Silver Alert CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #29

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It is possible that MT's Attorney does not want the actual Questions to which she pled the 5th, to be open to speculation on the part of a potential juror.

We ALL Know that she pled the 5th on every single question, so what is the point in having the deposition sealed, if we already know the outcome?

What we Do Not Know, are the Questions asked, to which she pled the 5th.

Just the Fact that she pled the 5th in Civil Court to 'Certain' Questions, could be incriminating in of itself, in the minds of potential jurors in the Criminal Case.

Therefore, sealing the Questions to which she pled the 5th in Civil Court, helps to give her an unbiased jury in the criminal case.

I think AB knows what he is doing and this seems an appropriate action on his part.

We have recently seen Judge Heller in Family Court, take Inference as to his possible guilt, when Dufos pled the 5th in the Divorce/Custody case.

In Civil Court and Family Court, the Judge/Jury are afforded the Inference of Guilt, based on the person pleading the 5th.

Inference is not available to the Judge/Jury in a Criminal Court.

IMO.
Yes, my guess is that Atty B wants everything having to do with the MT deposition sealed as as you point out the questions asked as almost as important as the answers provided, even if no answer is provided. I still don't know the answer to whether the State of CT can petition the Civil Court to access the MT deposition, but it would seem to be that they would be interested in the document as well given the overall scope of their investigation. Atty B cites publicity as one reason to seal the deposition, but my guess is that they are playing a game of 'cat and mouse' with the State and Federal authorities as well. MOO
 
Norms motion for medical
Shoutout to Judge Blawie here, once your 'gag order' motion is upheld by the Appellate Court I would respectfully ask that you consider a full document seal in the Dulos case to prevent such blatant 'end runs' around the 'gag order' such as we see yet again in this latest motion filed by Atty P. for JD medical records.

Specifically, how is the monthly allowance of JD or her monthly atty's bills amount at all relevant to the issue at hand in the motion? IMO they are not and this motion was simply being used at a different form of Press Release. First we had the Greek Interviews (2) about which nothing was done and now we have a tittle tattle report on the JD income situation.

When will this hideous process of victim shaming and victim blaming end? IMO, this process with Atty. P and FD will NEVER end unless the court chooses to impose some level of order which includes absolute seal. Without the seal then these press releases disguised as motions will simply keep coming and coming until you are buried in a sea of poorly crafted motions from Atty P full of typos and improper citations. Letting you know in advance I feel your pain actually having to read the motions from Atty. P as in most law schools around the country such motions would simply receive a red line through the entire front page with a note to redo and resubmit!

I would support absolute seal in the name of justice for JD as I sadly think it is the only way it might be achieved given the parties involved in this case.

MOO
 
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I am nothing short of appalled and disgusted by the behavior of the accused and their respective councils. My heart breaks for JD, her mother, her family and friends, and most deeply for her children. Come on FD and MT ... how can you live with yourselves? And NP .... there are no words to describe your actions ... well there are ... but they are unacceptable here. MOO
 
The attorney for Fotis Dulos is trying once again to get access to the medical records of his estranged wife Jennifer Farber Dulos – this time alleging there’s a new bill indicating she saw a doctor in early July – nearly two months after she disappeared.

The new bill, called an explanation of benefits, was from the same New York City medical group that seeks payment of more than $300 from the Dulos’ insurance provider. The motion, filed Friday by Norm Pattis, seeks a court order requiring Anthem Blue Cross to turn over copies of all medical records for Jennifer Farber Dulos.

In a wide-ranging investigation and search since she disappeared on May 24, police have been unable to locate Jennifer Farber Dulos. State police say that Fotis Dulos, a Farmington real estate developer, is responsible for her disappearance.

"If Ms. Dulos herself did, as the bill suggests, receive medical services on July 7, 2019, she is obviously alive, if not necessarily well,'' the motion, written by Pattis, states. “Among the hypotheses the defendant is evaluating in his defense is that Ms. Dulos and/or her family have orchestrated an apparent disappearance to resolve a contentious divorce and custody proceeding that was not breaking Ms. Dulos’ way.”

In the motion, Pattis notes that Farber Dulos was receiving an allowance of $160,000 per month from her mother and paying as much as $70,000 per month to lawyers in legal fees to her divorce lawyers.

“The family has the means and apparent motive to keep Ms. Dulos out of public view," the motion states.
In court motion, Fotis Dulos seeks missing wife’s medical records, suggests that Jennifer Farber Dulos may be alive, ‘if not necessarily well’
OMG.
I surely hope NP did his due diligence on this info. Even though I wish it to be not true, I deeply believe JD has already left this earth, and can only pray this motion further illustrates the idiocy and lunacy of NP and FD.

Just yesterday, with the slew of legalese and motions and orders and who’s on first, I was thinking; this is exactly why I considered law, said nope, and went medical instead. But at the same time I felt useless in the conversation! So maybe I can help here.

