Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #24

[oceancalling]

Thank you for this. Do judges consider personality disorders? Can an expert witness come in and say what you’ve just said?

Not during the guilt portion of the trial. while the jury will certainly be made aware of his conduct, evidence of his 'character' is not generally admissible, with some exceptions. Just the facts, as they say.

It is a different ballgame at sentencing, where the judge has wide discretion in deciding what to hear. If this were a capital case, evidence of aggravating and mitigating factors would be presented by both sides. You would hear from experts about all kinds of things about Dulos.

Even with no death penalty, sentencing hearings can get quite lengthy. Even at sentencing, though, the judge is limited by the rules of evidence. Most likely this type of evidence would come from a forensic psychologist who testify Dulos exhibits the characteristics of a person suffering from a personality disorder.

Of course, then Dr. Dollars would testify that Dulos "is not a psychopath" and that would set all of our minds at ease. Not. Fortunately, the judge who heard the arguments on the gag order appears capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff, so I doubt Dr. Dollars is going to help much by that point in time.

 

[afitzy]

I’m not going to go over the puppy with rabies thing again during my veterinary-technician years for the sake of us all but from that incident and it was only one item, I can promise you that it’s a lot harder to do physically than you’d think (try not to) and it’s far beyond that in surreal horror. I’d done that work for years and was unbothered by surgeries, animal injuries, etc. by then (not at first—I’d feel faint) but this was entirely different. The vet was bothered, too. A friend of mine owns a butcher shop and I’m like HOW but I think it’s acclimation.

One new thought: When I was at the vet’s (same one) the other day, he was in surgery and told his receptionist to tell me to come on back. It’s been years since I worked there and yet it still didn’t bother me at all to stand there in the midst of the surgery, blood and organs and all. I could have assisted if he’d needed it—like it all came back to me. So I wonder if FD was ever exposed to the tanning work as it was down in Greece and he is “unbothered” by such things still although this is entirely different. Hmmm. MOO.

Yes, so with you on acclimation! Food processing and medical fields share this in common IME. I will never forget seeing a processed meat processing plant or even a hog or cattle yard/lot for the first time. Nope. Blood, feces and smells are imprinted on your brain. Will never forget it, even though I spent alot of time around it.

But I also grew up with a corner butcher and seeing whole animals brought in for butchering so little about the food preparation business surprised me other than the amount of blood. Now I read trade info about how millennials and younger folks don't like touching meat and so processing is gradually changing to accommodate this issue! Not sure how these folks would feel visiting where their highly packaged meat comes from!

MOO

 

[thekirbyfamily]

Oh somehow I missed the slapping of the parking attendant! We're they male or female and did they press charges?

I have always wondered if charges were pressed and because of it he was known to NYPD/NCPD, etc. which, in addition to the scene in JD's garage, helped lead to the quick response (silver alert, hiring of guards by GF). Moo.

 

[oceancalling]

flabbergasted we will be, right on. Saw another
real crime show that described some new chemical that brings footprints to light in areas
that had already been cleaned of blood.
Show said most (dumb) criminals think if they
swab up the blood on the floor, it's cleaned up
and invisible but in real life if they step in that
area after cleaning they still leave a great foot
print which is easily liftable with this new black
chemical. Sounds like something that could have happened here.
So do they have the shoes/boots that he wore for the murder? How about his clothes or coverings?
Personally I think we need to throw out as evidence everything that can't be proven except
for cameras and phones. everything else could be fabricated information.
mT and FD were not seen inside the MS house.
They were in the driveway when EE arrived.
No proof they ever stopped for lunch.
Still wonder about the time arrived back at MS
due to the faulty time clock on neighbor's camera. Unless they tested it a dozen times was it ALWAYS 1hour and 10min. off being accurate?
Again why was he not videoed after I-84 and Rt. 8 intersection?
If she was dismembered and bagged in NC, there are other open trash dumps on the way
home. He had time to plan all this so he had time to get a permit or sticker for the windshield. There's a large dump off Rt. 72 in
Terryville that takes all kinds of junk, animal carcasses too. Just a few miles from I-84 and Rt. 8 and still on the way to MS.
LE thinks FD left JC by going through the back
woods at some point and so does MT apparently.
The locals (several) have reported seeing him in the area behind JC w/ backpak and shovel.
We have lots of blanks to fill in on his travels.

