Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #28

[HopeForTheBest]

I actually had to read this article twice to understand the substance of the HC argument against the Judge Blawie Gag order.

Then the light bulb went off.

Then I had a huge LAUGH! And then I simply kept on LAUGHING! And I've been laughing about this all afternoon.

Cry me a river for reporters/reposters that either don't have the skill or basic know how to actually do their jobs absent 'quotes' and 'tips' from 'insiders' to the JD Case. What a bunch of unskilled bush league whiners we see at the HC as they are losing the 'ratings game' in the JD and other cases simply due to the lack of skills of their so called 'investigative reporters/reposters'. So, rather than sharpening their game and actually doing some real investigative work they come up with the brilliant idea (possibly suggested by Atty P. over drinks in Hartford) to file an amicus brief.

BIG YAWN.

IMO its all absolutely pathetic and a telling tribute to the sorry state of journalism IMO.

The HC wasn't on point IMO on the Dulos story because IMO it did zero work to actually delve into the story and spend the time reading documents to actually develop a narrative APART from the narrative supplied to them by Atty P. that was simply plunked down in their laps. IMO it was almost total reliance on 'tips' and 'leaks'. Great game if you can get it, but other papers manage to do just fine thank you!

I guess I would be mad too if things were working great in my little work scam as a reporter and I got a couple of tips a week from Atty P. and others and then pounded out an article or two and was able to make it home for a baseball or soccer game too, all without breaking a sweat. LIFE IS SWEET and SO SO EASY! So so much easier to complain to the courts to overturn a 'gag order' than actually do their jobs IMO.

What a bunch of whiney wimps! There is so much information available in the Dulos case that is typically not there in so many other cases happening in CT IMO. The idea that the reporters/reposters at the HC can't figure out a way forward amidst challenges to me at least simply shows them for what we knew them to be!

IMO its all quite sad that this is what 'journalism' has come to, reporters/reposters that cannot do their jobs the old fashioned way by doing research and developing leads and god forbid actually leaving their offices to chase down good ole leads and developing sources and actually doing something/anything other than what is repeated to them 'SOTTO VOCE' by the likes of Atty P. (who still doesn't have a case IMO no matter how many 'tips' he leaks to DA!) .

If we folks here at WS needed any further proof as to exactly 'how' the HC reporters/aka reposters such as Dave Altimari 'get' their scoops then this latest legal move to file an 'amicus brief' to the Appellate Court proves to me how exactly the HC 'reposters' actually do their jobs or IMO NOT!

I'm surprised that the HC got sucked into the 'overturn the gag order train' devised by Atty. P. who IMO is another 'professional - loosely defined at best' that simply doesn't want to do the hard and very real work in court of defending their client. Nope, Atty. P. seems to see himself as a some kind of closeted talk show host wannabe with a compulsive need to simply spew victim shaming untruths and other assorted untruths distributed indiscriminately to the press using an 'exclusive of the day' tactic to the likes DA at the HC and others.

Absolutely pathetic IMO. Only suggestion I have to the HC is work the story of JD going missing and possibly murdered the old fashioned way. The story is there for you if you want to work it. But I'm not so sure you all have the chops to work it unfortunately.

MOO

You said it all; real journalists will be horrified to hear about this! In the morning, I’ll ask my friends who are in that field and who take such pains to do their own research and to avoid conflicts of interest about this—and prepare to hear volleys of disgust. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I don't believe FD is smarter than all of us! IME people that believe they are the 'smartest in the room' rarely are and the brilliance for us is that we have two such 'smarty pants' folks hooked up together in the form of Atty. P. and FD. Its a match made to implode and so we just have to sit and wait as it will eventually go up in flames IMO! It just might take longer than most of us have the patience to watch unfortunately!

IMO they will eventually implode in failure but sadly we will be forced to watch it play out in foolish motions, blustering courtroom antics based on zero substance, rudeness/lack of civility, ill advised PR moves such as speaking to the Greek press or doing 'live' scripted interviews etc. I mean how many bar violations has Atty P. racked up thus far in this case before something gets done by a Judge somewhere? Judge Heller did zero IMO to publicly spank Pattis and she did not report him to the CT Bar for releasing a sealed psych report and continue to speak about it publicly so far as I am aware. That situation told me everything I need to know about Judge Heller and while it made me sad that this goes on in CT, I'm a realist and figure its par for the course amongst Family Court Judges in CT that want to stay a part of the system based on cronyism.

