Discussions on Formal Sentencing Hearing - Jodi Arias #9

[prima.facie]

What KCL has written about MK is spot on, her information regarding his practices and agenda are accurate. At the heart of what KCL (please correct me if I am wrong KCL) is saying is that MK, in fact, is claiming to be a JOURNALIST when he is not (and to add insult to injury he writes for the most widely read newspaper in the state of AZ: The Arizona Republic); nowhere under his name does it list that he is a Commentary Journalist, Opinion Journalist, or Advocacy Journalist. And while being completely objective is a lofty goal and is a hard thing to achieve for any journalist/reporter, what matters is that the reporter strives/aspires to realize this goal. Not the exact opposite, like MK, of getting as much of your personal opinion and agenda into what is reported while trying to hide your lack of objectivity.

There are four main types of news reporters/writers today; Journalists, Commentary Journalists, Opinion Journalists and Advocacy Journalists. All of which are fine as long as they are clearly identified and defined as to what they actually are. In fact, there are plenty of commentary journalists out there, many of whom I disagree with but respect simply because they are up front and honest about the fact that they are COMMENTARY JOURNALISTS or the like.. Commentary, Opinion and Advocacy Journalism (btw-AJ is especially known for inaccuracies and outright untruths)should NEVER be presented as objective/credible/neutral news reporting (i.e., Journalism in it's true form).

Journalism is about Credibility, Objectivity and Neutrality--the factual information is imparted and the viewer is left to determine what the information means to them without IMPROPER INFLUENCE. It is, nothing more or nothing less than insulting to tell someone how they should think, feel, or respond to news information--and for these opinion/commentary/advocacy journalists to use powerful platforms, under the guise of Journalism, to spew and propogate their worldviews/personal agendas borders on being a propagandist in my view..

So the core concern/issue related to MK's articles as I see it, is simple, he is not a Journalist. It is not about how he looks, whether or not you like his writing style, or even about the content of the topics he writes about...it is about whether he is being factual, providing ALL of the known facts, and whether or not he projects his own opinions/biases into what he writes.

FWIW, by definition, his J17 piece was a perfect example of Opinion Journalism and Advocacy Journalism combined, disingenuously masquerading as Journalism.

just wanted to say this is simply brilliantly stated and absolute truth. thanks for posting it - as i feel the same, but would never be able to word it as well as you did!

how anyone can defend MK or even give him a slight pass is beyond my comprehension.

 

[FelicityLemon]

Bwahahahahahaha!

 

[dog.gone.cute]

The JAII website is down! :happydance:

I hope it's down for good.

:seeya: Nosey Nellie here ... I just checked and it's still there :gaah: !

 

[stillwatersc]

If that is true, my guess would be for the safety of those who must screen jail mail. Maybe they fear there could be contraband that could harm the person opening the envelope.

You can't be too careful in cases where the crazies are drawn like flies to a cowpie.

LOL - let me wipe that up for you. :sponge:

 

[FelicityLemon]

Wow, I'm seeing a lot of misinformation here today.

The National Center for Due Process is most definitely Jason Weber's group. He is the President/chair and is the one who submitted the initial filing paperwork.

I respectfully request if people are going to correct things, before doing so, take the time to research and be very certain in your correction.

The Board has flipped all over the place, with a recent change on March 17 with the board now down to only three members. The two constants since formation are Jason Weber and Elizabeth Schilling. This organization was originally incorporated as Jodi Arias Defense Fund.

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Well, I can certainly understand why they changed the name! More people will be misled and willing to support not knowing it was created to fund ja. Amazing. And disgusting.

And more than that, it's actually frightening that naive people will believe that it is a genuine organization with honest goals. Just my opinion.

It's terrifying to realize that naive people don't know that anybody and their dog can create a website, make up an official sounding name and solicit donations for something like this.

 

[audreyparker]

Yes, but MK is biased in such a mean-hearted way. It's not like he's throwing out a differing voice on a subject for purposes of discussion. It's not like he's trying to get people to open their minds and see things in more than just black or white. I see varying opinions all the time from people I respect, not for their opinion but for the way they express it.

We had a member on WS in the Caylee forums whose opinion was unpopular, yet that member was highly respected in the forums. That is because their posts got people thinking, and all their posts were very respective of others' opinions. They took a stance that never wavered because it was a stance they truly believed in, and even though I did not agree with much that they said, I thoroughly enjoyed reading their posts because I found them to be well thought out and sincere. Defensive, not offensive.