Regarding the stomach it takes to dismember a
body. First we are not dealing with a normal
human brain here. After all he did kill her.
Go back to my discussion on the types of brains
and the emotional IQ of certain people.
FD was a Math guy = attracted to numbers and
not emotional things (feelings). In my simplistic description he was a "things" person.
His brain was wired for this not emotional
thinking or feelings.
We, who have more emotional brain wiring have more propensity for feelings, and may not be great at math. Why? because our brain is
not strong in those areas. Math and feelings
operate out of different parts of the brain.
Remember FD is a straight math guy. No feelings.
For a guy like FD cutting up and killing is similar to chopping up a log. There were NO
feelings or emotions involved. It was a job.
Like his marriage, there were NO feelings involved. His life consisted of emotionally detached tasks to accomplish a goal. Make JD
go away, disappear. So what if there's blood.
This guy is like a robot- no feelings- it's a task.
the only time we will see feelings on his face is
when he is caught and not getting away w/ the crime. He will then offer up some fake emotions for himself. Not for others at all.
He is a detached emotionless freak. A malignant narcissist.

I agree, but I also think things got way more real than he ever thought they would. This wasn't a quick situation from the looks of it and I bet when he was in the middle of it his human emotions and physical reactions kicked it.

IMO he was capable of anything when it came to Jennifer. He also wore expensive Gucci loafers to active construction sites, so he definitely did not like to get his shoes dirty. Those two conflicting parts of his personality would have been on full display during the commission of this crime.

Since I believed he had planned this murder for at least some period of time and since he seems to have been a big fan of gore, though, he could have mentally prepared himself for his post-mortem activities. Heck, he might even had enjoyed them, the sick b******.

 

[enelram]

Yes, so with you on acclimation! Food processing and medical fields share this in common IME. I will never forget seeing a processed meat processing plant or even a hog or cattle yard/lot for the first time. Nope. Blood, feces and smells are imprinted on your brain. Will never forget it, even though I spent alot of time around it.

But I also grew up with a corner butcher and seeing whole animals brought in for butchering so little about the food preparation business surprised me other than the amount of blood. Now I read trade info about how millennials and younger folks don't like touching meat and so processing is gradually changing to accommodate this issue! Not sure how these folks would feel visiting where their highly packaged meat comes from!

MOO

Many people who work in animal slaughtering facilities are similar to some farmers where
they view the animals as livestock and a product to be processed and eaten.
But the other side of the coin is when people
raise the animal themselves and get to realize
just as we do with dogs and cats as pets, that
'livestock' also have brains and feelings.
When you keep a cow or horse or even chickens or pigs, you get to know the animals'
personalities and their attachment to you the caregiver can be quite strong and affectionate
and endearing.
I've had chickens for eggs and of course they became entertaining pets who come running across the barnyard when they see you or you call them. Could I slaughter them to eat when they get too old to lay eggs? Never. Thank goodness the foxes or coyotes usually get them first or I'd have a bunch of elderly, senile chickens around.
Same w/ larger animals. I witnessed hog killings as a youngster on a farm, but I could never undertake that myself. I'd go vegan first.
I suppose it's what you're accustomed to and how you view the animals.

 

[Tink56]

Not during the guilt portion of the trial. while the jury will certainly be made aware of his conduct, evidence of his 'character' is not generally admissible, with some exceptions. Just the facts, as they say.

It is a different ballgame at sentencing, where the judge has wide discretion in deciding what to hear. If this were a capital case, evidence of aggravating and mitigating factors would be presented by both sides. You would hear from experts about all kinds of things about Dulos.

Even with no death penalty, sentencing hearings can get quite lengthy. Even at sentencing, though, the judge is limited by the rules of evidence. Most likely this type of evidence would come from a forensic psychologist who testify Dulos exhibits the characteristics of a person suffering from a personality disorder.

Of course, then Dr. Dollars would testify that Dulos "is not a psychopath" and that would set all of our minds at ease. Not. Fortunately, the judge who heard the arguments on the gag order appears capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff, so I doubt Dr. Dollars is going to help much by that point in time.

From your quote above....BBM...

Not during the guilt portion of the trial. while the jury will certainly be made aware of his conduct, evidence of his 'character' is not generally admissible, with some exceptions. Just the facts, as they say.

I really hate it during a trial when they have sidebars about whether something is "Probative or Prejudicial."

