Chloroform in the trunk of caseys car

[impatientredhead]

Here is a question, if the State could prove that she read the specific pages about the potential death associated with chloroform, and that Casey had given it to Caylee, even just to put her to sleep...would that throw out the possibility of manslaughter?

Even just to put her to sleep? Any reasonable person would assume one of the risks of chloroforming a toddler would be death. Homicide.

And chloroform is short acting she could not have been using it to sedate Caylee.

Giving it a test run to see what to expect when she took her parents out of the way, maybe, but I think you have a clearly preplanned murder of her kid.

As to the why seek out chloroform, if it is used to make meth or kids are sniffing it now (causes cancer, just darwinian at it's core)... but maybe someone offered it to her under that circumstance, she researches how to use it... which is what the context of the search was reported to be... and here we are. Opportunity becomes premeditated murder.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

The final piece for LE is that they HAVE TO CONNECT KC to that decomp (or Caylee) after she was dead. It seems they (LE) has tied up a lot of the loose end - but they have to physcially connect KC to the decomp (and the decomp was Caylee). They might have done this already - all it takes is one fiber, one hair, just one little teeny tiny particle coming from KC and found in, on, or around that decomp - or they find Caylee (then they have hit the jackpot). IMO the chloroform is a non-issue. I believe KC hit her in the head - blunt force - fractured skull - can't fix that and that is why they don't want her found. The hair in the trunk - IMO it wasn't one or two hairs - it was a clump (a handful) which does fall out that way during decomp - especially if the fatal blow (wound - not meaning bloody - just the area) was to the head.

 

[ThoughtElf]

The final piece for LE is that they HAVE TO CONNECT KC to that decomp (or Caylee) after she was dead. It seems they (LE) has tied up a lot of the loose end - but they have to physcially connect KC to the decomp (and the decomp was Caylee). They might have done this already - all it takes is one fiber, one hair, just one little teeny tiny particle coming from KC and found in, on, or around that decomp - or they find Caylee (then they have hit the jackpot). IMO the chloroform is a non-issue. I believe KC hit her in the head - blunt force - fractured skull - can't fix that and that is why they don't want her found. The hair in the trunk - IMO it wasn't one or two hairs - it was a clump (a handful) which does fall out that way during decomp - especially if the fatal blow (wound - not meaning bloody - just the area) was to the head.

Question: ok, so I believe Casey moved the body herself and disposed of it. So, between in/out of trunk, Casey handled the body. Would it be enough of a link if they found a dead hair in the front of the car (i.e. driver's seat) to make that connection since Casey was last person seen in possession of the car before it got towed? Would that do it?

 

[suddenlyobsessed]

Terilee I suggest you delete your post before the mods do it for you. Just a friendly suggestion. ETA: References and especially links to that are not accepted by the moderators from what I've seen

 

[ThoughtElf]

Terilee I suggest you delete your post before the mods do it for you. Just a friendly suggestion. ETA: References and especially links to that are not accepted by the moderators from what I've seen

Already sent out the alert

 

[Leila]

According to one website, you can make chloroform by mixing bleach and acetone, and the shelf life is two weeks (doesn't sound too difficult.) When and where would she have done this?

Bleach and acetone.......two common items found in most households.

Bleach, of course, is used in laundry cleaning.

Acetone........is, simply, nail-polish remover.

 

[CheckDaFacts]

This all fishy to me, now add in the agent chloroform!
I want to know how Caylee was passed between GM, GP and Casey. Who picked up, where, when and how. What is going on inside the dynamics of this family, LA included. What was Caylee actually experiencing in her life?

I'm not going by GP last sighting on the 16th.
GMA told Megan Kelly of Fox that Caylee was last with Casey on the 14th. Proof GM had her on the 15th, then at the bond hearing, she says she (tucked them) in on the same night, tucked them where?
GM is also incoherent from either medication or alcohol? On her very recent appearance's she was slurring with roving glassy eyes. She is clearly demonstrating signs of abuse no way should she be running around doing TV interviews. All this irks me to no end. This will be a nice law book study case later. Disgusting!

 

[LinasK]

QUESTION - I meant to ask this a long time ago and I might make it a thread. I heard a lot about Casey putting Caylee in the trunk to sleep while she partied... have any of you actually seen this happen?

I've heard of moms leaving children in the CAR too long and them suffocating to death, but the only time I've EVER heard of someone in a trunk was a prank or a very short car ride (where the trunk-rider was a 20something idiot, not a child). Wouldn't a child suffocate due to the carbon dioxide output?? In the trunk just normally??

There was a case in CA where the parent didn't have childcare arrangements while she worked, and kept the kids in the trunk...

 

[LourdesQ]

I keep trying to read all posts to see if anyone has already thought of this but it looks like I may never catch up.

Is it possible the plan was to sell the little girl's organ(s)? The people asked Casey to bring the girl already "asleep"?
Could she have wanted to sell a non-vital organ and only wanted to put her out and too much was used... and so it was an "accident"?

I don't know. Guess yet more crazy speculation? Casey was trying everything and anything to get her hands on "free-money"?

