CO - Kimberlee Singler, 35, charged w/murder of her children, girl, 9 & boy, 7, injuring third child, age 11, CO Springs, 19 Dec 2023

[Niner]

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Date​	Len​	Appearance​	Name​	Hearing Type​	Case #​	Location​	Division​
1/10/24 3:30 PM​	1Hr​	IN PERSON​	SINGLER, KIMBERLEE​	Pre-Trial Conference​	D212023JV31046​	El Paso County​	DIV V-Room W350 (West Tower)

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12/29/23 Update: Has a pretrial conference hearing on 1/10/24 @ 3:30pm for case #D212023JV31046. This hearing is regarding the custody of children. According to court documents, a court ruling was made for Singler to bring her children to her ex-husband for a holiday visit. Those papers say that they were scheduled to meet at CSPD's Stetson Hills Substation at 9am on 12/16/23. It is unclear at this time if Singler showed up for that meeting, but court documents says that her ex-husband made an emergency motion for police to enforce the custody agreement on the 17th. The case is over a permanent protection order.

 

[KMouse]

Why on earth would you flee to the UK? For all intents and purposes you aren't far off just in another state with the level of co-operation and its a tiny country with nowhere to hide or get out of country. Should have flown to mainland Europe

It's easy to get out of the UK. The Eurostar is easy to take to Paris and then from there it's easy to take trains. You do not have to show ID to buy Eurostar or train tickets. But if she were to use her debit it credit card it's easy to track. Europe is very cashless these days.

 

[charminglane]

Does she have connections or family in the UK? Trying to figure out why she chose it. Thank God she’s apprehended.

English speaking country.
Panic, coupled with easiest to read the language to travel forward?

 

[RickshawFan]

It's easy to get out of the UK. The Eurostar is easy to take to Paris and then from there it's easy to take trains. You do not have to show ID to buy Eurostar or train tickets. But if she were to use her debit it credit card it's easy to track. Europe is very cashless these days.

Is it still easy with Brexit, though? Now England and Europe have hard borders.

 

[RickshawFan]

“On Oct. 20, 2022, the ex-husband filed an emergency motion to "prevent abduction and to terminate the stipulated order" allowing the children to move to Florida with Stingler. About a week later, the court scheduled an abduction prevention hearing, but Singler did not show up again. They attempted to contact her by phone and mail to her home address

The ex husband tried ….this is heartbreaking.

Court docs reveal custody battle involving Colorado mother accused of killing 2 of her children

New court documents reveal there was a rocky custody battle involving a Colorado Springs mother accused of killing two of her children before she disappeared.

www.denver7.com

So, we’re looking at 2022 and not 2023?

 

[ch_13]

Is it still easy with Brexit, though? Now England and Europe have hard borders.

Even before Brexit, the UK was never part of the Schengen agreement. I believe an identity card was sufficient for cross-border travel if you were European, but Americans have always had to show a passport to cross over to the continent.

 

[Doghairrules]

New article, with a few more details.

911 call came from inside the home, and KS was initially cooperating with LE after being released from the hospital...until she wasn't.

"Singler was initially cooperating with police after her release from the hospital. At some point, she became uncooperative and police were unable to get in contact with her, Cronin said."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/30/us/colorado-mother-wanted-double-murder-children/index.html

WHERE is grandma??

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I didn't see an arrest in the UK coming at all! I have a friend in Colorado Springs who hikes a lot and was thinking they'd probably stumble across her, deceased, in some remote area.

 

[RickshawFan]

Why on earth would you flee to the UK? For all intents and purposes you aren't far off just in another state with the level of co-operation and its a tiny country with nowhere to hide or get out of the country. Should have flown to mainland Europe

Kaitlin Armstrong was captured in Costa Rica, and maybe KS didn’t like the Nicaragua option?

The Adelsons were headed to Vietnam, but their trip ended at the airport. Maybe KS wanted to actually make it onto a plane?

Ukraine and Gaza are very unpredictable these days, so rule those out.

I’m not heading to Myanmar or Russia long-term, if I can help it.

Wearing a full-coverage burkha might do the trick, but in those countries, I’d have to have a guy chaperone me everywhere if I’m out and about. How is that an advance over jail?

What’s a murderous gal to do?

Australia is definitely out. Have you seen those Australian customs videos? They can prolly pick up week-old bloodstains with those machines of theirs. As for those immigration agents' xray eyes…. No way.

She can’t join Boko Haram, ‘cos she’d stick out in a camp for obvi reasons. Plus, it’s kinda hard to wash your hair in the Sahara, so, yep, no on that concept. Besides, on the face of it, UK sounds a whole lot safer than Burkina Faso, which, come to think of it, she likely has never heard of….

Seriously, where do you hide out in this day and age if you treasure your mods and cons?

 

[Doghairrules]

“On Oct. 20, 2022, the ex-husband filed an emergency motion to "prevent abduction and to terminate the stipulated order" allowing the children to move to Florida with Stingler. About a week later, the court scheduled an abduction prevention hearing, but Singler did not show up again. They attempted to contact her by phone and mail to her home address

The ex husband tried ….this is heartbreaking.

Court docs reveal custody battle involving Colorado mother accused of killing 2 of her children

New court documents reveal there was a rocky custody battle involving a Colorado Springs mother accused of killing two of her children before she disappeared.

www.denver7.com

I completely agree with you. I don't understand why the court continued to allow her to bring motions and then not show up for her own motions, much less his????? Seems like this was a pattern for sure.

 

[SMK777]

English speaking country.
Panic, coupled with easiest to read the language to travel forward?

