DC - Savvas Savopoulos, family & Veralicia Figueroa murdered; Daron Wint Arrested #5

[Just K]

Yeah, but if you take Chain Bridge at rush hour, you can't take Canal all the way down. You have to make that left to get onto MacArthur, which is incredibly slow. I think it would be very unusual to make it from Chantilly to their neighborhood in less than 40 minutes at rush hour. JMO of course.

Yes, at rush hour definitely 40 minutes is unrealistic in either direction. But instead of MacArthur, you can take Arizona to Nebraska and cut down on a number of streets. I don't know how the traffic is, these days but I used to work, on Connecticut, right near the Zoo and the Uptown Theatre. I used to cut over on either Garfield or Porter...I only know it by sight. I always weaved my way through the neighborhoods.

 

[Just K]

But if the car was locked, as it was supposed to be (or else why would W1 default to it was locked when asked by LE) how did the money get stolen? I'm starting to think maybe his relationship with the S family was starting to sour - maybe SS started to pick up on his lies/shady behavior and was planning to fire him. Or maybe SS wasn't providing W1 with enough attention money for HIS racing, and he started to feel like the pit crew for a ten year-old, which was not why he was nice to the kid to begin with. I think he was nice to PS to gain the trust of SS, but it was all an act to get to his money, either as a sponsor or as a mark. When SS realized he had invited a viper into his midst, he realized he needed to get rid of him. Now Mr. Wanna-be-race-car-driver has NOBODY to support his race-car dreams - no AutoBahn, no BRC profits, no sponsors, no SS - and he has races coming up in Italy or wherever.

I think this guy is a pathological liar and a psychopath (they are often very charming). He doesn't seem to be able to maintain relationships (since it's always all about him) so he runs through people pretty quickly. The photo-posting on SM put the whole family at risk. If AS found out about it, I'm pretty sure she would want him away from her family. It just feels icky - like an invasion of privacy - that he posted photos of their stuff.

I've gotten this feeling, too.

 

[rkf]

His bro is a self-reported gang member? [emoji33]


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You can see his criminal charges here: http://casesearch.courts.state.md.u...-16544-p=1&partyType=&countyName=&middleName=

This is all public record. He is a very bad man. The pot doesn't bother me so much as the attempted murder, etc.

 

[Just K]

I found this earlier today. I found it interesting that at least one Certified Accountant (LCA) at the Hyattsville location was brought in to work (August 2012)on a Visa. His salary was higher than the average for the area and similar industries. His Visa expires in August of 2015.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
http://foreign-employment.findthedata.com/l/42954/AIW-Inc

 

[Cricket99]

According to "Dr Drew" he is a sociopath. You will never be able to understand how his mind works. He has no conscience. Even if Wint tells why he did what he did, we, as normal human beings will not ever understand it. No one else was involved IMO.

 

[rkf]

What did NG get out of it?

Maybe the photo was to show her he had their "split". I think it's odd that NG set up a "go fund me" page for VF. Early on, I thought they were friends, but her description of their relationship went from good friends to "I let her work with me" to "She works for me." All that could be just to show how important she is. She just has her hands all over everything in this case. She continuously put herself at the center of the investigation and the cameras. Maybe she is just a nut-job, but I think she is an avaricious nut-job.

 

[rkf]

That's an explanation for him going to NY, not returning back to DC.

Agreed. Maybe he thought they were looking for him in NYC, so they'd never think to look back in DC! This is a guy who was hanging out on his dad's porch the day after the murders and was SHOCKED when police named him as a POI. Only then did he take off for NYC. He thought he got away with it until then, so it's not a stretch that he thought he would out-fox LE using "reverse psychology". Only a crazy person would come back to DC, so of course he wouldn't do that. As if he is the epitome of sanity.

 

[Just K]

I have another issue with NG. She looks fairly young. How did she come here from El Salvador and start an LLC right away? How did she know how to start a company 20 years ago when she had to have been very young and possibly new to the country? It is all so curious.

Then there is the fact that she never called VF's husband to tell him what SS said in the message. Nor did she question why no one had a cord to charge VF's phone or why she didn't call either her husband or NG, herself...using either someone else's phone or possibly a house phone.