You gave a great explanation and why all the character issues concerning FD probably won't enter the trial phase of this case....SIGH! MOO​

 

[Svyt]

You know what really spooks me?
His time spent at Welles Lane.
She lived in a rental house.
How could he know that a workman wouldn't show up to fix something?
In my neighborhood we are constantly inundated with lawn workers.
How did he know they wouldn't arrive?
What made him so sure the cleaning lady wouldn't show up early?
How did he get so lucky?
He spent 2 plus hours there!
MOO.

Lucky or premeditation. Knowing exactly when to strike.

 

[pandaknows]

Because the lawyer didn't know what in the heck he was doing! He was trying to get a criminal defense lawyer on the phone (and probably did, which is why he shut the interview down).

Let's all thank the universe for the gift of the sleazy divorce lawyer. As Dulos stressed in that second interview, he voluntarily turned over that phone and the passcode in the presence of his lawyer, who made no objection to the request. Motion to suppress evidence of cell phone search DENIED.

Pardon me if this has already been discussed, I skim and miss postings here and there. AW2 noted an Apple iPhone X and a redacted description of a cellphone. In any case, a search warrant was obtained, not for Apple data, which is encrypted in the cloud, but for the cellphone carrier's data. IMO the cellphone carrier provided the pings to LE. IMO, GPS locations are tracked by cell phone towers. Cell phone carrier needs to know what towers your phone is near to route calls to your phone. 3+ towers and it is a simple math problem to triangulate location of phone. LE didn't need the Apple iPhone X to locate FD on Albany Ave. However, IMO, by unlocking the Apple iPhone X, LE could just read as many emails and texts as quickly as possible before the phone locks again or prompts for password. IMO, LE knows some cool info about who FD's associates are. So don't bother lying to LE, they already know if you and FD are in cahoots. You Rock NCPD investigator who asked for the Apple iPhone X to be unlocked - because LE can ask suspect to unlock phone; LE just can't ask for the password (someone let me know if the law has changed about that because it evolves so quickly). Someone please bill FD for this info.

On an unrelated note, I watched the full Atty Richard Weinstein interview and give him my thumbs up for the foreclosure of 4JX strategy - most expertise in area of practice demonstrated on this case so far. Kudos to BNY Mellon for working with GF on the assumption of the note and mortgage on 4JX. I think BNY Mellon did the transfer at market (or to GF's advantage) and in doing so, preserved BNY Mellon's reputation as a trustworthy banking institution to the 1% (Rule #1: you don't screw your 1% clients over). Now, back to 61 Sturbridge Hill. Correct me if I am wrong, but The Savings Bank of Danbury holds the first mortgage, was it $500,000 and has been paying the property taxes, right? Then the other 2 private mortgagees ($100k each?) Then comes GF's $500k default judgment lien. Then the trade liens. Maybe IRS and CT State tax liens at the top of the food chain. At a $1.5 mm market value (we can't really tell what the vultures will bid), nothing left after auction and costs I would say. Didn't find much on the Dept of Banking CT website - "mutual savings bank" privately held so no SEC filings? FDIC website says that their New York office does the examination but no public documents filed that I could find in two minutes on Google. The President has many years of experience in banking and is a well-known patron of local community fund raising events, apparently. But the President's CV is kind of skimpy. No other work experience other than at The Savings Bank of Danbury as far as I could tell. This worries me. But the private owners of The Savings Bank of Danbury should be worried about how their customers view the bank's concern for the community. Justice for Jennifer likely precludes positively cash flowing on your investment or even the return of capital invested at this point. MOO.

 

[MDATCA]

Because he has several dry runs IMO. I also begin to wonder about his supervised visit with the children at her house earlier that week. It was reported that the visit occurred their because of their school schedule. Now I am wondering how that location came to be decided. I think he may have done something during that visit to make his entry into her garage possible, or at least easier.

If he wasn't in the garage by the time Jennifer returned home from dropping the kids off from home, he was hidden very nearby. Once those garage door closed, no one could see anything from the outside. Also, neighborhoods like that are different. Yes, everyone has cameras, but at the same time, residents really like their privacy, so things go unnoticed.

I believe this murder was planned over a period of time. Dulos knew when that cleaning lady was going to show up IMO and he may have even known Jennifer was supposed to be going into the city that day. He couldn't eliminate every risk, but he did not go into that garage without some pre-knowledge IMO.

