Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 #14 *ARRESTS*

[afitzy]

The other Mt Spring addresses are listed as vacant land (84 and 88)
PropertyRecordCards.Com

So he does still own the land?

 

[Daisyeve]

I agree with what you say. I thought lawyers aren't allowed to make inflammatory statements to the media and NP has gone way overboard.

JMO

NP is showing the people that can stand to read his articles what it is like to live with a narcissist- constant lies, belittling, saying anything and doing anything to make themselves seem perfect . They especially like to do it when the innocent person isn’t there to defend themselves. A narcissist tries to suck every bit of life out of their victim. I sometimes feel someone hired NP to quickly expose FD and his guilt because the things NP makes up are so bizarre. ( Maybe if NP had a makeover he would be more believable.)

 

[Dmcp]

So he does still own the land?

Yes, per the Farmington Assessor site.

 

[afitzy]

So he does still own the land?

Got it. He owns 80 (house + 5.06 acres), 84 (land) and 88 (land) Mountain Spring. Vacant land total 4.66 at 84/88 Mountain Spring. 80 MS is a house with 5.06 acres. This is alot of area to search. Has anyone seen any LE activity recently in that area?

 

[cottow]

do you guys think him stopping to grab his mail the night he came back from hartford is at all telling?

imo, if two people just did something very bad, isnt ur natural reaction to want to get home, take a shower and go to bed to find comfort? these people are not serial killers, this isnt something they do every weekend. what im getting at is, his fodu stopping to get his mail an indication that MT had no idea and he was making the night to seem normal? “all my dunpsters are fill and i want to clean up the property before the weekend, do you mind helping me dump some garbage bags”.

now the thing thats interesting is the police report that i believe indicates the camera could see blood on bags. as stated before, this would mean bags were white or clear...then MT of course knew something.

i just found it little weird he stops for his mail friday night.

 

[afitzy]

This Stamford Advocate article is interesting IMO. Jennifer Dulos case: Norm Pattis tells author to ‘be gone, girl’

Local atty IMO took FD to 'school' on what exactly affirmative duty to defend your client means in practice.

Bravo local atty Maddox who IMO has been on point in all of his commentary thus far! Atty's generally don't call out their own so to see the No Case Norm show taken to task by one of their own just confirmed what so many here on the thread have felt as we saw someone not here to defend herself publicly thrashed over and over by the Pattis Crew and her husband FD.

Here is the exchange from the article:

"Rich Rochlin, who is representing Fotis Dulos in his criminal and divorce cases, defended the legal team’s strategies, saying any lawyer has an affirmative duty to defend a client. Rochlin said that’s particularly important in a case like this where he said Fotis Dulos has been negatively impacted by the media and the state’s accusations".

“There are rules that require that we step forward and get the client’s story out and paint him in the best possible light so that when the time for trial arrives, the potential pool of jurors has not been completely tainted by a one-sided effort to smear his name and tell only the state’s side of the story,” Rochlin said.

New Canaan criminal defense attorney Matthew Maddox said he’s been thinking a lot about advocacy because of the Dulos case.

"But he said while there is no such affirmative duty that Rochlin talks about, attorneys take an oath to zealously represent their clients" [BBC].

“But being a zealous advocate does not mean being an irrational advocate. There is a balance between the two. I believe that truly dedicated and competent lawyers are required to be the narrators of our client’s story, but you better be sure your narrative is consistent and it can be substantiated. Not just in the immediate sense, but when you go before a jury, because jurors remember,”[BBM] said Maddox, who is not involved in the Dulos case. “You have to be very careful about what you put out there and theorizing about a missing mother who has mimicked a piece of fiction and has abandoned her children to live some other life is ultimately not something that is going to favor your client.” [BBM]

Question for Atty. Rochlin: How has anything your team has put out into the press presented your client in the most positive light? Atty. Pattis has spent little to no time talking about his client and instead has focused on all the other parties in this tragic case except his client. Is there nothing positive to say about your client? And if you aren't putting out the positive news about your client then who will? PS 'Gone Girl' was a bust so just give it up already!

 

[Dmcp]

Got it. He owns 80 (house + 5.06 acres), 84 (land) and 88 (land) Mountain Spring. Vacant land total 4.66 at 84/88 Mountain Spring. 80 MS is a house with 5.06 acres. This is alot of area to search. Has anyone seen any LE activity recently in that area?