 

[Just K]

Maybe the photo was to show her he had their "split". I think it's odd that NG set up a "go fund me" page for VF. Early on, I thought they were friends, but her description of their relationship went from good friends to "I let her work with me" to "She works for me." All that could be just to show how important she is. She just has her hands all over everything in this case. She continuously put herself at the center of the investigation and the cameras. Maybe she is just a nut-job, but I think she is an avaricious nut-job.

About the go f*nd me page. I heard it was asking for money for both a service here and one in El Salvador as well as a private plane to transport her home. Why does it need to be so elaborate?

 

[al66pine]

Another picture of building
http://x.lnimg.com/photo/poster_768/775c7cf09b1148e3aea445886e639d4f.jpg
....

sbm

Are my eyes deceiving me? A USPS curbside mailbox w no lock, in 2015 in a US metro area, presumably for a business? Just wondering.

 

[SophieRose]

I have another issue with NG. She looks fairly young. How did she come here from El Salvador and start an LLC right away? How did she know how to start a company 20 years ago when she had to have been very young and possibly new to the country? It is all so curious.

Then there is the fact that she never called VF's husband to tell him what SS said in the message. Nor did she question why no one had a cord to charge VF's phone or why she didn't call either her husband or NG, herself...using either someone else's phone or possibly a house phone.

I think she's 49.

 

[SophieRose]

I understand the difference. But just making the point that a wealthy business owner can call the bank manager after 6 pm and get emergency cash for the next morning, if his life depended on it---which SS thought it did. He could have given a very believable reason for needing emergency cash, imo.

Some businesses do use cash in large amounts---for odd situations, or cash only auctions, etc.

I don't think it's going to be that easy to get a large amount of cash just like that, as discussed earlier. Unless he was doing it weekly and had an exception, but I don't know why he would need that much cash on a weekly basis.

http://finance.zacks.com/federal-banking-rules-withdrawing-large-sums-cash-1696.html

Exceptions

The law makes a few exceptions. A bank doesn't have to file a report on large cash transactions involving other banks or government agencies. It also allows banks to apply for exemptions for regular business customers. If, say, a bank has a department store as a customer, and that store's manager withdraws $20,000 in cash for the store safe or the registers, the bank doesn't have to make a report each time it happens. Instead, the bank can file a form with the IRS identifying the store as a regular business customer. This exemption must be renewed every year.

 

[katydid23]

But all that for 20K? She works for this family for 20 years and she has them killed for 20K? :no: I don't think so. I just don't see her being involved.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think it's going to be that easy to get a large amount of cash just like that, as discussed earlier. Unless he was doing it weekly and had an exception, but I don't know why he would need that much cash on a weekly basis.

http://finance.zacks.com/federal-banking-rules-withdrawing-large-sums-cash-1696.html

Exceptions

The law makes a few exceptions. A bank doesn't have to file a report on large cash transactions involving other banks or government agencies. It also allows banks to apply for exemptions for regular business customers. If, say, a bank has a department store as a customer, and that store's manager withdraws $20,000 in cash for the store safe or the registers, the bank doesn't have to make a report each time it happens. Instead, the bank can file a form with the IRS identifying the store as a regular business customer. This exemption must be renewed every year.

My brother- in-law used to get cash every few weeks to go to CASH ONLY auctions to buy various equipment/trucks/scrap metal etc.
I can imagine that with SS's various businesses, he had times he needed access to cash as well. If he had large accounts with the bank, then he is legally allowed to withdraw some of it. It is his money. And the bank has to write a report when it is over 10k, but it can do so. And given the urgency of the situation, I am sure that SS explained it was vital that he be given some of his cash.

 

[SophieRose]

My brother- in-law used to get cash every few weeks to go to CASH ONLY auctions to buy various equipment/trucks/scrap metal etc.
I can imagine that with SS's various businesses, he had times he needed access to cash as well. If he had large accounts with the bank, then he is legally allowed to withdraw some of it. It is his money. And the bank has to write a report when it is over 10k, but it can do so. And given the urgency of the situation, I am sure that SS explained it was vital that he be given some of his cash.