If I recall correctly the garage had 3 bays with separate doors. I wonder if he didnt take an opener when he was there on May 22 and returned it on the 24th. If it was the one in her Porsche or on a work bench she may not have noticed in that day or 2. He could easily grabbed it under the rose of getting sports equiptment and toys out with the kids.

 

[afitzy]

Not during the guilt portion of the trial. while the jury will certainly be made aware of his conduct, evidence of his 'character' is not generally admissible, with some exceptions. Just the facts, as they say.

It is a different ballgame at sentencing, where the judge has wide discretion in deciding what to hear. If this were a capital case, evidence of aggravating and mitigating factors would be presented by both sides. You would hear from experts about all kinds of things about Dulos.

Even with no death penalty, sentencing hearings can get quite lengthy. Even at sentencing, though, the judge is limited by the rules of evidence. Most likely this type of evidence would come from a forensic psychologist who testify Dulos exhibits the characteristics of a person suffering from a personality disorder.

Of course, then Dr. Dollars would testify that Dulos "is not a psychopath" and that would set all of our minds at ease. Not. Fortunately, the judge who heard the arguments on the gag order appears capable of sorting the wheat from the chaff, so I doubt Dr. Dollars is going to help much by that point in time.

@oceancalling, have you reviewed the Judge Blawie order on the "gag"? Curious about your thoughts.

IMO it seemed like Judge Blawie understood perfectly what has been happening in this case (both Pattis and LE) and worked within the confines of existing laws on the books to create a solution. He had to be somewhat creative I thought as book law hasn't really seemed to keep pace with technology and social media!

Wonder if No Case Norm might be successful with is appeal fight of the order but I guess it might just depend who hears it at the Appellate level.

MOO

 

[oceancalling]

You might 'enjoy' the Family Court transcripts that Weinstein included in one of the latest civil court motions as an attachment (think there were 28 pages or so).

To me it looked like the former divorce atty was in on the submission of FD financial info to the court but what was also shocking to me (not really) was that FD would make these financial submissions to the court (eg net worth of $348,000 to family court vs $4,000,000 on statements to the bank), knowing that JD atty had copies of his statements that were sent to the bank in order to get loans for FORE.

Then you get into the issue of the accountants not auditing the books and records of FORE so they just compiled the stmts and it looks like the only person that 'knew' what was up with the money (no surprise) was FD as he was the only person doing Quickbooks. Given what we know about FD offloading work to everyone else in the FORE operation, I was amused there was no abused bookkeeper in this sad situation. But I guess if you are going to conduct busines like FD then that wouldn't have been an option perhaps!

I really wonder what if anything Farmington Bank/Peoples Bank has done to investigate this situation as it on the surface looks quite shady IMO.

MOO

I read those partial transcripts. He and his lawyer were definitely trying to evade Dulos' legal responsibility to proved financial accurate information to Jennifer's lawyer and to the family court. IMO Dulos had a real shell game going on, and his lawyer knew it. His evasion was on full display.

Dulos saw the divorce as a battle he must WIN. I believe his lawyer encouraged that idea, just like Pattis is seems to be telling Dulos what he wants to hear now. I believe we are going to hear that Dulos knew his financial fraud was in the process of being exposed. That certainty really took him over the edge at some point. Divorce lawyer was doing everything possible to cover for Dulos, but that couldn't last forever.

Most lawyers would have insisted on honest compliance with his discovery obligations from the very beginning of the divorce. Even among the wealthy, it isn't that difficult to prepare a truthful financial affidavit.The fact that his lawyer seemed to encourage (based on my reading of those transcripts) Dulos' bad behavior is a reflection on both Dulos and his lawyer.

I wonder if the lawyer will ever question his encouragement of Dulos' bad behavior, which reinforced his client's mindset of "poor me","I am the real victim","I love my kids so much I am willing to do anything for them","Jennifer is a heroin addict, crazy, an unfit mother", etc. It was precisely this type of thinking that Dulos used to justify this murder.

Perhaps when he and Dulos were alone, the lawyer was insisting Dulos follow the court's orders and provide truthful information, but somehow I don't think so. IMO that attorney has much to atone for as the result of his conduct in the divorce case, but I doubt he will give it a second thought. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Is there some reason I've missed that no one thinks that FD could have used chemicals to decompose her body? He just doesn't seem like he would want to be covered in blood if he could help it. I think there may have been injury as a part of the attack for which FD hadn't planned. Perhaps he grabbed her and she fell on the concrete floor in the garage. Head wounds always seem to bleed profusely.

