Canada - Laura Babcock, 23, Toronto, 26 June 2012

[newone]

I am assuming that you are referring to DM as the pimp, well LE mentioned he was not involved in the sex worker part

Respectfully, I heard that too at the presser but my opinion albeit small is that if a person solicits opportunity for photo shoots for soft *advertiser censored*(?) kind of puts that person in the 'trade' as well.

 

[THXGuru]

Respectfully, I heard that too at the presser but my opinion albeit small is that if a person solicits opportunity for photo shoots for soft *advertiser censored*(?) kind of puts that person in the 'trade' as well.

I personally would not call *advertiser censored*/modelling the same as escorting. Two different trades.

Facts are LE confirm DM was not part of the sex worker link for LB

 

[SwampMama]

I don't think it was established that it was used to burn TB's body.

I would say that it is possible that it was used to burn car parts...such as vins, and other interior items like seats, fabrics and plastic.

Oh i believe it would also be used for other things as well. It just stands out as seriously disturbing to invest that much money into something that is obviously going to be used to destroy evidence of something. So apparently he had a LOT he was trying to destroy evidence of. He had a lot to hide, so it would seem. I'm sure it was a nice little touch to help keep his crime buddies from ever considering double crossing him as well.

 

[THXGuru]

Oh i believe it would also be used for other things as well. It just stands out as seriously disturbing to invest that much money into something that is obviously going to be used to destroy evidence of something. So apparently he had a LOT he was trying to destroy evidence of. He had a lot to hide, so it would seem. I'm sure it was a nice little touch to help keep his crime buddies from ever considering double crossing him as well.

Well , LE never confirmed that it was used for TB.

 

[newone]

I am wondering if DM was LB's pimp. We saw this with Rafferty... KL was online on escort boards too, he was providing her drugs.... she was vulnerable... much like LB.

you may be onto something there......then magically the supplier makes it clear they want the $$ and have magically found an opportunity for the person to earn the $$.....of course the worker never gets to keep the $$ and often these girls are traded back and forth like livestock AND they are moved around ALOT!

 

[bessie]

An excellent article from SUN News

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles

He raises a good point. If there were zero leads in this case TPS would have been justified in advancing this theory that Laura was a "sex worker" but this is not the case. The last person that Laura spoke to by phone has been charged with first degree murder in the death of Tim Bosma. He is under suspicion for killing his father. He spent $7000 on a "eliminator incinerator" in the weeks after Laura's disappearance.

It was completely gratuitous for Det Mike Carbone to advance his "sex worker" theory and it was done IMO to cheapen the life of Laura Babcock in the eyes of the public. Even some of Joe's contacts inside TPS were disgusted calling the move "dirty".

From this article we learn that Toronto Police did not contact Laura's family before the press conference to reveal what they were about to disclose. They were very shocked and hurt to hear the "sex worker" allegations for the first time. This is unforgivable!

Contrast the disgusting conduct of Toronto Police with the compassionate response by Hamilton Police who waited for the funeral of Tim Bosma to be over before announcing a second arrest.

I respectfully disagree. Tunnel vision is dangerous. Further, the general public can be an excellent resource for locating missing persons when it's armed with the right information.

I am terribly sorry for LB's mother, and my heart goes out to her. I hope she'll be able to overcome her ill feelings and realize there are people who support Laura and her family, people like so many on this board who don't stand in judgment, but want only to help bring Laura home.

 

[bessie]

you may be onto something there......then magically the supplier makes it clear they want the $$ and have magically found an opportunity for the person to earn the $$.....of course the worker never gets to keep the $$ and often these girls are traded back and forth like livestock AND they are moved around ALOT!

Exactly, and IF LB is in that type of situation, the more eyes there are watching, the greater the likelihood she will spotted, and a lead to her whereabouts provided.

 

[newone]

Joe Warmington is discussing the Police presser right now on 1010!


http://www.newstalk1010.com/player.aspx

He is really blasting them!

sorry I missed it == it's not archived.

 

[THXGuru]

sorry I missed it == it's not archived.

First half the host blasted TPS. Second half was a former detective who just supported whatever TPS were doing.

 

[gcplayer19]

From reading the facts, the parents should of delivered the records to LE. WE DONE TPS.

The facts are that LE have figured out what she was up to and they have also figured out that her remains were not on the farm that DM owned.

And we also know from that briefing today that DM was not the last person she had contact with.

 

[SwampMama]

I don't think it was established that it was used to burn TB's body.

I would say that it is possible that it was used to burn car parts...such as vins, and other interior items like seats, fabrics and plastic.

This article says "A man, who as I reported here, ordered a Georgia-built animal incinerator, which police say was used to cremate Bosma's remains."

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/0...to-dellen-millard-about-missing-woman-baffles

So this article says that police say it WAS used to cremate Bosma. Which is the first I am reading of a confirmation of it being used with Bosma.

