CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2

[oviedo]

Yes, but doesn't it have to still be used by someone to make 2 texts?

There are apps where you can schedule a text to be sent but I dont' know if there is an app to turn the phone on to do it so it wouldn't ping all the way on a long 500 mile trip. Early on, LE said it could be a "false ping". It's in the media thread.

 

[Warwick7]

How do you know they didn't? How do you know where they asked to search?

LE stated that PF refused to have his home searched. There are links up thread. I can't find one on my computer.

 

[MyBelle]

I'm assuming LE knows where and when the "exchange" took place. They just haven't shared that information with the public yet.

Doesn't look like LE got the memo stating WS members need to know all the details

LE knows only what PF has told them. They don't know if he's telling the truth but I think they might have their suspicions based on his behavior when they interviewed him and what they found in KB's home/vehicles. JMO

 

[iluvmua]

This us currently a missing persons case, WHY are ppl digging up his personal information?

 

[Curiousobserver]

That was my understanding too... thanks.

Turned off on purpose most likely. Now we have to figure out who did the turning off.

Yes- where did it ping last on Nov 22, when did the SO's phone ping in that place etc...

 

[dgfred]

What are you reading? We are discussing phones, pings, rolls, reactions, actions, etc

 

[Warwick7]

ITA. What also isn't normal is not just PF's lack of attendance at the PC but also the lack of any members of his family speaking out on behalf of finding Kelsey, the mother of his child. Several members of his family are in law enforcement yet there has been no expression of concern that Kelsey may be a victim of a crime. JMO

Yes, I was surprised the other grandmother and grandfather wasn't there. Yes, several member of his family are in LE.

 

[PrairieWind]

Does it strike anyone else a bit odd that they even asked for a DNA swab when this is still considered a missing person case? If Kelsey just ran off on her own, which is one possible (but unlikely IMO) scenario, or if she was abducted by a stranger, how would her fiancé's DNA help locate her?

Not really. Even if LE does not suspect him, they would want/need his DNA so that if they do find DNA somewhere they exclude him.

 

[Lady Justice21]

I think that's what is happening. Not necessarily bad advice, but you'd think a short, prepared statement would be totally appropriate. The look on camera of a concerned fiance and father of her child would HELP the public get interested in finding out what happened to her.

Instead, we got a press release from his lawyer that he's being cooperative. That was warm and fuzzy (not).

jmo

The statement just like so much else in this case left me with more questions than answers. That was not a loving or concerned statement (IMO). It left me personally feeling even more like they were no longer a couple. If it were my current partner, it would make sense to have my face be a loving statement about them and their safe return. If it's an EX (particularly if not amicable), that's trickier. What do you say, and how do you say it to NOT make yourself look like a jerk/suspect?

All my own opinion. Still feel like the more we get, the less we know.

 

[Deleted member 155000]

But why? There is no public danger so it could only help solve where she is.
For example- txt said she leaving forever. Txt said she would be back Wed for example, etc
What would be the big secret? Why would LE say 'you have to ask him' if they are working together?

Hypothetically, if they thought publicizing the text would further damage her fragile emotional state or would trigger another party who abducted her to harm her, they might recommend staying silent.

Don’t get me wrong, I do think the most likely option is she was harmed by someone close to her. But in my opinion, LE routinely refuses to speculate about other people’s motives. They stick to fact questions and, as a rule, refer you to the individual for their testimony. So yes, the answer may have inferred guilt...or it could’ve just been LE’s off the cuff response when it comes to speculation.

 

[dgfred]

If there is someone out there that abducted anybody... then IMO there would still be a danger to the public. Something is waaaay off about stating that IMO.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

LE knows only what PF has told them. They don't know if he's telling the truth but I think they might have their suspicions based on his behavior when they interviewed him and what they found in KB's home/vehicles. JMO

I agree. Hopefully, there's security camera's close to KB's house.

 

[Warwick7]

That was my understanding too... thanks.

Turned off on purpose most likely. Now we have to figure out who did the turning off.

agreed!

 

[Bill Carson]

But they did announce the date of the press conference 24 hours before it was held.