I'm sure he did and he was able to get $40k. But most banks require large amounts to be called in days advance. We don't live in a cash heavy world anymore, and really haven't in a long time.


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/06/cash-poor-is-the-new-rich

Technological advances in the banking system have caused the rich to abandon it [cash] practically altogether. Now, status is determined more by what’s absent from your wallet than by the value of the bills that remain inside. In fact, keeping a plethora of hundreds around seems gauche and marginally suspicious. “Only con men and grifters carry hundreds,” one big-spending friend from Palm Beach recently told me. “Drug dealers carry hundreds,” he attentively added. Exclusive credit cards, among other contemporary conveniences for A-list consumers, have overtaken old-fashioned notes as the premier method of payment.

 

[BrownRice]

I find it curious that it doesn't appear DW had a gun (only surmising since none of the victims are reported to have been shot). They were all stabbed I believe, so obviously he had at least one knife or similar. I have to assume he had AS, PS, and VF tied up before SS got home because if it was just 1 person coming into the house with 4 people, SS could have (easily?) taken him down at some point with his black belt level martial arts skills. I'm still surprised SS couldn't take DW down even with a knife - makes me really think maybe more than 1 person? Maybe the other person ate his pizza crust?

 

[BrownRice]

Another thought - my lesson learned from this case....If I am in this situation (unlikely since I'm not extremely rich), assume I'm going to be murdered when the bad guy gets what he wants, and make any desperate attempt for help (i.e. calling my bank for money and screaming help 911). Get it over with instead of dragging it out. Even if my family is with me.

Just like I've read from many other cases here, if I were to be abducted, do everything in my power to NOT be moved to another location (even if a gun is pointed at me). Most likely I'm going to be killed anyway, so get it over with immediately and not be tortured and raped and then killed in a field somewhere.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I have another issue with NG. She looks fairly young. How did she come here from El Salvador and start an LLC right away? How did she know how to start a company 20 years ago when she had to have been very young and possibly new to the country? It is all so curious.

Then there is the fact that she never called VF's husband to tell him what SS said in the message. Nor did she question why no one had a cord to charge VF's phone or why she didn't call either her husband or NG, herself...using either someone else's phone or possibly a house phone.

Maybe she came from an established family or had a business education or had even run a business there? I think it's great that she established herself so well as a new immigrant and see nothing suspicious in it, if anything that only makes her even less likely to be involved in this crime.

 

[stmarysmead]

Wanted to do a shout out :tyou: to a fellow poster... can't recall right now who that poster was :blush: ... but local WS'er who mentioned that the police report did not mention a WEDNESDAY siting of the Porsche. I finally found what you were referring to! :tyou: Please take a bow :goldcrown:

This is why so many minds are good at catching stuff as I had not recalled such!

Porsche was seen day before - reporting in MSM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...140154-fbf7-11e4-9030-b4732caefe81_story.html

This is the post I was referring to.

"The DAY BEFORE ...they were found dead." Just poor reporting by WAPO???

 

[Cassie P]

I don't know. This is the odd detail that doesn't make sense to me, in any scenario.

I suppose it's possible that neither man in the truck wanted to volunteer a personal vehicle, and they needed a second vehicle, so one of the men decided to use his employer's vehicle. This might end up being a fast route to unemployment, as the truck was impounded along with the car for forensic examination. However, it might simply be that no other vehicle was owned by the men, and no one else with a vehicle wanted to loan theirs for this purpose.

Also I presume that both of the Wint brothers were avoiding the use of any family vehicles for fear of being spotted before reaching police. You can fault the decision making, but in their minds maybe this all made sense. "We have to get to the police before they get to us." The plan could even have come down as an edict from the father, to present themselves in person to the D.C. police.

Another possibility is that he was planning more robberies. He fancied himself as someone who could successfully evade capture, but he would need money to do so. And the reason he had to come back to DC is because he had already done the planning, casing of the theft locations, already knew exactly what he wanted and where. If he went to a new city he would have to start from scratch.