 

[SuziQ]

Did anyone see the episode of Intervention that featured a young woman addicted to huffing canned air? She was so psychotic it was scary. Chloroform, gasoline, cleaning fluid - they are all inhalents of abuse. Inhalent addiction explains but not forgives Casey's behaviors and inability to work. She could have been using them for a long, long time. Cindy could have been covering for her, enabling her for a long, long time. The result could be one long lost baby girl.

Sheesh, maybe that is what's wrong with her.

 

[pregodego2]

WHOA - i was dong a search for chloroform info and look what i stumbled upon.

http://messageboard.donedealpro.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-4667.html

 

[LinasK]

Maybe Casey thought this was a nice painless way to do away with Caylee. But again, what sites exactly was she searching for?

The FBI has specialists in computer forensics. I know someone who does that for a living. They're not going to reveal to you what they've learned...

 

[SuziQ]

does anyone remember where it was posted that Casey's favorite tv show was CSI? Not sure if it was on the myspace or on the high school network site someone posted...but I do remember reading it here...

Anyway, I found it interesting that Choloroform was used in the plot line of the season finale of CSI in mid May 2008...

from the show:




http://www.buddytv.com/articles/csi/csi-for-gedda-season-8-finale-19465.aspx

may be nothing but did come across it....

Last May huh? Very interesting. I remember that episode, it was a good one.

 

[LinasK]

About the computer search, I think LE could have a forensic evaluation done that would go a long way toward allowing a reasonable inference to be drawn as to who did the search. It is relevant that it was Casey's laptop. We only know she did it before the seizure of the computer on about July 16, but LE knows exactly when "someone" did the chloroform searches. They could most likely find out who signed on to the computer or entered a password, and if the search came right after, what other activity was going on, such as MySpace postings, etc. This would be good evidence.

Bingo! I know an FBI agent who specializes in computer forensics.

 

[LinasK]

Could the chloroform been used to "get rid of" the body? Not to kill.... aka cover up by a nurse who may have access to it? Or, maybe it's found at a nursing home, or something like that?

No, I've worked in many nursing homes. It's not something they stock.

 

[ShinaLite]

what I am curious about is how they are going to try and spin this one...

the two combined...Chloroform in the car and searches for Chloroform on the pc hard drive...

 

[janiekay]

The Koch Crime Institute had this to say about how to recognize a possible chemical lab in your neighborhood:

"Periodically The Air District Receives Residential Chemical Odor Complaints.
" IS THERE A METH LAB COOKIN' IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD?

Many people may be unaware that they're living near a methamphetamine lab. Here are some things to look for:
Unusual, strong odors (like cat urine, ether, ammonia, acetone or other chemicals).
Residences with windows blacked out.
Renters who pay their landlords in cash. (Most drug dealers trade exclusively in cash.)
Lots of traffic - people coming and going at unusual times. There may be little traffic during the day, but at night the activity increases dramatically.
Excessive trash including large amounts of items such as: antifreeze containers, lantern fuel cans, red chemically stained coffee filters, drain cleaner and duct tape.
Unusual amounts of clear glass containers being brought into the home.

The presence of the following items could indicate the existence of a methamphetamine lab:
Alcohol
Ether
Benzene or (gasoline)
Toluene/Paint Thinner
Freon or (anhydrous ammonia)
Acetone
Chloroform
Camp Stove Fuel/Coleman Fuel
Starting Fluid
"Heet"
White Gasoline
Phenyl-2-Propane
Phenylacetone
Phenylpropanolamine
Iodine Crystals
Red Phosphorous
Black Iodine
Lye (Red Devil Lye)
Drano
Muriatic/Hydrochloric Acid
Battery Acid/Sulfuric Acid
Epsom Salts
Batteries/Lithium
Sodium Metal
Wooden Matches
Propane Cylinders
Hot Plates
An over abundance of cold and asthma medications containing ephedrine or pseudoephedrine
An over abundance of Cold Tablets
Bronchodialators
Energy Boosters
Rock Salt
Diet Aids

If you suspect a meth lab in your neighborhood
CALL THE LAW."16

 

[SuziQ]

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that not every item on the list being posted is needed to make meth. There may be easier obtained chemicals to make meth. But who knows. I'm still trying to figure out where the chloroform fits in here.

Oh, and earlier I was researching chloroform and it can be when antibacterial hygene products mix with water. The chemical begins with a "T". I don't remember the name though. I wondered if it was in the detergent.

 

[shadow of my mind]

I am also thinking meth lab. Maybe Casey left Caylee with someone for whatever reason and they took Caylee to a cooking house or she was already at one and someone else was supposed to watch her. Didn't a couple of Casey friends say in their statements that Caylee was very independent and somewhat a flirt with guys very friendly? Caylee ends up getting to close to the stuff, eats it, spills it on her, breaths the fumes in which can be deadly in them selves and dies. I would imagine that one would not be in the position to call 911 from a cook house. Could be the reason she ends up in the trunk of the car and they are getting test results back that show that chemical. Might also be the reason for the look-ups on the computer. She was doing some studing on making the stuff. Just another go round in circles in my head trying to make some sense out of this.

 

[SuziQ]

Here is the link I was reading. Doesn't sound like it would be deadly. But might account for the high level in the trunk.

http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2005/apr/science/kb_chlorine.html

(snip)
New research shows that the triclosan in anti-bacteria dishwashing soaps may react with chlorinated drinking water to produce levels of chloroform that exceed EPA regulations.