IMO the Pattis/FD show is total train wreck and sadly sometimes its hard to look away but it becomes simple to look away and not pay it any attention when you realise its pure fabricated nonsense as the Atty P. case (such as a it is) is sitting on pillars of sand! IMO there is little to no substance to any of the 'alternative theories' put forward by Atty P. and right now his performance to date pretty much looks like a garbage segment on SNL that is tossed out by the Producers because, "it simply makes no sense and it isn't even funny" and they say this after they bemoan rehearsing the segment 3 times!

Atty P. has zero IMO to base a case upon and so is fighting to the death to lift the 'gag order' because he simply sees no other way through dark clouds and fog surrounding his client other than talking endlessly to the Press. Atty. P and FD can't even get on the same page about MT as one day she is the 'lying lover' and the next 'we have hope that she will tell the truth'. If they are both waiting for an avowed and proven liar like amoral MT to 'wake up and smell the coffee' and tell the truth then I've got a long bridge over San Franciso Bay to sell them (great price BTW!).

I do believe that someone will eventually write a law school case about this sorry situation with Atty. P and FD and title it, "How NOT to defend a client" or perhaps "How to defend a client and lose brilliantly"!

Relative to the murder of JD, IMO FD did what he usually does which is put a plan in place (to do away with JD) and executed it. I am very curious about how long FD and MT took to actually create their plan? My guess is FD took his time and realised that timing would be critical. I can just imagine a clown atty like KM telling FD, "Fotis, they will never convict you of murder if they can't find the body"! So, FD being FD no doubt came up with some crazy way to hide the body of JD. Will LE find the body of JD? IDK. But my guess is that they might have found parts of it and have amassed enough blood evidence through a lot of good old fashioned police work to prove that she was murdered by FD and MT, and possibly other/s.

MOO

For many reasons, I am very sure that FD is not smarter than any of us or LE but in the interest of work I need to do, I’ll offer this to illustrate: None of us and no truly intelligent person would ever think that a person could get away with this crime—and FD hasn’t and won’t. Just my personal experiences but as afitzy said, all of the brilliant people I’ve ever known or read about in diverse fields were very aware that they had much still to learn. Simply put, believing that oneself is smarter than everyone else pretty much shows that you aren’t that smart at all. Believing that you are smarter than the combined brainpower of LE and WS is absurd and, frankly, statistically—never mind logically—very unlikely. FD and NP act as though they are invincible, as seen in the way they both test the limits again and again, standing on the edge of the cliff and thinking smugly, even joyfully, that they are immune to the literal and figurative laws of the land—right up to the moment they fall and fall hard. All just MOO but I believe it. The karma school buses came already, and the karma train is on its way, I feel sure. Until this case, I had no idea how many lakes and woods CT has—and FD had like 400 giant houses and properties at his—no pun intended—disposal. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

MT can list it at whatever price she wants but, it hasn’t sold .
Why ?
Nothing has been updated .
Time capsule from the year it was built .

Is she as stubborn as FD and won’t drop the price .

Yeesh . They must have the same broker .

Perhaps she doesn’t actually want it to sell for some complicated financial-scam type reason I cannot fathom. No idea! MOO.

 

[Midwestmom2019]

Thanks .
Which might result in ??

Fines and jail.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

I just keep thinking about the FD 'interview' with the Greek press. What was so brilliant about the entire interview was that it could actually be Exhibits A-Z to demonstrate to the Appellate Judges precisely why a 'gag order' is so very much needed in this case.

I can actually picture Atty. P and FD figuring out precisely how many provisions of the 'gag order' and 'no contact order' they managed to violate by just doing one or 2 articles.

The entire situation with the 'gag order appeal' was so ridiculous that I stupidly sat down and went through the Greek articles and stacked up the FD statements against the Judge Blawie 'gag order' and cited exactly which provisions were violated. It made me feel better but it makes for boring chat. But I do have to say that if Atty. P. thinks that people aren't reading the documents then he IMO is absolutely incorrect. The Press might not be reading but others here are reading!

What I found absolutely hilarious was that the DM read the Judge Blawie 'gag order' and EVEN THEY (or their barristers IDK) saw through the Pattisville sham statements to the US Press. We saw a couple of reporters in the US question the typical Atty. P. bluster but why did we not see one paper write an article taking down what Atty P. said as the BS that it absolutely was IMO? Again, so disappointing but typical of the situation.

