DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #17

[FelicityLemon]

I don't believe there was a current registration. Carfax doesn't show one, and there was a recent smog inspection that January (which would have been two months after the most recent registration expired, if there had been one, since the 2011 one expired in November 2013). I believe the one he had was the most recent. Please for the love of all that's Holy don't make me post those links again. They are all in previous threads.

LOL, I would never ask you to do that.

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[rkf]

I don't see it that way. Self-preservation is strong. He lied, according to LE, but we don't know why he lied. Maybe from feelings of guilt, or maybe because he realized he delivered $40k in cash to a home where four people were brutally murdered hours later and freaked (I would) that it might make him a suspect. Well, that backfired, that made him a target if he wasn't one before. I'm not defending his lying at all, just recognizing that people lie for all kinds of reasons, most of which (to me) don't make sense.

SS might understand why JW lied.

I think if I found out that I had delivered the ransom money, after taking a photo of it and sending it to at least one friend, I would be freaked out, too. But instead of lying, if I was entirely innocent, I'd want to tell LE every detail of what happened on my end, to help LE figure out what happened. My first instinct would not be to lie and make up stories (that are obviously easily verified). Why would his self-preservation instinct conflict with telling the truth? I'd would expect them to coincide.

 

[rkf]

On another note sure glad Wint got rid of Ficker he was such a tool -- probably couldn't pay him cause being in jail doesn't allow him to *raise* more money via illicit ways....& Ficker am sure doesn't work gratis

Ficker was DW's attorney in this case only in Ficker's mind. Neither he or his family ever hired him. Ficker was just getting another 15 minutes before DW made it clear they weren't going to hire him. Wonder if they hired Hanover just to get Ficker off their backs...

 

[Skigirl]

I am a dealmaker for a living. The worst type of dealmaker is the one that marches through the term sheet in a linear fashion, making a binary decision about each term in isolation. Some terms are more important or less negotiable than others, but some of them are protections for rare or unlikely events and taken with other favorable terms don't matter as much. The best type is the one who looks at the deal at a whole, that takes in the big picture, and determines what gives and takes could be made to make the deal attractive enough -- for both parties -- to make the deal work.

I think that's akin to evaluating evidence in a case. Of course there are some types of evidence that carry more weight than others and some can totally make or break a determination of guilt. But most evidence isn't like that. Most is sort of ambiguous or not that damning in isolation, but it's when you start looking at it together that it starts to make a pretty compelling picture.

I think that's why some of us went cold when the Mosler registration was found in JW's backpack along with his passport. Some of us already suspected that the car might be the some sort of key to the puzzle. You have a "racer", one who has said the car is worth $700k and has posted pictures of the car in his SM. You have not just a racer, but a "broke racer" whose big hurdle is not having enough money to race. You have a new hire who was fired from his last job. You have a guy who is hired to drive people around and run errands, while someone else, a REAL retired racer, not many years older than this guy, is hired to coach a 10-year-old to race. You have some lies to the police. Some calls from within the crime scene to this same individual. A text to the wife who is presumably in the hospital to go to her house because it's on fire. An unreturned phone call from his boss for whom $40K has been left in the garage. Someone who sounds a lot like him driving the porsche "erratically". You have a car that is torched and ditched near where the guy's father used to live. Which also happens to be where the main suspect lived. A main suspect caught in a caravan involving a "moving garage" that can't normally be rented as a one-off. A main suspect who fled back toward the scene of the crime, maybe to get something. You have a backpack with a registration for a certain car that the guy believes is worth $700K.

A piece here and there, and pretty soon you have a good story.

 

[rkf]

I don't believe there was a current registration. Carfax doesn't show one, and there was a recent smog inspection that January (which would have been two months after the most recent registration expired, if there had been one, since the 2011 one expired in November 2013). I believe the one he had was the most recent. Please for the love of all that's Holy don't make me post those links again. They are all in previous threads.

Maryland could be one of the states that doesn't (always) report re-registrations to Carfax. IDK. But it's possible it was re-registered and that info never made it onto Carfax. The emissions testing would have been in advance of getting the car re-registered. Do you have access to a more accurate database? If so, does it say to whom the Mosler was registered? SS, AIW or a trust?

 

[FelicityLemon]

I think if I found out that I had delivered the ransom money, after taking a photo of it and sending it to at least one friend, I would be freaked out, too. But instead of lying, if I was entirely innocent, I'd want to tell LE every detail of what happened on my end, to help LE figure out what happened. My first instinct would not be to lie and make up stories (that are obviously easily verified). Why would his self-preservation instinct conflict with telling the truth? I'd would expect them to coincide.