This is way outside of any my knowledge, but both acid and lye could be used and the remains placed in an abandoned well on one of his properties.

I'm just exploring ideas...From the Slate article: By adding water to lye and heating the lye to 300 degrees, the body could dissolve in 3 hours. If the lye isn't heated that high it might take a few hours longer....
Acid seems to take longer, but if water is added to acid, all body tissue and muscle would dissolve in 12 hours. Bones take longer. (My search history is going to be interesting after this is over....)

What Happens When a Dead Body Is Dissolved in Lye?
How Hard Is it to Dissolve a Body?
How long does it take to dissolve a human body?

We did go over this in an earlier thread or two. You can make your search history even more interesting by searching here for words like lye! Truly, it was fascinating! He absolutely could have done it in MOO. As I recall, one source said “stuff” remains if it’s a closed system but if he put it in a well that’s not abandoned properly, that would apply. If he did that and put it in a water well (not a groundwater-monitoring well) that’s used for drinking, that would have risks that surely he would not want to take if only for self-preservation. An operating water well would a spectacularly bad idea. Of course, this is FD so I can’t presume to know! MOO!

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I went to the reservoirs about 6:10 PM EST to look around. There was an MDC officer stopping people at the entrance but he did let me go in after explaining they would be closing in just about an hour.

I told the officer I had never been there before and asked if I could drive around the various reservoirs. He said cars were only permitted in the designated parking area. Aside from that it was walking, running, and bicycling, except where it's marked not to, and he got a brochure with a map for me from his vehicle. I find the water tanks north of 4JC and just below Kilkenney Rock interesting as I think there would have to be roads to get to them.

As I headed toward the parking area the first thing I came to was something called the Demonstration Forest.

There were several cameras around the parking area and at the trail beginnings.

All of the trails I saw off of the parking area were big enough to accommodate vehicles and they all had barricades to keep this from happening. The second barricade photo is of the trail you would need to take to get to reservoir 3, the one closest to 4JC, notice how thick and absolute pitch black it is in those woods?

Now for what scared the you know what out of me...when I left the reservoir property I decided to drive to the next surface street to see if I could tell where the reservoir property ended. The first road I came to was Old Mountain Road and I turned right. I followed it past a small residential area known as Oakland Acres and then saw the fence at the edge of the MDC property. As I drove along looking at this fence, I saw an opening that wasn't locked and was just sitting wide open. This peaked my curiosity because I was about a 1/4mile from where you would turn onto Ely Road to go to 4JC and I thought of FD using something like this. I mean, if this one is just sitting there open like that, how many others along the rest of the property edge are too? I then said to myself "I should take a picture of that to post" and I looked in my rear view mirror to see if anyone was behind me. There wasn't so I quickly put it into reverse and started backing up. The next time I looked I saw there was now a vehicle on the road behind me but it was a good distance back and I couldn't make out what type of vehicle it was. So I hurried up, pulled off the road in front of the open gate as best I could, and put my emergency flashers on. It was at this moment in my peripheral vision that I saw a very nice, newer, polished black truck pulling up slowly next to my car. I freaked out thinking it was you know who or that he had recognized my car from my other excursions around his stomping grounds. Thankfully it wasn't FD and the very nice gentleman left after asking if I was okay and/or if I needed help but boy oh boy did it scare me good!

Dear heavens! You are very intrepid, brave, and a great photographer but you are worrying me! Demonstration Forest sounds very interesting and all of this is so helpful but please, please be careful!

 

[enelram]

Gruesome thoughts following- read at your own risk.
I keep thinking about LE apparently following their thinking that the body ended up at the landfill. Not just any landfill but the one in Hartford. I believe they've zeroed in on only this one for very good reasons.
forget the reservoir searches for a minute, because of local chatter that LE didn't believe those were really valid in the beginning but were
pretty much forced to search there because of tips.
So why is/was MIRA their target? I wonder if
one or more locals on Albany Ave. spotted pkgs. wrapped like meat in the trash there
and because of smell or condition didn't handle those packages but reported them to LE,
but it was too late, those pkgs. had already gone to MIRA.
Isn't it possible that with all the things seen in the trash by locals- knife, bloody pillow, sponges, mops, t-shirt, bra- that LE must have
good evidence that they missed out on the important pkgs/evidence- the body parts.
And because we really aren't getting a lot of direct evidence info from LE. they're holding this back til trial. MIRA really is/was their primary focus.