But the police found enough of the remains (parts?) that were not completely incinerated to be able to identify them as human remains and identify them as TB. So apparently TB was not completely cremated to just ashes. I wonder why? Did they run out of propane? Got tired of the long process of reducing him to ashes?

I'm glad that DM was not able to reduce TB to ashes but I wonder why he failed to do so. I mean he spent so much in this machine, a pretty handy way to eliminate a body within hours. And yet he still FAILED to do it properly or completely.

But i digress and am perhaps even O/T as this is Laura's thread. But at this point, I think only by completely examining all of DMs crimes completely and with a fine tooth comb, is the only way that police are going to stumble across something leads to Laura.

 

[gcplayer19]

I respectfully disagree. Tunnel vision is dangerous. Further, the general public can be an excellent resource for locating missing persons when it's armed with the right information.

I am terribly sorry for LB's mother, and my heart goes out to her. I hope she'll be able to overcome her ill feelings and realize there are people who support Laura and her family, people like so many on this board who don't stand in judgment, but want only to help bring Laura home.

As a single mother of a 17 year girl.....no amount of judgement would stop me from finding my baby....no matter what her life decisions would hinder me from begging for help to get her back to me at all costs. That's just my opinion as an overprotective mom who would do anything for her only child!

 

[THXGuru]

I respectfully disagree. Tunnel vision is dangerous. Further, the general public can be an excellent resource for locating missing persons when it's armed with the right .

I totally agree, and in this situation, I really believe TPS have no idea what might of happened to her. <modsnip> This is why they likely searched the property.

LE want the public and those who knew her to start talk and the Internet escort comment was indended and made on purpose.

The public can help and LE -
Are appealing to the public here.

 

[parcheesy]

Even the family said she was having issues, did not want to be a home, was looking for a place to stay with friends....so what? Is TPS going to do a massive search for her...now I will say that perhaps those who were looking into the case could of perhaps contacted DM....but TPS state that they did not have the phone records and the ex bf said he did....I personally don't believe that TPS are lying....maybe SL is lying.

I do not think that either SL or TPS are lying about the phone. I think the snail mailed bill SL has did show DM as last one called but the Jul 03 calls were at the end of that billing cycle (the monthly totals are shown right after that). There may have been calls from that number after Jul 03 and later but SL does not have that paper bill. Unlike SL, TPS can get all of the phone records.

About whether or not TPS had the records before: I would have to go listen again but wasn't it said at the presser that they became aware of the phone records after DM's arrest but then it was also said that the phone records would have been looked in to at the time of LB being reported missing?

 

[matou]

<modsnip> TPS were acting on tip, that is why they searched farm.

That being said, TPS confirmed that the body was not on the property. Well done to TPS if you ask me.

<modsnip> Hey, I LOVE cops too and I live in TO and they may have slipped up a bit here, IMO.

 

[Dion]

Absolutely not, TPS revealed some facts. Some want to believe that DM murdered a poor innocent girl and buried her on his farm....but the facts show that we have an educated girl, with a poor family, and a girl who chose to become an escort....How else should TPS give the info?

can you please confirm what you mean by "poor"? It reads as if she comes from poverty, whereas this is not the case. In fact, the family lives in an affluent area.

I think that Laura's problem was that she was probably addicted to drugs and did whatever she could to get money to pay for them. I can't see her "choosing" the dangerous lifestyle of an escort otherwise. She had other options. It's too bad that she "disappeared" before she even had a chance to turn her life around.

 

[matou]

Did police check her cell phone pings at all to pinpoint her location from her calls, texts? If not, why not? I see police fast tracking this case because of CONFIRMATION (???) that she phoned DM in her last phone calls. DM is charged with first degree murder and forcible confinement in TB's death. Escorts are aplenty in TO and most, if not all, use the internet to get clients and advertise. Girls have been going missing and some of these cases are still unsolved. However, from what I understand, DM was not interviewed by police in Laura's disappearance and I have to wonder why. Just another case of police not taking missing women's cases seriously. JMO.

 

[Dion]

Did police check her cell phone pings at all to pinpoint her location from her calls, texts? If not, why not? I see police fast tracking this case because of CONFIRMATION (???) that she phoned DM in her last phone calls. DM is charged with first degree murder and forcible confinement in TB's death. Escorts are aplenty in TO and most, if not all, use the internet to get clients and advertise. Girls have been going missing and some of these cases are still unsolved. However, from what I understand, DM was not interviewed by police in Laura's disappearance and I have to wonder why. Just another case of police not taking missing women's cases seriously. JMO.

The police claim that they were not made aware of the phone records until after DM was arrested.

 

[puppyraiser]

IMO it wouldn't be the first time LE was incorrect in their findings, or completely missed evidence during a search- Bernardo or Picton ring a bell?

<modsnip> IMO JMO MOO

 

[musicaljoke]

And we also know from that briefing today that DM was not the last person she had contact with.

I missed the briefing. What was said about that?