CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

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Steelslady said:
I think this was his way of getting rid of the both of them, to be honest. He tried to get Krystal to kill Kelsey three times- he wanted Krystal's DNA there. I bet Krystal wasn't in full Hazmat gear when she was bringing coffee or the rod or bat. With Kelsey being deceased and Krystal in jail, he would be free again, with custody of Baby K.
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It's really quite devious to try to convince his ex-wife to murder his current wife with a promise that he won't whisper a word to anyone.
 
I'm kind of wondering how big the trash bags were that KK filled at KB's.

I only have 32-gallon bags myself. They hold quite a bit. According to KK, she washed some towels and threw away curtains, pillows, a bath rug, a Bible, baby toys and some dirty baby wipes that appeared to have been used by PF to clean up. The presence of the tampons in the trash suggests that she didn't just empty the trash cans into her bags.

Six bags seems like a lot to hold the stuff she claimed she took. Maybe they were smaller inside trash can sizes?
 
According to Fox 31 news from the press conference today they are bringing in specialists to help with the landfill hunt....Said based on the information they have gathered it all points to the landfill.
 
heli said:
According to Fox 31 news from the press conference today they are bringing in specialists to help with the landfill hunt....Said based on the information they have gathered it all points to the landfill.
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God, I hate to say this, I really do, but.....fingers crossed that they find her remains there. For her family's sake. Sounds like they may be on to something, hence the need for an expert.
 
otto said:
It's really quite devious to try to convince his ex-wife to murder his current wife with a promise that he won't whisper a word to anyone.
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Hold the line!

PF was never married to either woman. He and KK had a romantic relationship after high school. They remained friends and business partners over the years, but at some point rekindled their sexual relationship (2016, 2017)
Kelsey is the mother of his child. Their relationship began around 2016.
 
Steelslady said:
Seriously, how ridiculous was that?

Also, she left trash in the bathroom with tampons (sorry guys!) in it?
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JMO
The fact KK forgot to dump that trash in the bathroom is a little strange. I started to think of a possibility of someone getting a nosebleed during all the bat swinging. Ive known people to use them to help stop a nosebleed.
That evidence could be a way for LE to prove who was in the house during KB's murder.
 
otto said:
They (the two suspects) <modsnip-rumor> and there were no children between them. Isn't it possible that she either could not, or did not, want more children, while he desperately wanted a child of his own? Could Kelsey have been set up solely for the purpose of producing a child, and after the child was born, he would have what he wanted <modsnip - rumor>?
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Otto:
PF and KKL were never married to each other.

PF met KB and started their relationship before KKL came back into the picture.
 
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ajaylee said:
I'm kind of wondering how big the trash bags were that KK filled at KB's.

I only have 32-gallon bags myself. They hold quite a bit. According to KK, she washed some towels and threw away curtains, pillows, a bath rug, a Bible, baby toys and some dirty baby wipes that appeared to have been used by PF to clean up. The presence of the tampons in the trash suggests that she didn't just empty the trash cans into her bags.

Six bags seems like a lot to hold the stuff she claimed she took. Maybe they were smaller inside trash can sizes?
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CB (mom) had visited in October, right? You'd think she'd notice the missing curtains and bath rug, maybe even the pillows (assuming sofa pillows here). Was she too distraught at first to notice?
 
Investigators depict gruesome murder scene with new details in Berreth murder case

*Frazee, who is being held in Teller County jail without bond, is scheduled to enter a plea at 8:30 a.m. Monday.*

Frazee is charged with six felony counts that include murder in the first degree and solicitation in the first degree.

Like enter his plea like an arraignment?! I didn’t see anything else about something happening Monday?
 
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AgeofAquaruis said:
I wonder if she bought them for PF's mom. She was very thoughtful and sweet. I could totally see her doing that.
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I wonder if during the long evening before, PF made sure to invite KB to Chez Frazee for T-Day dinner, assuring she would be at home making plans and getting Baby K ready. He is meanwhile planning to kill her before the real T-Day dinner, so he has an alibi.

When he arrives at KB’s, she and Baby K are dressed up and getting ready to leave with him.

Then he attacks? Has to have a quick shower to clean himself, get the phone, not gonna make it to SF’s by 2;30 when SF2 & family arrive....

I wonder what he told SF when he showed up with Baby K but not KB. SF must have known KB was there the night before. I wonder if SF will ever tell us.
 
Has anyone tried to understand or speculated if what we think we know happened if KKL actually did what she said she did? If it's true, I cannot figure out what was in it for her. I have a few ideas but none of these would even make me get out of bed to put my shoes on let alone drive hundreds of miles several times for someone I didn't really even have a "real" relationship with to clean up a murder mess.

What would do it for her? What was her investment?

Guy from back in the day "hot" rodeo guy says he can't stop thinking about her. (Meanwhile he has a girlfriend he moved across the country likely by the same manipulative tactics and has a toddler with her.)

Guy who she considers a friend, a past love interest and possible future with calls and starts a conversation with a girl he has learned of her weaknesses in the past, and starts grooming her with charm that perhaps she was the one after all? She is in a stagnant place in her relationship and welcomes the attention. (That quiet horse life set in and suddenly a husband and kids with a mortgage payment in the same small town you grew up in isn't what you thought it was. PF secretly calls while she's on her way home from work and get's her all riled up about the what if.) Husband has no idea. Or he does, but they don't acknowledge it.

She can move to the ranch, bring her kids, after all it's "his" ranch. If only she can prove she really loves him. There's just one problem.......

Really low self esteem because hers came from her success as a big fish in a small sea back in the day in high school, and her rodeo achievements.

Just pure hate for the competition. Or did she even know but then when she found out she got pissed and signed up? Some kind of promise about the future? Together?

Sex life? (Morbidly wonder if this bonding moment turned PF or them on where they were intimate before she went home after burning what she knows to be KB's remains.) Did they get off on laughing about and discussing this? Or just one of them did? Sorry I know it's sick but I have to believe KKL spent the night after THAT day. And they don't see each other that often.

Or did he completely use her as narcissists do and before she knew it she was in over her head and panicked? You would think there would be blinking red lights, huge flags, slaps in the face, with sirens and horns but sometimes the grooming and manipulation is beyond what we can see.

All of the above? Some of the above? None? PF doesn't strike me as being a ladies man and not even good looking or charming off the bat.

Hard to understand, just wondering what other sleuthers think if you were in her shoes. What on earth could have made her do this as a human, a woman, a mother, a girlfriend? Really struggling with it. Would like to hear others idea of what would encourage this type of insane behavior.

I personally would have called LE if I heard this idea from ANYONE more than a very small joke or passing small conversation people have about their ex. Actual directions or plans, burner phones, sitting in someone's driveway, plane tickets, rental/borrow cars, driving hundreds of miles, bringing bleach and hazmat suit, leaving keys, metal rods, how-to's? WTH

This is speculation and I'm not qualified to diagnose anyone. MOO, MOS, JMO
 
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