I don’t buy that he didn’t attend because he didn’t know about it, because he never made a public plea before that.

He also didn’t report her missing.

There’s also no way that LE wouldn’t have told him about the date and time.

I can’t believe that he didn’t know.

I can't catch up.

Look, about the press conference, IMO it was not called in order to "turn up the heat" on PF.

You will recall that the news of the disappearance happened over the weekend, and suddenly WPPD got a thousand calls from media outlets all over for information. And questions like, "Why haven't we heard about this?" "What is being done?" and "Is there a killer on the loose?" Also, KB's momma was in town and was likely pitching a fit about "Why isn't anybody doing anything?"

Instead of fielding a thousand separate calls, they coordinated a press conference, called in to the CBI media person for help, and the police chief read a short statement with very few details. They took very few questions and left us with more questions than answers. The Chief did not appear overly concerned about KB or PF. He acknowledged that PF was cooperating. And he let momma read a statement.

There does not appear to be any reason to "turn up the heat" on PF.

And it even appears that PF didn't feel the need to hire an attorney to issue a statement for him until the media started hounding him. By all appearances, the police have zero interest in him as a suspect.

 

[Jethro4WS]

He gave them a phone - we don't know how many phones he has IMO. And if you are cooperating you let them search the area where the baby handoff occurred IMO.

Well, he said he came to Kelsey's house to pick up his daughter - that is what the Police Chief said that PF had told them (see the press conference). So, if that were true then law enforcement has already searched there.

 

[BuySellTrade]

Seems to me that Kelsey left home for the last time with someone she knew and was not forcibly taken from or even killed in her home and the body taken. To my knowledge there was no disruption showing struggle, just cinnamon rolls left out. So she may have left in a vehicle with PF or someone else she knew well and had no idea that some undefined fate would occur. Makes more sense than Kelsey walking away from home or someone taking Kelsey in her car and returning the car.

Good to see this case getting more attention. Nice to know more about the KB and JF relationship.

 

[PommyMommy]

Delete...misunderstood post

 

[1mtroyal]

Well now that he has said he would participate in a press conference if given more notice, lets see LE announce another one and see what PF does? If he doesn't show up again this is just lies and a CYA statement. JMO.

He could request that the press conference be held on his PRIVATE land, then he could tell everyone to get off his PRIVATE land, and therefore he wouldn't be lying, he did go to the press conference.

 

[Warwick7]

Where does it say he said "no"?

There are links upthread. But, also google "Partick Fraezz no to search his property Kelsey Bereth" articles will pop up.

 

[MassGuy]

I can't catch up.

Look, about the press conference, IMO it was not called in order to "turn up the heat" on PF.

You will recall that the news of the disappearance happened over the weekend, and suddenly WPPD got a thousand calls from media outlets all over for information. And questions like, "Why haven't we heard about this?" "What is being done?" and "Is there a killer on the loose?" Also, KB's momma was in town and was likely pitching a fit about "Why isn't anybody doing anything?"

Instead of fielding a thousand separate calls, they coordinated a press conference, called in to the CBI media person for help, and the police chief read a short statement with very few details. They took very few questions and left us with more questions than answers. The Chief did not appear overly concerned about KB or PF. He acknowledged that PF was cooperating. And he let momma read a statement.

There does not appear to be any reason to "turn up the heat" on PF.

And it even appears that PF didn't feel the need to hire an attorney to issue a statement for him until the media started hounding him. By all appearances, the police have zero interest in him as a suspect.

I’m not saying that was the intent of calling the press conference, I was saying that was the result.

I’ve watched hundreds of these things, and the words used by LE are invariably important.

Why isn’t he here? “You’d have to ask him.”

Why didn’t he report her missing? “You’d have to ask him.”

Is he a suspect. “At this point he is the father of her child.”

You think this was unintentional?

 

[Warwick7]

Well, at first I didn't think anything of it, but it could be used to determine if he is indeed the father of the child.

And, if male DNA is found at her home, in her car, on the cinnamon rolls, they can determine if another male was there.

jmo

good point!!! or anyone else such as her brother. The brother then can be eliminated.