 

[Jmoose]

Lucky or premeditation. Knowing exactly when to strike.

If it was luck, then he got pretty lucky that morning-not running into the housekeeper, for one example. Unless he spent the night prior to the murder in NC, he got lucky that he didn’t hit some traffic driving down that morning and miss his window of opportunity. He got lucky that nobody came to Jennifer’s house while he was there. Funny-he may have left that to chance, but in the part where he planned things-having and keeping EE/PG’s Tacoma, he was unlucky. He, I think, meant to use that truck to dispose of everything Jennifer-related, but was forced to use his own truck to do so. I guess he didn’t think he needed any luck with EE/PG; it never occurred to him that he wouldn’t be able to easily convince his employee to use the much newer and nicer Raptor for the weekend.

 

[thekirbyfamily]

Dear heavens! You are very intrepid, brave, and a great photographer but you are worrying me! Demonstration Forest sounds very interesting and all of this is so helpful but please, please be careful!

I'm hanging up my investigative boots for a while after that scare with the black pickup.

 

[Curious in CT]

Reservoir 3 trail is creepy!
You are brave, @thekirbyfamily ! Be Careful!

I went to the reservoirs about 6:10 PM EST to look around. There was an MDC officer stopping people at the entrance but he did let me go in after explaining they would be closing in just about an hour.

I told the officer I had never been there before and asked if I could drive around the various reservoirs. He said cars were only permitted in the designated parking area. Aside from that it was walking, running, and bicycling, except where it's marked not to, and he got a brochure with a map for me from his vehicle. I find the water tanks north of 4JC and just below Kilkenney Rock interesting as I think there would have to be roads to get to them.

As I headed toward the parking area the first thing I came to was something called the Demonstration Forest.

There were several cameras around the parking area and at the trail beginnings.

All of the trails I saw off of the parking area were big enough to accommodate vehicles and they all had barricades to keep this from happening. The second barricade photo is of the trail you would need to take to get to reservoir 3, the one closest to 4JC, notice how thick and absolute pitch black it is in those woods?

Now for what scared the you know what out of me...when I left the reservoir property I decided to drive to the next surface street to see if I could tell where the reservoir property ended. The first road I came to was Old Mountain Road and I turned right. I followed it past a small residential area known as Oakland Acres and then saw the fence at the edge of the MDC property. As I drove along looking at this fence, I saw an opening that wasn't locked and was just sitting wide open. This peaked my curiosity because I was about a 1/4mile from where you would turn onto Ely Road to go to 4JC and I thought of FD using something like this. I mean, if this one is just sitting there open like that, how many others along the rest of the property edge are too? I then said to myself "I should take a picture of that to post" and I looked in my rear view mirror to see if anyone was behind me. There wasn't so I quickly put it into reverse and started backing up. The next time I looked I saw there was now a vehicle on the road behind me but it was a good distance back and I couldn't make out what type of vehicle it was. So I hurried up, pulled off the road in front of the open gate as best I could, and put my emergency flashers on. It was at this moment in my peripheral vision that I saw a very nice, newer, polished black truck pulling up slowly next to my car. I freaked out thinking it was you know who or that he had recognized my car from my other excursions around his stomping grounds. Thankfully it wasn't FD and the very nice gentleman left after asking if I was okay and/or if I needed help but boy oh boy did it scare me good!

 

[Svyt]

Sad to be in a holding pattern but I maintain faith in LE; it is personal to them and if someone mis-sang mis-led regarding this last search, lord help them.

While in wait and not much help in timelines, you beches (beyond endearingly said) who do them and everything else are the grandest of lights when it’s dim, can’t thank you enough.

Maybe it’s been done here but a cursory search on Greek crime rates, in an effort to maybe come across a case or two where a Method was beyond stealth, and not discounting all other countries that might have stealth murder criminals, this is NOT a racist look up but rather if Dulos had ties to Greece and was inspired by a particular murder...ok but where I was going was I noticed their rates are low. Like below Japan low (which could be a per capital thing for sure). It made me think of how say accidentally backing over a person in a car, how that is categorized. But mostly I was trying to find a notorious case where a method was used that someone ALMOST got away with the crime. I hate the thought of chemicals, but have wondered. Tangentially, contractors are aware of all kinds of solvents and things and methods.