Here’s the map. You can see the two 80 lots with 84 in the middle. When you search for 88 on GIS site it’s not there so it was likely sub-divided IMO. Look at the properties with Google Earth when you can and yes, you’ll see very wooded areas.
Town of Farmington GIS - ArcGIS Server Parcel Application

 

[3blue1pink]

So far, CT’s theory makes the most sense to me, but then what the heck do I know?? I’m still stuck on my flow charts and this hypothesis doesn’t hit any snags. From the beginning, the license plates have screamed out the most information to me, mainly that FD wanted them found intact, with the tape adhered. Like CT, I keep going back to examine the deliberateness of each of FDs actions.
CT’s theory covers the deliberate, garbage dump well. Thinking of JDs car left at the park. Also happened for a precise reason, wouldn’t it have been easier to pull it in garage and slam door shut? But FD wanted to redirect attention of the crime from possibly the house, to the park. A kind of “look over here!!!” So I’ve been thinking, where didn’t he want you to look.
Part Occam’s razor and part the narcissistic controlling attitude of FD, I think the answer is very simple and holds a message. IMO , and like most of you here, I believe the entire crime was preplanned. The degree of blood shed seems to be unexpected, but disposal of the body was not, IMO it was prepared and easy and meaningful. No planes or other jumping through hoops
I’ve been following the discussion of properties owned by FoRe. I think one of those would be too obvious. Could the answer be in a property that meant something to JD? One she wanted and he didn’t? A source of an argument? A park she loved? Those who knew and loved JD might know. I believe this man thrives on gleeful secrets that fuel his narcissism.
I simply cannot get the picture out of my head of him wearing that Old Avon Farms Skiers shirt after he was released. He was telling everyone that his children would ski again because HE wanted them to and Jennifer could do nothing about it. I really think properties or homes that meant something to Jennifer should be considered.

So true ... after all he has a history with “sick revenge fantasies “ . I just think he would dispose of her in a place she hated .... like a waterski pond or if it wasn’t so obvious 4jx property where she would be forced to spend eternity with him and side piece.

 

[afitzy]

Here’s the map. You can see the two 80 lots with 84 in the middle. When you search for 88 on GIS site it’s not there so it was likely sub-divided IMO. Look at the properties with Google Earth when you can and yes, you’ll see very wooded areas.
Town of Farmington GIS - ArcGIS Server Parcel Application

Yes, you are totally right. Very wooded. Property next door on MS is over 8 acres. Wonder how much of these 4 lots have been searched?

 

[Canchance]

do you guys think him stopping to grab his mail the night he came back from hartford is at all telling?

imo, if two people just did something very bad, isnt ur natural reaction to want to get home, take a shower and go to bed to find comfort? these people are not serial killers, this isnt something they do every weekend. what im getting at is, his fodu stopping to get his mail an indication that MT had no idea and he was making the night to seem normal? “all my dunpsters are fill and i want to clean up the property before the weekend, do you mind helping me dump some garbage bags”.

now the thing thats interesting is the police report that i believe indicates the camera could see blood on bags. as stated before, this would mean bags were white or clear...then MT of course knew something.

i just found it little weird he stops for his mail friday night.

You’re right. Especially since he was supposedly home so much that day. But I guess when you got murder and disposal on your mind, the mail has to wait til the busy day is done

 

[afitzy]

You’re right. Especially since he was supposedly home so much that day. But I guess when you got murder and disposal on your mind, the mail has to wait til the busy day is done

FD has alot going on so the mail is impt! He is involved in a foreclosure action on 4JX, MIL civil litigation, divorce case and no doubt the bills are piling up that he is unable to pay.

Originally I thought it odd that after the day he might have had and the trashbin odyssey that he steps out to get the mail in full view of CCTV that he no doubt knew was present. But, the more we learn about everything falling down around him then it seems like he would want to get the mail to find out the latest. For all he knew the Marshalls would be showing up to toss him to the curb out of 4JX for non payment of his mortgage for almost a year and he needed to know if he should pack up the Suburban with a few essentials and let MT know. MOO

 

[Mrs. M]

If a Mod comes on you can ask them but the source of the loan was MT who is a named suspect POI in the case. Maybe the best course is to find out as much as possible about the loan absent further discussion of the person the loan was given to.

I imagine it had to do with the home that Fore Group flipped for double the price. His name was on the property records as the seller. It sold in January 2018 and I believe he left Fore Group in January 2018.

