Closing arguments- thread #173

[TigerBalm]

There are 2 Walmarts in Salinas. Nurmi is going to say she probably, by mistake, went to a different one to return the gas can. After all, they all look alike.


Salinas Walmart Supercenter Store #5751

1375 N Davis Rd. Salinas, CA 93907 Phone: (831) 998-9080
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Salinas Walmart Supercenter Store #2458

1800 N Main, Salinas, CA 93906 Phone: (831) 751-0231

Which one sold her the gas can?

I'm pretty sure that Wal-Mart Stores are numbered in the order of their opening dates. The one where I shop opened in 2008 and is Wal-Mart supercenter #4520. So IIC, the Wal-Mart supercenter #5751 wasn't open yet in 2008.

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[Dana]

Which, of course, begs the question: why didn't she give them to TA before? If she had then in her purse and all...

Which also begs the question: why didn't JA just mail the CDs to TA if she had them that long. It sure would have been cheaper than paying for a rental car and gas to drive that many miles.

 

[Callisto]

I don't mean to offend.....BUT....everyone on HLN is a disgrace. From the hosts to the guest.

I love Beth Karas though! She is often on for a few minutes (which is unfair I think she deserves much more time to give her thoughts)

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[Mrs G Norris]

How is this on HLN .. how is it .. that ALV testimony on abuse makes me ill .. he straddled her until she lost consciousness then woke up coughing .. that is not how it goes .. unless he DROWNED HER.

Such BS.

 

[writer7]

Carried over from last thread. Sorry I'm late with it! And I haven't read the new posts yet either, but I'm getting there

RealityMan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by minor4th
"Well the stabbing is not necessarily the felony underlying felony murder but it's the felony to support burglary -- which is remaining in someone's home unlawfully for the purpose of committing a felony <-- I think that's what Juan was arguing, that the stabbing was the felony that supports the burglary, and the burglary is the felony that supports felony murder.

So basically the difference is a stabbing that occurs in someone's home (felony murder) and a stabbing that occurs outside someone's home."

So JM's description that a stabbing occuring in somebody's home would always constitute felony murder isn't accurate. A burglary is one of the crimes listed in the Arizona criminal statute, but not a stabbing.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_..._rule_(Arizona), reproduced below under the Creative Commons Deed:

Quote:
Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule_(Arizona)

Arizona abolished all common law criminal concepts and replaced them with criminal statutes. The felony murder rule survives in Arizona by current statutory law. The felony murder rule holds that a killing of a person occurring in the course of, or in the immediate flight from, the commission of the following crimes is considered murder in the first degree:
Sexual Conduct with a minor
Sexual Assault
Molestation of a child
Terrorism
Marijuana offenses
Dangerous drug offenses
Narcotics offenses
The use of minors in drug offenses
Drive by shooting
Kidnapping
Burglary
Arson
Robbery
Escape
Child abuse
Unlawful flight from a pursuing law enforcement vehicle

A person convicted of murder in the first degree faces possible sentences of life imprisonment or, when aggravating factors exist, the death penalty. (citations omitted)
Thanks

I don't know Arizona cases, but I have seen kidnapping used for felony murder during crimes where you don't generally think of kidnapping. Not letting the victim leave is considered kidnapping (depending on local statute, probably). So a stabbing is usually kidnapping, because the victim isn't allowed to leave.

eta: link to post I quoted
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[mejane]

In the event that the jury finds 1st degree murder vs. JA, there is the possibility for life imprisonment or the death penalty. Once the jury renders a verdict, the mitigation specialist, will then try to help the defense team coordinate as many family/friends etc... To put in front of the jury to save Jodi from the maximum penalty...or to try and get a less stiff year-wise sentence.

Knowing that I watched mom and gmom sit there stoic while everyone else is crying, I don't imagine JA's family is going to move me to tears as they throw down everything, drop to their knees and beg the jury to spare her life. They will go to any length to spare her. I may actually enjoy it. No, I won't enjoy it, but it won't move me a bit.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

He said they had one date but otherwise "hung out"

Now he 'escaped with his life' .. :censored:

 

[nursebeeme]

Which also begs the question: why didn't JA just mail the CDs to TA if she had them that long. It sure would have been cheaper than paying for a rental car and gas to drive that many miles.

jmhoo: there were NO cds.

 

[LotusPawprint]

wildabeast migration: Juan also brilliantly pointed out that the herd of wildabeasts did not go anywhere else in the bedroom or down the stairs (maybe nurmi will say they evaporated and will put on another scientist to prove this)

bbm - He did say that. Didn't he? Oh, immediately legendary stuff.


Now I'm just zoning out watching droning migrating wildabeast videos like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIH-p1OSRZw

 

[mejane]

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Didn't Jaun cover that when he said she filled the third can?

 

[gngr~snap]

What time did the opening statement actually begin? What time?

10:38am Arizona time

 

[Liebchenmutti]

Has anyone found out why Jodi was so late for court? The judge looked PIZZED!! I saw her look in exasperation at the DT & shake her head and shrug her shoulders like "What the hay is going on?"

 

[minor4th]

Question: Did the Judge already give the jury instructions?

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I love Beth Karas though! She is often on for a few minutes (which is unfair I think she deserves much more time to give her thoughts)

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I agree with that Callisto. Just yank JC and JVM off the air and give Beth her own show. The others are useless and very biased.

 

[TigerBalm]

Didn't Jaun cover that when he said she filled the third can?

Yes, and I just posted the video with her testimony about it up thread a few for those wondering

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Question: Did the Judge already give the jury instructions?

Yes ..

 

[K_Z]

Question: Did the Judge already give the jury instructions?

Yes, before JM began. They lasted about 30 min.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Question: Did the Judge already give the jury instructions?

Yes. Right before JM started.

 

[gngr~snap]

Has anyone found out why Jodi was so late for court? The judge looked PIZZED!! I saw her look in exasperation at the DT & shake her head and shrug her shoulders like "What the hay is going on?"

She was in chambers with the judge prior to court.
I am not sure what the delay was between there and
her arriving in the court room.
Bathroom break maybe?

 

[ynotdivein]

Question: Did the Judge already give the jury instructions?

Yes, before JM started closing statements.

JM referred to the instructions at the close of his comments.