MOO

I love it that you went through that item by item, afitzy! That’s great and not boring! I have NO idea why no reporter there brought that up! Perhaps there are other conflicts of interests? I don’t know but based on newspaper ads where I live, I get the idea that savvy papers are going into more investigative reporting as a way to stay viable and relevant so I don’t understand why that’s not so there. MOO.

 

[HopeForTheBest]

Was there ever any doubt?

Whole situation has become a farce IMO between the press and the courts and I am having a hard time containing myself to see if anything is done about the gag order by the Appellate Judges. The situation has become such a joke IMO that I would welcome the Appellate Judges not only supporting the Judge Blawie gag order but imposing an absolute record seal and eliminating all cameras and phones in the courtroom! My guess is if this happened Atty. P would file his notice of removal from the case the NEXT DAY! The Atty P. blustering in the the last FD court appearance almost played like a detergent ad on daytime TV as he was simply 'advertising' for his 'upcoming motion' on the gag order. Yawn.....

I would also very much welcome punishment of ANY kind including a fine of a $1 or loss of licence to practice for Atty. P. for the sorry situation in the Jones case for which he will be reviewed. Show us poor people that there are consequences for poor/stupid decisions by legal professionals in the St. of CT PLEASE - PRETTY PLEASE!

I've been waiting and waiting for some solid and real defending and unfortunately what we have seen is simply 'fluff and feathers' and how 'low can you go' and its all been so disappointing! But I guess also what we have seen from the defence is a reflection of the cards they have been dealt in this case too.

MOO

I so get it! I DO believe, though, that there will be repercussions from all of this behavior, too, in part because of this very case and the attention it gets. What’s written here so eloquently and clearly on the topic isn’t going unread or unnoticed, I am positive. People who might never have read a story about issues in the CT courts with certain lawyers have come here to read about JD—and they’ve learned about these outrages. People who want to make their mark themselves have the information now. The pendulum will swing, I feel sure, because the ugly secrets have been brought out into the light and into the public realm here, and there’s no putting them back into the box now. MOO, but I believe it.

 

[Seattle1]

HC being the only media source to challenge gag order does not surprise me as they've really enjoyed being the platform specifically for NP/FD, and does all but say so in their filing!

Media is not prevented from disseminating info about the case -- only info from the case players.

“Without question, the gag order impinges on the media’s, including the Courant’s, critical rights to gather information from the sources closest to the proceedings,” wrote the Courant’s attorney William S. Fish Jr. bbm

Hartford Courant challenging gag order in criminal case against Fotis Dulos, estranged husband of missing New Canaan mother Jennifer Farber Dulos

 

[sds71]

Estranged husband of missing mom speaks to Greek magazine | News | wfsb.com

WCBS in New York spoke with the reporter in Greece, who said “He [Fotis] was a very stressed man. But ok, on the other hand, I would say that he was, somehow, peaceful, because he was out of jail. He was calm. He couldn't answer all the questions. He spoke with his lawyer several times."

 

[Seattle1]

WCBS New York spoke with Greece Reporter -- appears that NP was present during interview...

Oct 1, 2019

Fotis Dulos granted an interview with a magazine in Greece, Proto Thema, which is a news weekly and website in Athens where Fotis was raised.

[...]

He couldn't answer all the questions. He spoke with his lawyer several times." bbm

A gag order bans both sides from commenting on "the character of a party, victim, or witness,” therefore Dulos’ attorney said the interview was not a violation of that order.

In a statement, Attorney Norm Pattis said "The order bars comment on the credibility of the victim. Jennifer is not the victim of any crime charged. Press is also leaping to the conclusion that commenting on a person’s psychological problem is a comment on credibility — in any other context, folks would say this amounted to a form of shaming of those who suffer psychological problems. Fotis can’t catch a break: Press jumping on this as a violation of the order. It’s just not."

Estranged husband of missing mom speaks to Greek magazine | News | wfsb.com

 

[Midwestmom2019]

HC being the only media source to challenge gag order does not surprise me as they've really enjoyed being the platform specifically for NP/FD, and does all but say so in their filing!

Media is not prevented from disseminating info about the case -- only info from the case players.

