of a Large Mexican Drug Cartel, and recently in the news from Alberta the menonite community has been linked to the Mexican Cartel.
Third, this current businesses bankruptcy and liquidation of family property and belongings suggests that they were trying to separate themselves, family and the over their head businesses both legal and illegal.

I dont think they took NO and ran, i believe those they were intimately involved with are responsible, i also believe that the focus of this investigation on DG is a clear strategy on their part knowing the history of the AL and DG its an easy way to keep focus off the true perps involved. its been 10 days of searching the DG properties and yet they havent arrested him formally with any connection to this case. (I recall the Bosma case they new who what and where to go within a few days)

This is all my thoughts and opinions and i welcome comment on my thoughts

 

[Carli]

I have maintained from the beginning and agree with a few other posters who suspect that NO was taken because he knew the who the assailant(s) was/were or
perhaps he heard his grandparents call the assailent by name. Another reason may be that the assailant(s) thought NO would be able to give a description of him (them).
IMO there has to be a reason why NO was taken as well as he could have easily been
dropped off somewhere later.

Then, just to add to the speculation, there's the chance that the assailant may have thought NO was his son? Just expressing MOO.

 

[peony27]

Didn't see this asked/answered anywhere....did the recent search at the L residence result in any evidence being removed?

When they were searching the garage they were putting things in different piles. I think they probably have been taking things from the L home since they did release the property. But that will probably be asked the next time there is a police press conference.

 

[KMouse]

I wonder who AL used as an accountant for the various businesses.

 

[peony27]

Then, just to add to the speculation, there's the chance that the assailant may have thought NO was his son? Just expressing MOO.

Was who's son? AL?

 

[ilovepierre]

I dunno....I still feel that DG is the one responsible for the L's and N's disappearance. His truck was seen in the area numerous times...he worked with/for AL at one point in time...other familial connections...just too many things that add up to him being the perp.
Little NO was in the wrong place at the wrong time

 

[Watson-1975]

I dunno....I still feel that DG is the one responsible for the L's and N's disappearance. His truck was seen in the area numerous times...he worked with/for AL at one point in time...other familial connections...just too many things that add up to him being the perp.
Little NO was in the wrong place at the wrong time

I believe we need to correct this, the truck seens matches the truck owned by DG, it has not been said for fact that the truck on the video is actually DG truck

 

[Carli]

Was who's son? AL?

No.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/11/30/calgary-case-of-woman-whose-breast-implants-helped-escape-serious-harm-in-shooting-goes-viral

But nevermind. I stand corrected. They had a daughter together, not a son. :facepalm: Skoosie.

 

[otto]

Yes, or simply left there alone. I mean, there had to be a reason he was taken. To hide the 'evidence' (sorry) is one reason. Kidnapping for profit is another. Kidnapping/abduction for child trafficking (and the grandparents got in the way?). So many reasons.

I think that Nathan is missing because he would be able to identify the perp, and the person responsible was not going to take that chance.

In order to understand what happened, I think we need to envision how this would have played out if Nathan had not been there. That is, if the parents had vanished right after they closed the office and liquidated the house, what would people assume if they simply vanished?

 

[otto]

I think this is the general layout of the house, although room proportions are estimates. There are two chimney's on the roof, so one is for the furnace, and one is for a fireplace. I was curious about what route would be taken to get to the side door. I'm assuming that there are stairs off the kitchen heading to the next lower level - where there is the side door. The attack could have been on the level where there is the garage, but I'm guessing it's more likely that they were awake (interior lights on in the morning) and on the main floor when someone came to the house. Click on the image for a virtual tour.