First, let me explain some terminology. Norm refers to a “billing record”. I believe he is referring to ( as Sds71 reported in his/her usual wonderful info) an EoB -explanation of benefits. However , it in itself, is NOT a bill. The provider would send a CLAIM to the insurance co. for services rendered. Once the insurance co. processes the claim, they make payment to the provider, then the provider BILLS the insured for the remainder. At the same time, the ins. co. generates an explanation of benefits and send it to the policy holder. These are sent from the insurance company, only, to the insured policy holder. This is important. They are sent to the policy holder, not to the insured individual under the policy. So for example, if FD held the insurance, any services received by JD, if she was insured under it, would be mailed to FD at his address. Same would go for the children. IIRC though, FD failed to provide medical insurance for the children. In other words, he did not have family coverage. Earlier in these threads it was discussed if he self insured, but regardless, according to earlier posted info, he did not insure the children. I assumed this meant he also did not have spousal coverage.

Norm would be off his rocker if he was using illegally gained medical information and attaching it to a motion. So I can only assume that FD must have still been covering JD. That is the only way he would legally be able to see any EoB pertaining to her IMO. However, I can’t image JD keeping her private medical information accessible to him. Perhaps she never saw the situation where he would use it against her? That could be the reason why she simple kept the spousal insurance going until the divorce was final?

But now I come to my last point about this “bill”. Claims are put through to insurance companies with a DOS. That’s date of service. Norm would also have to be a fool if he didn’t consider the numerous ways this “billing” could have occurred. Was a claim denied, and resubmitted? This happens all the time due to wrong diagnostic coding, patients’ names misspelt, wrong dates of birth, etc etc...sometimes if it is a resubmitted claim, the DOS is compromised. Or as others have noted, it could be an automatic monthly charge, or a fee for an appointment which was not cancelled.

Finally, July 7, 2019 was a Sunday.
Was JD at a hospital?
I sure hope NP informed LE so they can examine CCTV.
 
Based on the new information, which could be a typo on behalf of the insurer, Pattis filed a new motion to obtain Jennifer Dulos’ medical records, which he claims could help exonerate his client.
Attorney: Billing records prove Jennifer Dulos could still be alive
IMO this entire situation with the bill being received post missing date is lunacy.

Put the issue into the hands of LE and the States atty to check out and verify.

IMO it would have been very easy for FD to have someone female call up the clinic and make an appointment in the name of JD and this could have been done anytime after the missing date. OR, this is just a billing error. I have seen some bills submitted many months after a visit date and I have seen retroactive billing happen 6 months after a date of service.

IMO this is a LE issue and NOT an issue to support a motion from the defense.

WHERE IS THE STATE OF CT ON THIS ISSUE?

MOO
 
Because at the end ...JD started playing “his” board game , he didn’t think she was as clever as he was and he was pissed.

She out maneuvered him with the Moving Company, telling him she was taking the kids go visit her Dad’s gravesite , hiring a P.I., renting a house when he thought she was moving to Pound Ridge , not letting his kids Water Ski competitively etc etc .

For so long , FD called the shots . JD finally took control of her life while FD lost all control . He couldn’t take it and started cooking up his revenge .
This deserves a double like!
MOO.
 
I have to add one more thing to my long winded, gosh darn it I’m so mad, explanation above.

If you notice, NP’s motion is only ONLY asking Anthem Blue Cross to release records pertaining to JD. These are going to be claims for services and EOBs! There may also be requests for authorization to see a specialist or have a procedure. IMO there would be little to no actually diagnostic information available!

NP must be, at the very least, well aware a motion requesting medical info from the provider would NEVER get past HIPAA constraints.

Norm is fishing and wishing.
Wish all you want Norm, but even if JD saw a specialist for X, &/or had imaging for X, it doesn’t prove she had X.
And even if she did, good luck with your ridiculous theory. MOO
 
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Shoutout to Judge Blawie here, once your 'gag order' motion is upheld by the Appellate Court I would respectfully ask that you consider a full document seal in the Dulos case to present such blatant 'end runs' around the 'gag order' such as we see yet again in this latest motion filed by Atty P. for JD medical records.

Specifically, how is the monthly allowance of JD or her monthly atty's bills amount at all relevant to the issue at hand in the motion? IMO they are not and this motion was simply being used at a different form of Press Release. First we had the Greek Interviews (2) about which nothing was done and now we have a tittle tattle report on the JD income situation.

When will this hideous process of victim shaming and victim blaming end? IMO, this process with Atty. P and FD will NEVER end unless the court chooses to impose some level of order which includes absolute seal. Without the seal then these press releases disguised as motions will simply keep coming and coming until you are buried in a sea of poorly crafted motions from Atty P full of typos and improper citations. Letting you know in advance I feel your pain actually having to read the motions from Atty. P as in most law schools around the country such motions would simply receive a red line through the entire front page with a note to redo and resubmit!