MK either doesn't have a clue, or he does and just does not care.

I agree about MK. Not only is he mean, he has obvious biases that don't allow him to be objective and report facts. It's fine to be anti-DP, but that doesn't mean you have to embrace the murderer and vilify the victim. To me, he is pro-CMJA AND anti-JM. IMO he bought CMJA's bs about the supposed domestic violence since he repeatedly told many people (KCL) included that he thought the charge should have been 2nd degree manslaughter. He's fb friends with several people from the defense side and arias family members. These relationships have impaired his ability to be even a little objective. For instance, his last article was all about J17 and her identity being leaked with no mention that CMJA's site published 11 (11!!) other jurors names. And those names seem like they are leaked to one of the 6 people who had the list. And he also conveniently forgot to mention that J17's husband called the media! He could have at least mentioned those facts, but he chose not to. He has that black and white thinking mentioned a few days ago about this case. iMO, he views CMJA, the dt and family as good and JM and the prosecution as bad.

 

[audreyparker]

Amanda Knox's final appeal to the highest Italian court will be this week of April 23. No sure exactly which day or if the verdict will be rendered immediately. Couldn't find an open discussion about this on WS.

About Jodi Arias, why the appeals to postpone the inevitable? All this is doing is costing more. On the other hand, I can see how this is actually good for less appeal issues. Get it all over with now, put the murderer in a cage and tell her to STFU because legally everything has been done. Jodi will try to find appeal issues. What else is there for her to do?

I think she is trying to postpone the inevitable for two reasons. One, because she's a control freak and she can't stand anyone telling her what to do, where to go or how to do it. She hates authority because she believes no one has the right to tell her what to do. She views every delay as a win for her and as a justification that she is powerful.

Two- she knows PV is not a fun place and it's worse than where she is now. So every second she can delay her move there is one more second she's more comfortable.

 

[Nancy_Drew]

Every once in awhile, there is a case that not everyone agrees with or finds problems with the evidence, and all you can do is to try to be respectful to both sides.. But, how can anyone in this case? There is no disputing that Jodi killed Travis. Nothing that could change the way that he was murdered, or how he was murdered. I mean, we practically have the entire crime on video.
Last night I was reading at JAII, and there is a comment that not only is Jodi still covering for the real killers, but, that the real killers lurk on their site, looking for new ideas. , When I finally stopped laughing, I realized they were serious.

I read that stuff too... I was dying! Unbelievable... My most hilarious thing is, all that stuff is what they think is going to get JA out on appeal...

 

[FelicityLemon]

:seeya: Nosey Nellie here ... I just checked and it's still there :gaah: !

Are you getting anything? The web address shows in the address bar, but the page it completely blank for me. No other back pages come up for me, either.

 

[audreyparker]

Are you getting anything? The web address shows in the address bar, but the page it completely blank for me. No other back pages come up for me, either.

I just looked on my iPad and it's still there. The latest post is that fantastical tale that they need to find someone who is rich to put up a reward for the gun and people will fall so in love with CMJA that in all 50 states people will be checking serial numbers of their guns in the hopes of setting the goddess free!

It would be hysterically funny if I didnt find it absolutely terrifying that there are people who really believe this carp.

 

[sammie]

Are you getting anything? The web address shows in the address bar, but the page it completely blank for me. No other back pages come up for me, either.

That usually happens if you are banned ?

The site is there and functioning for me.

 

[nwmouse]

That usually happens if you are banned ?

The site is there and functioning for me.

Yup, its there for me too. :banghead:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Are you getting anything? The web address shows in the address bar, but the page it completely blank for me. No other back pages come up for me, either.

:seeya: Yep -- I am getting the 'original' format ... looks like everything I have seen before is there.

And all the :crazy: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: :nuts: are there as well !

:hilarious: LOL !

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

If she tries suing the other jurors for some reason, they'll counter sue. J17's husband is the one that outed her. And they were already out pursuing media interviews and book deal(s) on about Day 1. It's the other jurors who really have a case for privacy issues.

I know Juror 17 did an interview to tell her side. Do you have a link to the pursuing of interviews and book deals. I haven't found anything on it. Thanks.