Yes, I think you’re probably right on that.
Glad FBI and Colorado law enforcement were able to apprehend her before she managed to really slip away, as fugitives have been known to do for years!

 

[QB2022]

It's easy to get out of the UK. The Eurostar is easy to take to Paris and then from there it's easy to take trains. You do not have to show ID to buy Eurostar or train tickets. But if she were to use her debit it credit card it's easy to track. Europe is very cashless these days.

You need passports to enter France/Amsterdam, you can't just hop on the train/ferry without showing passports. It's not easy at all to get out of the UK once an alert is in place on your passport.

 

[QB2022]

Kaitlin Armstrong was captured in Costa Rica, and maybe KS didn’t like the Nicaragua option?

The Adelsons were headed to Vietnam, but their trip ended at the airport. Maybe KS wanted to actually make it onto a plane?

Ukraine and Gaza are very unpredictable these days, so rule those out.

I’m not heading to Myanmar or Russia long-term, if I can help it.

Wearing a full-coverage burkha might do the trick, but in those countries, I’d have to have a guy chaperone me everywhere if I’m out and about. How is that an advance over jail?

What’s a murderous gal to do?

Australia is definitely out. Have you seen those Australian customs videos? They can prolly pick up week-old bloodstains with those machines of theirs. As for their body-language eagle eyes…. No way.

She can’t join Boko Haram, ‘cos she’d stick out in a camp for obvi reasons. Plus, it’s kinda hard to wash your hair in the Sahara, so, yep, no on that concept. Besides, on the face of it, UK sounds a whole lot safer than Burkina Faso, which, come to think of it, she likely has never heard of….

Seriously, where do you hide out in this day and age if you treasure your mods and cons?

I think Turkey tends to be a country of choice for those inclined to run!

 

[Chimera]

Oh no, what happened here? These are older children so unlikely to be a post-partem disorder. The photo of the mum is very difficult to reconcile with these crimes MOO

Agreed.
Monsters don't look like it.
That's the case in Lauren Heike's murderer ... I'd walk by him in an ordinary public setting and not give him a second thought.
For some reason I expect killers to look deranged.
The fact that this sorry excuse for a mother fled the country indicates guilt, imo.

Rip to these sweet kids, and prayers for the survivor.
She has a long road ahead of her !
Omo.

 

[Chelly]

Vietnam would have been a better choice for escape. Vietnam does not extradite to U.S. English is widely spoken. MOO

 

[ch_13]

Vietnam would have been a better choice for escape. Vietnam does not extradite to U.S. English is widely spoken. MOO

This isn't true. While Vietnam doesn't have an extradition treaty with the U.S., they will extradite on a case-by-case basis. In fact, it happened earlier this year last year. (edit - Forgot it was 2024. Happy New Year!)

US murder suspects lived secret lives in Vietnam - VnExpress International

Two men wanted by the U.S. for murder, Polie Phan and Jaiden Nguyen, fled to Vietnam disguised as tourists, but could not escape the hands of justice.

e.vnexpress.net

The Ministry of Public Security coordinated with U.S. law enforcement to extradite the two suspects back to the U.S.
...
"We appreciate the collaboration and investigation efforts of Vietnam's Ministry of Public Security officers in locating these suspects and bringing them to face justice in the U.S. The partnership between Vietnamese and American law enforcement agencies has safeguarded both our nations. We hope that the capture of these criminals will bring some solace to the families of the victims," U.S. Consul General Susan Burns said, as cited in a statement.

Almost every country, even those on unfriendly terms with the U.S., will do this. No one wants a foreign criminal inside their borders.

 

[RickshawFan]

Even before Brexit, the UK was never part of the Schengen agreement. I believe an identity card was sufficient for cross-border travel if you were European, but Americans have always had to show a passport to cross over to the continent.

Interesting. I don't remember doing so on Eurostar, or either end. That was maybe 15 years ago, though.

 

[RickshawFan]

Vietnam would have been a better choice for escape. Vietnam does not extradite to U.S. English is widely spoken. MOO

Not if your last name is Adelson...

 

[ch_13]

Interesting. I don't remember doing so on Eurostar, or either end. That was maybe 15 years ago, though.

Someone almost certainly took a look at it, but it was often a cursory check. Here's an old travel thread from 2008, discussing the passport check.

Passport Control - Eurostar - Fodor's Travel Talk Forums

Europe - Passport Control - Eurostar - Hi I am a (confused) US citizen who will be traveling from London to Amsterdam on the Eurostar, and I am wondering how passport stamps are handled. We will be taking Eurostar which goes through France, with a change of trains in Brussels, arriving at...

www.fodors.com

 

[Chelly]

This isn't true. While Vietnam doesn't have an extradition treaty with the U.S., they will extradite on a case-by-case basis. In fact, it happened earlier this year last year. (edit - Forgot it was 2024. Happy New Year!)

US murder suspects lived secret lives in Vietnam - VnExpress International

Two men wanted by the U.S. for murder, Polie Phan and Jaiden Nguyen, fled to Vietnam disguised as tourists, but could not escape the hands of justice.

e.vnexpress.net

The Ministry of Public Security coordinated with U.S. law enforcement to extradite the two suspects back to the U.S.
...
"We appreciate the collaboration and investigation efforts of Vietnam's Ministry of Public Security officers in locating these suspects and bringing them to face justice in the U.S. The partnership between Vietnamese and American law enforcement agencies has safeguarded both our nations. We hope that the capture of these criminals will bring some solace to the families of the victims," U.S. Consul General Susan Burns said, as cited in a statement.

Almost every country, even those on unfriendly terms with the U.S., will do this. No one wants a foreign criminal inside their borders.

@ch_13 Do you think China would have been a better choice?