“Without question, the gag order impinges on the media’s, including the Courant’s, critical rights to gather information from the sources closest to the proceedings,” wrote the Courant’s attorney William S. Fish Jr. bbm

Hartford Courant challenging gag order in criminal case against Fotis Dulos, estranged husband of missing New Canaan mother Jennifer Farber Dulos

Mr. Fisher, Jr. needs to be reminded that his reporters are lazy, the paper is begging for readers with sensational “insider” information and the papers executive team can be hauled into court as the representatives of the company, who defy court orders.
They are lazy bc it's easier to call up FD and NP for some new tidbit instead of walking the streets, talking to the public and researching: investigative reporting.
They are bottom feeding for scraps of information to one up any competition.
Editor and staff can be hauled into court for malice in reporting. Media has privileges of reporting, but not when it rises to this level. One of my law school professors was the plaintiff Gertz who took on the newspapers, challenging their right to report and balancing that right against reporting that rises to malice. Landmark decision for roping in the horde. NP needs a refresher course in caselaw that he SEEMS to spout off the top of his head. Don’t kid yourself WSleuthers. He reviews his caselaw on a daily basis to remind himself of which cases might come in handy for the day’s events. Rehearses in front of a camera. And critiques his “acting” to hone the edges of the performance.

I wonder how much money FD raised with the Greek interview. Pictures, too. Daily Mail will step up soon. And top the Greeks. Beware of the Trojan Horse. Keep a lookout for the British Armada. One if by land and two if by sea. 13 little scraps of land united and took on the mightiest Empire of that time. Maybe FD remembers his history. Maybe NP remembers his history. But I know for a fact that not just 13 colonies united to beat the odds. The entire world will unite and come down on this Greek Tragedy. FD smears his Greek heritage. NP smears American Jurisprudence. The world knows the truth. Keep talking, gentlemen. There’s enough rope for both of you to swing from the highest trees in CT. And while we’re cleaning up, all the others will get swept up and tossed into the garbage cans of Albany Avenue.
Connecticut is challenged. Will it become the leader of stopping domestic violence? Chestnuts, horsenuts or cracked nuts. Nutmegs need to unite. Lead the Nation in enacting stringent laws to stop domestic violence. Punish perpetrators. Protect the victims. Set the example for the world.
If not, I better get busy and get into the fray.

 

[afitzy]

Thanks...Could be a misstatement.....Don't waste too much time on it!

@Tink56, checked it out as there was a lot going on in June and the press description wasn't the most clear reference.
Eyewitness 3 Timeline:

Tuesday, June 25:

-New Canaan police say state police detectives completed search at Hartford trash plant Monday evening

-Fotis Dulos files paperwork saying he intends to seek custody of the five children

-Fotis Dulos' attorney files motion to postpone hearing set for Wednesday. Another motion was also filed to disqualify Jennifer's attorney from case, saying he believes he's a witness


Family Court:
511.00 06/25/2019 D MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE
RESULT: Denied 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
511.01 06/25/2019 C ORDER
RESULT: Denied 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
512.00 06/25/2019 D MOTION TO DISQUALIFY
COUNSEL
513.00 06/25/2019 P OBJECTION
to Defendant's Motion for Continuance #511.00
RESULT: Sustained 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
513.01 06/25/2019 C ORDER
RESULT: Sustained 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
514.00 06/25/2019 D AGREEMENT
Agreement of the Parties, post judgment.
Watermark
515.00 06/25/2019 D WITHDRAWAL OF MOTION
516.00 06/25/2019 D MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION
TO CONTINUE
517.00 06/25/2019 P MOTION FOR CONTEMPT
And Sanctions Against Defendant & Prior/Present Counsel, PL


We would have to go and look at the file to be 100% sure, BUT my recollection of this period was that this WASN'T to disqualify JD atty BUT RATHER a Defence motion to disqualify the GAL Meehan as he might be a witness in the criminal case (remember he spoke with FD and suggested 'he account for all of his time on the 24th') and the GAL Meehan was also the source of the stolen draft psych report too.

I believe both P and D have also filed to remove GAL Meehan for his role in the stolen Psych Report but so far Judge Heller hasn't seemed to do anything about this horrible/unfortunate situation (which actually does surprise me as I'm not sure how Judge Heller can trust GAL Meehan after what he did but perhaps she still feels like he needs them for continuity with the 5 children). But IMO GAL Meehan is a liability to all involved D and P, and the 5 children in this case as he has proven untrustworthy IMO and probably needs to get the hook but Judge Heller doesn't seem to do much IMO to maintain order in her courtroom which has sadly turned into a circus.