 

[afitzy]

Here is what the MSM has to say about 123 Hunter Drive:
1:
West Hartford real estate transfers for the period May 29 – June 2, 2017.
$650,000. 123 Hunter Drive. Fore Group Inc. to Guillaume Vidallet, deed filed on May 31, 2017.
Westmont Colonial Sells for $988,800 - We-Ha | West Hartford News

It was also reported sold on 1/2/2018 for $595K.

This may be connected to the JD divorce filings/subpoenas

Did you look at the history on 3JX that just sold again on 5/21/19? This is a bit of a puzzle so I'm curious what you think about it all. The price trend present in the history is also interesting as it confirms local reports of a very soft Farmington market.



The Assessor’s office is responsible for the maintenance of records on the ownership of properties. Assessments are computed at 70% of the estimated market value of real property at the time of the last revaluation which was 2017.

Information on the Property Records for the Municipality of Farmington was last updated on 7/8/2019.
Parcel Information
Location: 3 JEFFERSON CROSSING Property Use: Residential Primary Use: Residential
Unique ID: 09760003 Map Block Lot: 0019 6 Acres: 1.69
490 Acres: 0.00 Zone: R80 Volume / Page: 1177/0297
Developers Map / Lot: Census: 4602-02
Value Information
Appraised Value Assessed Value
Land 324,825 227,380
Buildings 974,985 682,490
Detached Outbuildings 0 0
Total 1,299,810 909,870


Building 1

Building Use: Single Family Style: Colonial Living Area: 5,976
Stories: 2.50 Construction: Wood Frame Year Built: 2012
Total Rooms: 10 Bedrooms: 5 Full Baths: 6
Half Baths: 2 Fireplaces: 4 Heating: FHA
Fuel: Propane Gas Cooling Percent: 100 Basement Area: 2,258
Basement Finished Area: 1,520 Basement Garages: 0 Roof Material: Wood
Siding: Clapboards/Brick Units:

Special Features
Dormer Linear Ft 24
Fireplace Masonry Chimney 3
Whirlpool 1

Attached Components
Type: Year Built: Area:
Frame Garage 2012 782
Flagstone Patio 2012 552
Open Frame Porch 2012 61
Owner History - Sales
Owner Name Volume Page Sale Date Deed Type Valid Sale Sale Price
GARDNER WILLIAM A & ANGELA K 1177 0297 05/21/2019 Warranty Deed Yes $1,675,000
SIRVA RELOCATION CREDIT LLC 1177 0293 05/21/2019 Warranty Deed Yes $1,675,000
TAYLOR LAURA & BRYAN 1144 0274 03/06/2017 Quit Claim No $0
TAYLOR BRYAN 1144 0259 03/06/2017 Warranty Deed Yes $1,500,000
DODGE N.P. JR TRUSTEE 1135 0344 09/09/2016 Warranty Deed Yes $1,670,000
SOHOVICH ROBERT M & JOANNA L 1104 0985 02/12/2015 Warranty Deed Yes $2,201,400
FORE GROUP INC 0905 0502 05/25/2007 No $0
FORE GROUP LLC 0872 0682 04/25/2006 No $1,100,000
POWERS JOSEPH H ESTATE OF 0099 0582 No $0
Building Permits
Permit Number Permit Type Date Opened Date Closed Permit Status Reason
66584 Electrical 05/17/2017 Closed Electrical
66462 Addition 05/10/2017 Closed Addition/Alterations
Information Published With Permission From The Assessor

 

[MrFixit]

Got it. He owns 80 (house + 5.06 acres), 84 (land) and 88 (land) Mountain Spring. Vacant land total 4.66 at 84/88 Mountain Spring. 80 MS is a house with 5.06 acres. This is alot of area to search. Has anyone seen any LE activity recently in that area?

None.

 

[Chicago54]

So true ... after all he has a history with “sick revenge fantasies “ . I just think he would dispose of her in a place she hated .... like a waterski pond or if it wasn’t so obvious 4jx property where she would be forced to spend eternity with him and side piece.

A place she loved & he hated, or a place she hated and he loved! Exactly. Either, but a place with a message. And IMO , Jennifer is intact. I m not sold yet on a dismemberment.

Tannery skills or not, I’m not seeing this action as something FDplanned for, or could carry out.

Consider the scene at JDs house in NC. If he planned on dismemberment there, he would have brought necessary tools and supplies. Because of the evidence found, it’s clear he did not try to mask the blood spillage, so he did not plan for dismemberment-at least there. And he would have wanted to be in and out of there ASAP.