I would support absolute seal in the name of justice for JD as I sadly think it is the only way it might be achieved given the parties involved in this case.

MOO
I TOTALLY AGREE. These motions are press releases coated in sheep’s clothing!!!
 
I definitely want every person, no matter how horrible, to have a competent attorney because it’s important to help ensure that justice is for all, even the loathsome. While I’m not an attorney, I imagine that attorneys, like people in other professions, sometimes have to work with people they don’t like at all. The thing about NP that I abhor is not that he defends people who are accused of terrible crimes but instead that he does so in large part by stomping on the victims as he makes up wild, unsubstantiated stories and absolute lies about them and tries to spin these actions as noble in the service of justice. In my opinion, his work isn’t about preserving the rights of even the worst among us but is instead about NP’s obsessive need for the spotlight; I’ve wondered more than once if he even really notices his clients as he seems, to me, to regard them as bit players or extras in NP’s self-produced, improv performances. MOO.

We have seen in the many incidents that NP appears, it is all about the 'spotlight performance' for himself, as you state "HopeForTheBest".
He probably practices in front of the mirror, and praises himself, for how effective he will be, in his next presentation.
Now, for his next "Oscar performance".
YUK.:rolleyes:
MOO.
 
OMG.
I surely hope NP did his due diligence on this info. Even though I wish it to be not true, I deeply believe JD has already left this earth, and can only pray this motion further illustrates the idiocy and lunacy of NP and FD.

Just yesterday, with the slew of legalese and motions and orders and who’s on first, I was thinking; this is exactly why I considered law, said nope, and went medical instead. But at the same time I felt useless in the conversation! So maybe I can help here.

First, let me explain some terminology. Norm refers to a “billing record”. I believe he is referring to ( as Sds71 reported in his/her usual wonderful info) an EoB -explanation of benefits. However , it in itself, is NOT a bill. The provider would send a CLAIM to the insurance co. for services rendered. Once the insurance co. processes the claim, they make payment to the provider, then the provider BILLS the insured for the remainder. At the same time, the ins. co. generates an explanation of benefits and send it to the policy holder. These are sent from the insurance company, only, to the insured policy holder. This is important. They are sent to the policy holder, not to the insured individual under the policy. So for example, if FD held the insurance, any services received by JD, if she was insured under it, would be mailed to FD at his address. Same would go for the children. IIRC though, FD failed to provide medical insurance for the children. In other words, he did not have family coverage. Earlier in these threads it was discussed if he self insured, but regardless, according to earlier posted info, he did not insure the children. I assumed this meant he also did not have spousal coverage.

Norm would be off his rocker if he was using illegally gained medical information and attaching it to a motion. So I can only assume that FD must have still been covering JD. That is the only way he would legally be able to see any EoB pertaining to her IMO. However, I can’t image JD keeping her private medical information accessible to him. Perhaps she never saw the situation where he would use it against her? That could be the reason why she simple kept the spousal insurance going until the divorce was final?

But now I come to my last point about this “bill”. Claims are put through to insurance companies with a DOS. That’s date of service. Norm would also have to be a fool if he didn’t consider the numerous ways this “billing” could have occurred. Was a claim denied, and resubmitted? This happens all the time due to wrong diagnostic coding, patients’ names misspelt, wrong dates of birth, etc etc...sometimes if it is a resubmitted claim, the DOS is compromised. Or as others have noted, it could be an automatic monthly charge, or a fee for an appointment which was not cancelled.

Finally, July 7, 2019 was a Sunday.
Was JD at a hospital?
I sure hope NP informed LE so they can examine CCTV.

I don’t think FD was the policy holder for Jennifer. We know for sure that he did not pay the insurance premiums for the children, as he was ordered to do by the court. There is no reason to believe that he would have paid the premiums for his soon-to-be ex wife, for whom there was no such order. But, I could be wrong
 
I don’t think FD was the policy holder for Jennifer. We know for sure that he did not pay the insurance premiums for the children, as he was ordered to do by the court. There is no reason to believe that he would have paid the premiums for his soon-to-be ex wife, for whom there was no such order. But, I could be wrong
Where I am struggling with all of this is that we are asking a very fundamental and basic question, WHO IS THE POLICY HOLDER.

IDK what the standards of evidence are at this stage of the court proceedings.

What diligence is the Court doing on the underlying document being submitted by Atty. P?

Is this an issue for the State to investigate what is being submitted or does the court simply take at face value that Atty. P and FD have the right or ability to be doing what they are doing here? If for example this document was gotten illegally could it be used and submitted by Atty P and FD?

I am coming at the this from the standpoint of if Atty. P falsely signed and submitted an affidavit in the Jones case as he himself admitted to doing, then what is to stop him from pushing boundaries with some kind of medical document that was gotten through nefarious means?

MOO
 
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