That's my point. I wouldn't lie either, but some people... I think to most people, it makes sense to tell the truth to LE.
Me, I know I'd be vomiting more information than they wanted, and I'd let them sort that out later. For some people, good sense and emotions rarely coexist.

You always get caught in the end and it's always worse.

 

[TexMex]

Or as a trophy, a document to be used in a new forgery or any number of possibilities. I personally think it is WEIRD to have the registration for someone else's car, expired or not.


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Perhaps. But LE has known this since May and apparently it's been investigated to their satisfaction...

 

[Skigirl]

Maryland could be one of the states that doesn't (always) report re-registrations to Carfax. IDK. But it's possible it was re-registered and that info never made it onto Carfax. The emissions testing would have been in advance of getting the car re-registered. Do you have access to a more accurate database? If so, does it say to whom the Mosler was registered? SS, AIW or a trust?

I paid to access an online database and posted all that stuff at the same time a couple other people were posting information about the registration. It showed all the registrations for the car by VIN and the last one it showed was 2011. I don't recall it saying to whom the car was registered. I definitely don't remember seeing that a trust was the owner. It did show the emissions test in January 2015, which would have been odd timing for a car whose registration is due, generally, in November. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Maryland could be one of the states that doesn't (always) report re-registrations to Carfax. IDK. But it's possible it was re-registered and that info never made it onto Carfax. The emissions testing would have been in advance of getting the car re-registered. Do you have access to a more accurate database? If so, does it say to whom the Mosler was registered? SS, AIW or a trust?

There was a poster here back when this first came out (maybe with Tennessee in the name, or a city in TN in the name?) that seemed to have access to a car database through work. I believe that poster said the car was not re-registered anywhere after that last MD registration.

Anyone else remember that?

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, of course. People have been saying that for weeks, I'm just providing other reasons why someone have that. I don't see it as different from a notebook of decorating ideas specifically for cottage styles, some people think that's weird.

Car enthusiasts, or anybody really into any interest/hobby, collect all kinds of things that others might not appreciate.

I think adults collecting, dressing and living with those lifelike baby dolls is creepy. Latex costumes don't do anything for me . But I recognize and try to remind myself that people are different

One man's trash...

It would be suspect to me, if the registration was current. Expired just makes it a souvenir. To me.

We still don't know that SS didn't give it to him. We can (I do) speculate that "Well, I wouldn't do that" all we want.

Killers do take souvenirs of their victims, which is why some of us think JW's possession of the registration of the car about which he lied and which he claimed to place $40,000 ransom is pretty strange and worthy of additional LE investigation.

JMO

 

[TexMex]

I hope that trust didn't get SS killed. Scott Peterson seemed pretty normal, was investigated, searched and interviewed and not arrested 8 weeks after he killed his wife. It took LE longer to build the case against him. Lots of other examples are available. I think it's too soon to say everyone who has been investigated has been cleared or found involved.

I think the monsters that interest the FBI et al are the ones who move amongst us undetected. If they all looked like DW in his mug shots, they'd be less dangerous because we could see them coming. I don't even thing DW looked like that monster all the time. JMO

He's a violent felon who was able to elude immigration for deportation that should have happened much sooner than after 39 offenses. I hope this kind of offender is studied enough to be flagged and removed before they wind up killing law abiding citizens.

JMO but IMO JW will not be arrested in this case. The very fact that he lied made thorough investigation of him immediately imperative. IMO he's cleared

 

[Skigirl]

There was a poster here back when this first came out (maybe with Tennessee in the name, or a city in TN in the name?) that seemed to have access to a car database through work. I believe that poster said the car was not re-registered anywhere after that last MD registration.

Anyone else remember that?

Yes - that was around the same time I paid to access the data about the Mosler's VIN. His/her information matched mine but was more detailed.

 

[BellaVita]

It's in the SW return for JW's BMW. P. 10. If you haven't read the attached affidavit yet, it's interesting reading.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bnrqs5luwkl0qk2/267776483-Search-Warrant-for-BMW.pdf?dl=0

It IS interesting. And it makes very clear that the lies ARE actually lies. Not just misinterpretations by LE. For instance-BIG difference between seeing the bank manager hand the money to the accountant in a manila envelope and the second version where JW says the money was taken from the accountant's pockets and placed into a red bag and THEN JW puts the money into a manila envelope from his own car.

I noticed in the warrant that there was no red bag found in the BMW? Did I overlook that somehow? Because that would be very strange for it not to be there. The warrant was issued the 15th. I wonder if LE had custody of the car before the warrant was signed or if they had to go to JW home and get it. No red bag, yet a Mac laptop was in the car. All this other stuff in the car but not the red bag. Now I'm thinking about DW going to the Mosler and getting the money. IF it was in manila envelope or something else. Must have brought it inside with him. When he left the burning house, did he still have the money in the envelope/bag or was that left at the scene? Did DW stuff the money in his clothing or was it in the bucket he carried away from the Porsche? Also noting all the forensic evidence taken from the BMW. LE very interested in DNA/prints and even carpet.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Question. I keep forgetting to ask this and this is not rhetorical; it's a genuine question. I read the interviews / search warrants and I now have no idea as to what really happened concerning JW getting the cash from the employee. I read it again and again.