We also saw P Motion for Contempt and sanctions against Defendant & Prior/Present Counsel, PL on 6/25 and this related to Atty. P. role in the FD stolen Psych report and also Defendant and his Prior and Present Counsel. Again Judge Heller pulled down the curtain in Family Court and allowed Pattis to resign behind closed doors rather than face sanctions but I don't believe we ever heard publicly what if anything was done in terms of sanctions for Defendant & Prior/Present Counsel, PL unfortunately. My guess is that if Judge Heller let Pattis resign with zero consequences then by extension its unlikely any of the other parties experienced consequences either in the matter. Just think about this for a second. FD stole a psych report from his prior counsel and the prior counsel got the psych report from GAL in draft form AND JUDGE HELLER IMPOSED NO CONSEQUENCES ON ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED??? This looks to be true but I don't see a follow up ruling on this so perhaps something will be done about this issue and termination of the GAL Meehan? IDK

MOO

 

[Seattle1]

In AG's case, I was reminded that a gag order for prosecutor, defense attorneys, and witnesses remains in effect until after Guyger's (TX) sentencing.

It was the same for Skylar Richardson (OH).

Amazing to me that NP thinks gag orders don't apply to him and/or his client...

 

[afitzy]

Mr. Fisher, Jr. needs to be reminded that his reporters are lazy, the paper is begging for readers with sensational “insider” information and the papers executive team can be hauled into court as the representatives of the company, who defy court orders.
They are lazy bc it's easier to call up FD and NP for some new tidbit instead of walking the streets, talking to the public and researching: investigative reporting.
They are bottom feeding for scraps of information to one up any competition.
Editor and staff can be hauled into court for malice in reporting. Media has privileges of reporting, but not when it rises to this level. One of my law school professors was the plaintiff Gertz who took on the newspapers, challenging their right to report and balancing that right against reporting that rises to malice. Landmark decision for roping in the horde. NP needs a refresher course in caselaw that he SEEMS to spout off the top of his head. Don’t kid yourself WSleuthers. He reviews his caselaw on a daily basis to remind himself of which cases might come in handy for the day’s events. Rehearses in front of a camera. And critiques his “acting” to hone the edges of the performance.

I wonder how much money FD raised with the Greek interview. Pictures, too. Daily Mail will step up soon. And top the Greeks. Beware of the Trojan Horse. Keep a lookout for the British Armada. One if by land and two if by sea. 13 little scraps of land united and took on the mightiest Empire of that time. Maybe FD remembers his history. Maybe NP remembers his history. But I know for a fact that not just 13 colonies united to beat the odds. The entire world will unite and come down on this Greek Tragedy. FD smears his Greek heritage. NP smears American Jurisprudence. The world knows the truth. Keep talking, gentlemen. There’s enough rope for both of you to swing from the highest trees in CT. And while we’re cleaning up, all the others will get swept up and tossed into the garbage cans of Albany Avenue.
Connecticut is challenged. Will it become the leader of stopping domestic violence? Chestnuts, horsenuts or cracked nuts. Nutmegs need to unite. Lead the Nation in enacting stringent laws to stop domestic violence. Punish perpetrators. Protect the victims. Set the example for the world.
If not, I better get busy and get into the fray.

Perfect comment on this sad situation at HC.

I went back and read the HC article again and in particular focused on the comments of Mr. Fischer and his counsel at the paper. Its stunning that the comments together essentially 'out' their sources to the public and actually serve to confirm what WS folks have been saying all along about Atty. P. serving up his daily 'exclusive' to DA and his cronies at the HC and ditto for LE.

Why would any paper publicly admit in a legal document going to almost the highest court in CT how their reporters actually function (or not IMO in this case as the reporters simply are 'reposting' and NOT IMO 'reporting'!).

Stunning and Sad State of Affairs at HC. I actually feel like ponying up $100 to buy DA and his cronies each a pair of sneakers so they can hit the road and actually do some real reporting for a change rather than the recycling and reposting which has plagued the HC reporting on the Dulos case!

MOO

 

[Midwestmom2019]

WCBS New York spoke with Greece Reporter -- appears that NP was present during interview...

Oct 1, 2019

Fotis Dulos granted an interview with a magazine in Greece, Proto Thema, which is a news weekly and website in Athens where Fotis was raised.

[...]

He couldn't answer all the questions. He spoke with his lawyer several times." bbm

A gag order bans both sides from commenting on "the character of a party, victim, or witness,” therefore Dulos’ attorney said the interview was not a violation of that order.