So next we can consider he moved her quickly, and had his tools prestaged elsewhere. Maybe it was at the house where the loud banging was heard. Perhaps he took art to park and then moved her to the house and immediately continued his plan , or went back in the morning.
I believe there are 2 reasons that this did not occur. One FD told us himself in his interview- he knows that they always look at the husband in scenarios like these. He knew he would be a suspect, but he didn’t know how quickly JD disappearance would be discovered. I don’t think he could run the risk of having her at another location for any amount of time.
My second reason is simply, dismembering a body is not an easy task: emotionally or physically. I’m assuming FD is not a serial killer and has never done this before. I’m not going into detail, but I’ve done quite a few human dissections and separating any parts from a body is complex and a difficult experience. Add fear or discovery, panic, and hysteri, and even though seeming a sociopath, I don’t think a first time dismemberment occurred.
So, that said, I don’t think he moved her to where he would be immediately investigated and IMO he did not dismember her.

Brings me back to JDs house in NC

He did not have to travel with her from and risk discovery. He needed to be gone fast, so he killed her, and left her there. He knew he would be looked at, so why take her to one of his properties.
She wanted to be there, and he hated her for it.

Could she still be there?

What normal building supplies, that wouldn’t raise any suspicion, could have been brought over in the workers red truck?
Cement. Dry wall. Cement. Chemicals. Shovels. ...

 

[3blue1pink]

None.

So would this tell you they LE know or have have info about where the body actually is ? It’s no brainer to search ALL of FD/FORE owned properties ?

 

[Mrs. M]

None.

I did see a black sports car sitting across from the entrance to The Mountain Spring house. All of the windows in it were dark, dark tint. Like darker than legally allowed so it made me think it was surveillance on the property.

 

[Canchance]

A place she loved & he hated, or a place she hated and he loved! Exactly. Either, but a place with a message. And IMO , Jennifer is intact. I m not sold yet on a dismemberment.

Tannery skills or not, I’m not seeing this action as something FDplanned for, or could carry out.

Consider the scene at JDs house in NC. If he planned on dismemberment there, he would have brought necessary tools and supplies. Because of the evidence found, it’s clear he did not try to mask the blood spillage, so he did not plan for dismemberment-at least there. And he would have wanted to be in and out of there ASAP.

So next we can consider he moved her quickly, and had his tools prestaged elsewhere. Maybe it was at the house where the loud banging was heard. Perhaps he took art to park and then moved her to the house and immediately continued his plan , or went back in the morning.
I believe there are 2 reasons that this did not occur. One FD told us himself in his interview- he knows that they always look at the husband in scenarios like these. He knew he would be a suspect, but he didn’t know how quickly JD disappearance would be discovered. I don’t think he could run the risk of having her at another location for any amount of time.
My second reason is simply, dismembering a body is not an easy task: emotionally or physically. I’m assuming FD is not a serial killer and has never done this before. I’m not going into detail, but I’ve done quite a few human dissections and separating any parts from a body is complex and a difficult experience. Add fear or discovery, panic, and hysteri, and even though seeming a sociopath, I don’t think a first time dismemberment occurred.
So, that said, I don’t think he moved her to where he would be immediately investigated and IMO he did not dismember her.

Brings me back to JDs house in NC

He did not have to travel with her from and risk discovery. He needed to be gone fast, so he killed her, and left her there. He knew he would be looked at, so why take her to one of his properties.
She wanted to be there, and he hated her for it.

Could she still be there?

What normal building supplies, that wouldn’t raise any suspicion, could have been brought over in the workers red truck?
Cement. Dry wall. Cement. Chemicals. Shovels. ...

Good thoughts. I can’t even remember now, how well did they search JD’s property and surrounding woods and neighbors yards there ?

 

[ajksmom]

When was JDs trash picked up?

 

[Daisyeve]

I know some people think FD is confident that the body won’t be found so are there signs that he feels that way? I have felt like he seemed nervous but that may be just my thought of how he should be.

I thought FD might be feeling confident because of the emphasis on what a great parent he is and how he misses the children in the propaganda letters and NP articles recently released. He seems to be gearing up for a custody battle that he thinks he is entitled to win. Also Have seen FD’s niece and I think cousin showing up and thought he is getting them in place To show family support etc. If JD’s body is found it will certainly change public opinion concerning his great parenting skills. This is such a sad , horrible time for JD’s family.