Is there an account of what actually happened, or do we even know? Honestly, I sometimes fret about my reading comprehension.

Thank you all in advance. Is there a final determination? I'm not looking to argue because I honestly can't figure out what actually happened.



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[BellaVita]

He's a violent felon who was able to elude immigration for deportation that should have happened after 39 offenses. I hope this kind of offender is studied enough to be flagged and removed before they wind up killing law abiding citizens.

JMO but IMO JW will not be arrested in this case. The very fact that he lied made thorough investigation of him immediately imperative. IMO he's cleared

I understand that these monsters are studied and why they are studied from an academic viewpoint. However, from a practical perspective, DW did not need to be studied. He flagged himself the first time he committed a violent offense. No further study needed. It is what it is. Not a lot to understand and nothing anybody can do to fix a piece of garbage like him.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Killers do take souvenirs of their victims, which is why some of us think JW's possession of the registration of the car about which he lied and which he claimed to place $40,000 ransom is pretty strange and worthy of additional LE investigation.

JMO

Yes, they do. Are you saying that JW murdered them?

 

[BondGirl]

I think if I found out that I had delivered the ransom money, after taking a photo of it and sending it to at least one friend, I would be freaked out, too. But instead of lying, if I was entirely innocent, I'd want to tell LE every detail of what happened on my end, to help LE figure out what happened. My first instinct would not be to lie and make up stories (that are obviously easily verified). Why would his self-preservation instinct conflict with telling the truth? I'd would expect them to coincide.

Exactly!! Why be afraid of the truth with the police...especially if your dad is a cop.

 

[BondGirl]

Question. I keep forgetting to ask this and this is not rhetorical; it's a genuine question. I read the interviews / search warrants and I now have no idea as to what really happened concerning JW getting the cash from the employee. I read it again and again.

Is there an account of what actually happened, or do we even know? Honestly, I sometimes fret about my reading comprehension.

Thank you all in advance. Is there a final determination? I'm not looking to argue because I honestly can't figure out what actually happened.



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We only have JW's statement(s) with various versions. Sadly we haven't been privy to accountant's statement.

 

[FelicityLemon]

We only have JW's statement(s) with various versions. Sadly we haven't been privy to accountant's statement.

auuuughhhhhh! Thank you. I just want to make sure that I didn't miss it if it was in the interview. I kept looking for something like "After speaking with the accountant, and confronting W1 with his conflicting statements, LE has determined what actually happened was A, B, C"

Grrr. Still confused, must sit back until it's made clear and public. :/

 

[kammiemc]

I understand what you're saying, but that's calm, logical thinking in unimaginably shocking circumstances that we can only imagine.

Maybe being interviewed by LE was a little too close to some issues growing up with LE dad?

For some people, lying is a learned response, not even thought about while they're doing it. It's like a reflex. I've seen this exactly; son and super critical father. The son lied about inconsequential things even as an adult, but only when questioned, and even about innocuous things. When left to speak on his own, no lies - only when asked questions. He was so used to be criticized, the kneejerk reaction was to lie because there was a shield. A lie because to tell anything near what he was really thinking or feeling would mean he would be criticized. Nobody likes to be told their feelings are wrong or inappropriate. There's no emotional investment in a lie, but to tell someone what you're thinking and feeling and then be told they're wrong? It breaks my heart.

I can only imagine and speculate and project what he was thinking in that situation, but I can pretty much guarantee that it was from an emotional place of feeling guilty or attacked. Learned.

ETA: to kammiemc: Well, for cornssake, I just realized that my first sentence repeated what you said about understanding each other and I swear it wasn't intentional! Please don't think I was being sarcastic It was an honest statement, lol!

Everyone responds differently. I was interviewed in someone's disappearance and LE was appropriately skeptical of everything I had to say, even though I was the one who called them. I have never been so distraught in my life. I told only the truth and wouldn't have cared if they threw me in jail. Because I was not working under logic, I was working under a singular force to help find my loved one. Who was found thank god.

Added: I think this whole convo started because I said that IMO JW lying in this case was a betrayal of SS, and I do feel that level of disservice (misleading LE in a life and death situation) is a betrayal to the victims. I totally get it if you don't see it that way! I recognize and admit that I have a bit of an empathy block when it comes to this particular matter. Different opinions make the world go round!