In a statement, Attorney Norm Pattis said "The order bars comment on the credibility of the victim. Jennifer is not the victim of any crime charged. Press is also leaping to the conclusion that commenting on a person’s psychological problem is a comment on credibility — in any other context, folks would say this amounted to a form of shaming of those who suffer psychological problems. Fotis can’t catch a break: Press jumping on this as a violation of the order. It’s just not."

Estranged husband of missing mom speaks to Greek magazine | News | wfsb.com

“Jennifer is not the victim of any crime charged”. Let me understand this. Evidence tampering and obstruction of justice in this case is victimless. Evidence tampering of JD’s blouse and bra has no victim? Maybe no crime he’s charged with, like murder but I would think taking a blouse and bra from a person makes the owner a victim of theft. Or burglary. Or assault.
Oh! JD left her bloody blouse and bra at FD’s house when she and 5 kids left. He was cleaning up and throwing out what she forgot to take with her. She must have cut herself with that tannery knife and used the blouse and bra to stop the bleeding. Yes, and the pillow, too.

So LE arrested two people throwing out a bloody blouse, bloody bra, bloody sponges and other cleaning supplies and a blood soaked pillow that the guy said was so bloody that it came from someone who lost a LOT of blood.
Blood, blood, blood. Just like revenge movies.
They were just throwing out your regular, every day garbage. Soup cans. Cereal boxes. Banana peels. Oops. Forgot about the DNA that matched Jennifer Dulos’. I suppose losing that much of JD’s blood doesn’t make her a victim. The blood is the victim? Stopped 30 times to throw out bags into other people’s trash when they had a construction debris dumpster at home. A mat from a Suburban. A knife. License plates.
I suppose they should have been charged with littering?

 

[Midwestmom2019]

I agree with you that FD has had a lifetime of covering up who and what he is and who knows what else is left to be uncovered. He even changed his name from Duolos to Dulos to create a new 'image' for his 'Coming to America' show after he left Athens!

I thought that the mask was 'ripped' off of FD as a human being, husband and father in family court and all we saw was one press release from a CT DV Group and a few comments from Carrie Luft after Atty P. viciously thrashed the missing/murdered victim JD in the press for months using many unfounded theories and many lies IMO. Even Judge Heller effectively called FD a liar and a dead beat dad to his 5 children but she never tossed him in jail or fined him so far as I am aware. Judge Heller also seemed to sit by as FD financial disclosure was never resolved in Family Court even though it was painfully obvious from reading the court testimony that FD and his then atty appeared to be creating financial disclosure statements from whole cloth IMO. But still the Press reporting was lukewarm and we see a smiling FD outside of Troop G after AW2 as if all is well and fine in CT.

We saw FD bemoaning the loss of his 'beautiful life with Michelle' in the Dateline interview, while never shedding a tear or even mentioning his missing and now presumed dead wife JD.

I was optimistic that FD as a deceptive thief and financial con artist/fraudster would be easily seen by the Press taking the time to read the documents in the GF Civil Case but I'm not even sure the press knows how to cover the financial aspects of the civil case.

We saw the 'friends' FD surrounded himself with in Farmington from the 'alibi witness' KM accused of spousal rape in his messy divorce, to GV, Sue Morin and MT of 'shady loan' fame, the "Greek Benefactor" sending cash to NY atty to fund the legal 'show' of Atty. P, to disbarred former atty Ford to Atty Murray and his equally messy divorce and on and on the slime ball express kept chugging out dirtbags and people who exploit the legal system to extract their pound of flesh. I probably should toss morally bankrupt and amoral MT into the mix of this group as she no doubt fit in perfectly, but so far we haven't seen any consequences for MT from the State of CT for her role in the FORE situation or the disappearance of JD beyond tampering and hindering.

Most days it seems like its a parallel universe where FD skates through the legal system in the State of CT with zero consequences as does his rag tag group of legal professionals.

Not sure why there never seems to be any consequences.

MOO

Maybe there does not seem to be any consequences bc everyone is getting a piece of the Farber action.

 

[MDATCA]

Ok fine ,
You are probably right .

So, hmmm . We know LE has scoured every nook and cranny .

Bonfire:
ala Patrick Frazee - nope neighbors would have called fire dept , complained about smoke .

Dumped in an oil tank:
ala Chris Watts - Nope , no access .

Septic Tank : Ruled out.

Loud clang coming from Sturbridge : mystery

Poison Ivy : I think obtained on FD’s way into JD’s house . He didn’t wear some type of body Coverall , boots or gloves , probably wearing shorts to look like he was out for a run .