 

[mydirtysecret]

I think she is trying to postpone the inevitable for two reasons. One, because she's a control freak and she can't stand anyone telling her what to do, where to go or how to do it. She hates authority because she believes no one has the right to tell her what to do. She views every delay as a win for her and as a justification that she is powerful.

Two- she knows PV is not a fun place and it's worse than where she is now. So every second she can delay her move there is one more second she's more comfortable.

Can You direct me to evidence that concluded without a reasonable doubt she was incahoots with rudy guede? I mean this sincerely because i am not convinced at all In her guilt maybe im missing something

 

[Nancy_Drew]

This is REALLY GOOD!! In case you have seen this already I am posting a link to the 12 page letter CMJA wrote to JSS asking for a new attorney...

I had never seen it before and found it very interesting. There is so much information in it that offers deeper insight into CMJA's crazy thought process.

(I found this link over at the JAII website)
http://archive.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/jodi-arias-nurmi-motion.pdf

 

[Mindmatters]

just looked up elizabeth ann schilling (lisa?) on facebook, who may have been involved in the three way call with maria and ja. She is ceo of the national center for due process. They advocate against the death penalty. On their site there is a post on the day of the verdict talking about the verdict and juror17. I am shocked. She says the juror made her way onto the jury.

Edited to add: You must read her whole post. March 5th and 6th. They are advocating anti death penalty people to be dishonest and get on the jury in death penalty cases so they can hang the jury!

wth...

 

[gcharlie]

Here's my speculation on the juror's names being leaked to JAII.

I have to believe they came from CMJA, but I am not sure exactly how she got them. My thought is that she kept record during jury selection and she passed this information onto one or more of her buddies at JAII. This might include Simon, but definitely included Pandora (now exposed as Olga) and Maria, AKA Anna in some of her secret FB groups. Maria is not to be confused with MDLR. I think these names were leaked at the very beginning for the purpose of monitoring social media to try to force a mistrial. KIM that Nurmi filed a motion to compel potential juror's SM accounts. On February 23, Simon posted a Code Red message to Pandora on JAII, telling her to look for an email he had just sent. The timing of this was literally minutes before two jurors went into chambers with JSS. One female was dismissed due to a death in her family and a male was dismissed with the reason still unknown. My bet is that when the records on this are unsealed, the reason for his dismissal will be related to something connected to SM.

How could CMJA relay this information? My bet is via the phone. She was able to make as many calls as she could squeeze into an hour. She could have easily given the names of several jurors to one person, and then more names to another person over a series of phone calls saying these were people who had just written to her, or who she needed to write back to and thank for their support. MCSO would have had no way of knowing juror names and this would have seemed like an boring piece of the conversation, especially if she had be building up to this.

Like I said, this is speculation on my part.

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[krkrjx]

Every once in awhile, there is a case that not everyone agrees with or finds problems with the evidence, and all you can do is to try to be respectful to both sides.. But, how can anyone in this case? There is no disputing that Jodi killed Travis. Nothing that could change the way that he was murdered, or how he was murdered. I mean, we practically have the entire crime on video.
Last night I was reading at JAII, and there is a comment that not only is Jodi still covering for the real killers, but, that the real killers lurk on their site, looking for new ideas. , When I finally stopped laughing, I realized they were serious.

Some of her crazed followers are saying she didn't do it. Others say she did it but with good cause.

Kiefer is against DP and I'm good with that because anti-DP can actually be a noble cause. But there is a right way and a wrong way to go about effecting change. Just look at the pro-lifers who fight for their cause in the right way vs those who don't. Many people oppose abortion but do not express their opinions against the taking of human life by...the taking of human life, i.e., killing doctors or other clinic personnel. By the same token, a smear campaign against the victim in a murder trial being applauded by a journalist is just not an acceptable way to express anti-DP sentiments.

If Kiefer wants to get people thinking about DP, fine--there are acceptable ways to express such an opinion. Kiefer, IMO, goes about it in the wrong way and since I do not believe him to be a stupid person, my mind goes immediately to the conclusion that what he says is designed to cause pain to the victim's family--all because he does not agree with them for wanting the death penalty for the murderer of their loved one. That's not good journalism.

 

[audreyparker]

Can You direct me to evidence that concluded without a reasonable doubt she was incahoots with rudy guede? I mean this sincerely because i am not convinced at all In her guilt maybe im missing something

I think you may have quoted the wrong post. I have no idea who Rudy guede is and that name wasn't mentioned in my post that you quoted.