At my side hustle today I will certainly keep looking when things are slow...in the case and at work.

Thank you WS. For those who have difficulty with timelines and the other various levels of brilliance here, I for one have an immense amount of respect and love in my heart for you.

Let peace somehow come to Jennifer’s children, mother and family from your energy and efforts.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I went to the reservoirs about 6:10 PM EST to look around. There was an MDC officer stopping people at the entrance but he did let me go in after explaining they would be closing in just about an hour.

I told the officer I had never been there before and asked if I could drive around the various reservoirs. He said cars were only permitted in the designated parking area. Aside from that it was walking, running, and bicycling, except where it's marked not to, and he got a brochure with a map for me from his vehicle. I find the water tanks north of 4JC and just below Kilkenney Rock interesting as I think there would have to be roads to get to them.

As I headed toward the parking area the first thing I came to was something called the Demonstration Forest.

There were several cameras around the parking area and at the trail beginnings.

All of the trails I saw off of the parking area were big enough to accommodate vehicles and they all had barricades to keep this from happening. The second barricade photo is of the trail you would need to take to get to reservoir 3, the one closest to 4JC, notice how thick and absolute pitch black it is in those woods?

Now for what scared the you know what out of me...when I left the reservoir property I decided to drive to the next surface street to see if I could tell where the reservoir property ended. The first road I came to was Old Mountain Road and I turned right. I followed it past a small residential area known as Oakland Acres and then saw the fence at the edge of the MDC property. As I drove along looking at this fence, I saw an opening that wasn't locked and was just sitting wide open. This peaked my curiosity because I was about a 1/4mile from where you would turn onto Ely Road to go to 4JC and I thought of FD using something like this. I mean, if this one is just sitting there open like that, how many others along the rest of the property edge are too? I then said to myself "I should take a picture of that to post" and I looked in my rear view mirror to see if anyone was behind me. There wasn't so I quickly put it into reverse and started backing up. The next time I looked I saw there was now a vehicle on the road behind me but it was a good distance back and I couldn't make out what type of vehicle it was. So I hurried up, pulled off the road in front of the open gate as best I could, and put my emergency flashers on. It was at this moment in my peripheral vision that I saw a very nice, newer, polished black truck pulling up slowly next to my car. I freaked out thinking it was you know who or that he had recognized my car from my other excursions around his stomping grounds. Thankfully it wasn't FD and the very nice gentleman left after asking if I was okay and/or if I needed help but boy oh boy did it scare me good!

Remember that others read here, too, so please don’t post to all where you’re going before you go—but tell someone and keep your phone recording and hopefully uploading to the cloud (and tell a trusted friend the password just in case) if you see anyone. I don’t use the function with 10 wrong password attempts and then it erases. My personal thought is that having two cell phones—even one not usually used now as they still will call 911 if charged—would be useful in that if you did have an issue, you could throw one in the brush and the person then has to go find it or risk leaving it when the person doesn’t know what might be on it. And then the person might leave you alone! I tell my kids all this, too, and they LOVE my warnings and nagging, let me assure you! Ha! Just take care and listen to your intuition! MOO!

 

[citygirl]

Gruesome thoughts following- read at your own risk.
I keep thinking about LE apparently following their thinking that the body ended up at the landfill. Not just any landfill but the one in Hartford. I believe they've zeroed in on only this one for very good reasons.
forget the reservoir searches for a minute, because of local chatter that LE didn't believe those were really valid in the beginning but were
pretty much forced to search there because of tips.
So why is/was MIRA their target? I wonder if
one or more locals on Albany Ave. spotted pkgs. wrapped like meat in the trash there
and because of smell or condition didn't handle those packages but reported them to LE,
but it was too late, those pkgs. had already gone to MIRA.
Isn't it possible that with all the things seen in the trash by locals- knife, bloody pillow, sponges, mops, t-shirt, bra- that LE must have
good evidence that they missed out on the important pkgs/evidence- the body parts.
And because we really aren't getting a lot of direct evidence info from LE. they're holding this back til trial. MIRA really is/was their primary focus.

BINGO.