Might have a planted a weapon , change of clothes somewhere in side yard after b’day celebration.

Put body in Raptor Then what...

There just doesn’t seem To be that many locations to dispose of a body in such a short timeframe by 1 or 2 amateurs that still remain undetected .

How the heck is he/ they smarter than
all of us .. WTF

Moo

Shipped to Greece or South America via one of their contracts? Then oops that shipping container falls off the ship out at sea.

 

[Jmoose]

WCBS New York spoke with Greece Reporter -- appears that NP was present during interview...

Oct 1, 2019

Fotis Dulos granted an interview with a magazine in Greece, Proto Thema, which is a news weekly and website in Athens where Fotis was raised.

[...]

He couldn't answer all the questions. He spoke with his lawyer several times." bbm

A gag order bans both sides from commenting on "the character of a party, victim, or witness,” therefore Dulos’ attorney said the interview was not a violation of that order.

In a statement, Attorney Norm Pattis said "The order bars comment on the credibility of the victim. Jennifer is not the victim of any crime charged. Press is also leaping to the conclusion that commenting on a person’s psychological problem is a comment on credibility — in any other context, folks would say this amounted to a form of shaming of those who suffer psychological problems. Fotis can’t catch a break: Press jumping on this as a violation of the order. It’s just not."

Estranged husband of missing mom speaks to Greek magazine | News | wfsb.com

If commenting on someone’s “psychological problem” is not designed to shame, then why mention it at all? There has been no verification that I’ve seen that that she had “serious psychological problems” that left her incapable of parenting 5 children, or in fact left her incapable of doing ANYTHING. Yet FD and NP have blabbed this numerous times about JD AND her mother. I wonder if FD just says that about any women who choose not to tow the line with him? So what if she took medication (if she did)? If he’s allowed to speculate wildly about the seriousness of her mental health issues after a gag order was issued, then he should expect the same standards will be applied by the public with regard to all of his actions as a husband, father, businessman. It’s only a matter of time before he mixes it up with some member of the public who isn’t giving him what he wants, when he wants it, and he won’t be able to keep a lid on his irrational nature. Just wait for it...

 

[Jmoose]

In AG's case, I was reminded that a gag order for prosecutor, defense attorneys, and witnesses remains in effect until after Guyger's (TX) sentencing.

It was the same for Skylar Richardson (OH).

Amazing to me that NP thinks gag orders don't apply to him and/or his client...

Well, the gag order really only does apply to him if there are consequences that mean something. And as things have gone in this case, there aren’t any consequences. Right now those two (FD, NP) can do nearly whatever they want, and get away with it. They have been able to disparage Jennifer in her mental health challenges (if there actually were any), and they have gone unchallenged. It may ultimately backfire on these two, but the words are out there, and they can’t be expunged. NP did tell Judge Blawie that a gag order wasn’t going to stop him, and it hasn’t.

If I had a business in Farmington, Avon or New Canaan, it would be extremely difficult for me to serve or accomodate FD in any way. NP is just doing his job, but FD killed his wife, and has been dragging her name through whatever mud he can find since May. He has an enormous amount of contempt for the woman who he has known since college, and who has been his meal ticket since 2004, and the mother of his 5 children almost that long. All she is “guilty” of, as I see it, is that she wouldn’t tolerate his cheating and laziness.

 

[Chicago54]

@Tink56, checked it out as there was a lot going on in June and the press description wasn't the most clear reference.
Eyewitness 3 Timeline:

Tuesday, June 25:

-New Canaan police say state police detectives completed search at Hartford trash plant Monday evening

-Fotis Dulos files paperwork saying he intends to seek custody of the five children

-Fotis Dulos' attorney files motion to postpone hearing set for Wednesday. Another motion was also filed to disqualify Jennifer's attorney from case, saying he believes he's a witness


Family Court:
511.00 06/25/2019 D MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE
RESULT: Denied 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
511.01 06/25/2019 C ORDER
RESULT: Denied 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
512.00 06/25/2019 D MOTION TO DISQUALIFY
COUNSEL
513.00 06/25/2019 P OBJECTION
to Defendant's Motion for Continuance #511.00
RESULT: Sustained 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
513.01 06/25/2019 C ORDER
RESULT: Sustained 6/25/2019 HON DONNA HELLER
514.00 06/25/2019 D AGREEMENT
Agreement of the Parties, post judgment.
Watermark
515.00 06/25/2019 D WITHDRAWAL OF MOTION
516.00 06/25/2019 D MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION
TO CONTINUE
517.00 06/25/2019 P MOTION FOR CONTEMPT
And Sanctions Against Defendant & Prior/Present Counsel, PL


We would have to go and look at the file to be 100% sure, BUT my recollection of this period was that this WASN'T to disqualify JD atty BUT RATHER a Defence motion to disqualify the GAL Meehan as he might be a witness in the criminal case (remember he spoke with FD and suggested 'he account for all of his time on the 24th') and the GAL Meehan was also the source of the stolen draft psych report too.

I believe both P and D have also filed to remove GAL Meehan for his role in the stolen Psych Report but so far Judge Heller hasn't seemed to do anything about this horrible/unfortunate situation (which actually does surprise me as I'm not sure how Judge Heller can trust GAL Meehan after what he did but perhaps she still feels like he needs them for continuity with the 5 children). But IMO GAL Meehan is a liability to all involved D and P, and the 5 children in this case as he has proven untrustworthy IMO and probably needs to get the hook but Judge Heller doesn't seem to do much IMO to maintain order in her courtroom which has sadly turned into a circus.

We also saw P Motion for Contempt and sanctions against Defendant & Prior/Present Counsel, PL on 6/25 and this related to Atty. P. role in the FD stolen Psych report and also Defendant and his Prior and Present Counsel. Again Judge Heller pulled down the curtain in Family Court and allowed Pattis to resign behind closed doors rather than face sanctions but I don't believe we ever heard publicly what if anything was done in terms of sanctions for Defendant & Prior/Present Counsel, PL unfortunately. My guess is that if Judge Heller let Pattis resign with zero consequences then by extension its unlikely any of the other parties experienced consequences either in the matter. Just think about this for a second. FD stole a psych report from his prior counsel and the prior counsel got the psych report from GAL in draft form AND JUDGE HELLER IMPOSED NO CONSEQUENCES ON ANY OF THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED??? This looks to be true but I don't see a follow up ruling on this so perhaps something will be done about this issue and termination of the GAL Meehan? IDK

MOO

MOO MOO. ITA. But something is gnawing in the back of my head about some motion about JDs atty, not the GAL. Yes there was motion to remove GAL also.

Also during the last hearing, when Pattis was whining about arguing the gag order, didn’t he tell the court that even though he had removed himself from the divorce litigation that he was still “technically” on it? Something like his name had not been removed-something to that effect?
I’ll try to go back and listen.

 

[pandaknows]

the noise from the fore property overnight is puzzling. i know that home construction sites often have large dumpsters for construction waste. i also know many waste companies pick up those things [after leaving an empty] early mornings. so that's what i thought might be the noise. they are usually large roll-offs that are too heavy to move with something like a forklift. these sites also sometimes have a smaller dumpster for non-construction waste since rules are to not mix the two wastes. the smaller ones can be moved by a forklift. anyway, i see two possibilities. 1. [the most probable to me] FD knew the large dumpster [if it was in fact there] would be switched out since it was pick up day. and FD knew exactly where the empty would be placed. that ground was probably fairly loose due to grading prior to the build start. easy to dig in. so FD digs a hole overnight and places JD in it. waste company comes early morning and puts the empty over the burial spot. 2. same idea but FD moves small dumpster, digs hole, places body, covers hole, puts small dumpster over it. i'm not suggesting LE in that area are dimwits and i know they check IN dumpsters and AT dumps but would they have the forethought to check UNDER the dumpster? the ground under either of the dumpsters would normally appear broken & disturbed from the moving. the body decomposition odor might not be detectable if deep enough or body is in some container. so not too sure about dogs detecting it. maybe run some type of ground radar over the ground that the dumpsters were over that day? anyway, thanks for reading. as i've said i missed a large chunk of early discussion so if this theory has been discussed my apologies. MOO.

@dkryder If you haven't called in a tip to the New Canaan Police, I will! MOO. These contacts are still good from the Patch?

Tips Pouring Into New Canaan PD In Jennifer Dulos Case

Anyone with information related to this case should contact the New Canaan Police Department tip line at 203-594-3544.

Anyone with surveillance cameras that captures vehicle traffic in front of their home or residence in New Canaan from Wednesday, May 22nd through Saturday, May 25th should email Officer Kelly Coughlin at Kelly.coughlin@newcanaanct.gov. Do not send the video, simply email her with your contact information and she will get back to you with instructions.