Egypt Air flight 804 missing, 19 May 2016

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The avionics bay (onboard computer) can only be accessed from the outside. #MS804

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ms804-mediterranean-paris-cairo-a7037126.html

More of names of the passengers have now been released:


- Ahmed Helal was a business executive who directed Procter and Gamble's Amiens manufacturing site. His death sent shock waves through the northern French town.
The 41-year-old French-Egyptian husband and father with the bright smile was a beloved figure at the consumer goods company, which described his disappearance as a "huge loss".
P&R spokeswoman Segolene Moreau said Mr Helal, who was travelling for a holiday, was "extremely valued by his employees. He really was exemplary".

- Mohammed Saleh Zayada was a 62-year-old Unesco scholar who specialised in translation and history and was one of five brothers.
His brother Malek said his older sibling was heading to Sudan through Egypt to visit relatives and to mourn his mother, who died just four days before the crash.
He was supposed to head to Sudan 10 days before the crash but had to postpone that trip because of work. "He wanted to see my mother before she died. He wanted to see her. He felt so bad for missing her," Malek Zayada said.
He added that he spoke to his Sudanese-French brother as he boarded the plane, and Malek was waiting for him at Khartoum airport when he heard that the plane was missing.

- Frenchman Pierre Heslouin was a 74-year-old management consultant from the Paris suburb of Val-de-Marne.
He was using the trip to spend time with his son, 41-year-old Quentin Heslouin. The family was still mourning the death of Pierre's wife Edith, who died in 2015 after a long illness.
The elder Heslouin leaves behind four other children and nine grandchildren.

- Sahar Khoga was a Saudi woman who had worked at her country's embassy in Cairo for 13 years. She was in Paris to follow up on her daughter's medical treatment there.
According to the Saudi daily newspaper Okaz, the 52-year-old was visiting her daughter Sally, 22, who was battling cancer.
A cousin told the newspaper that Ms Khoga had been accompanied on the trip by relatives, including her sister and their sons. The sister and her sons returned two days before the crash and only Ms Khoga and her daughter were left in Paris.

- Pascal Hess was a freelance music photographer from Evreux in the French region of Normandy who was travelling to Egypt on holiday to see a friend and visit the Red Sea.
Local media reported that the 50-year-old nearly missed out on the trip after he misplaced his passport. He found it after several days of searching.
Friend Didier Roubinoff confirmed that Mr Hess was among those on Flight 804 via Facebook and posted a photo of him with the caption "Adieu, my friend".
A 2010 video on YouTube shows Mr Hess in a black shirt and trademark shades talking about capturing the energy and excitement of local rock concerts with his lens.

- Mohammed Shoukair, 36, was remembered as a hard-working aviator who sought all his life to be a pilot.
Childhood friend Sherif al-Metanawi said family and friends are "traumatised, especially about the body, whether it will be found or remain to be missing".
 
I am starting to think this was mechanical or structure failure.Nothing seen on satellites and no big debris field also the way the plane behaved prior to crashing.This thought helps me to get on the plane.

Calmer today ... me too,

IMO this is moving to metal fatigue- to the media, -terrorism is much more exciting than a plane malfunction. More people watching

The plane was abused, peroid. take your car out and put the gas pedal to the floor for 9 hours, your car will croke..................

There is no reason to think that the schedule of the aircraft the last 5 days is any different for the last whatever 8 months. Its super complicated when you have to do an eauipment change .

The new plane was suppossed to go somewhere, so that messes up those segments, flight crews and cockpit folks have flying limits, so you may have to get new flight crew, or cabin crew .

The gate may not be open after you do all this. Connections are missed, exhusting gate staff.

How long is it gonna take you to put the broken aircraft back in service? When that happens how when where , do you get the covering aircraft back inot its regular routine?

Mechanics are teling them I can xxxx back into service at xxxxx. They fall behind. No aircraft for that segment. Gate agents have to try to get all these people somewhere.

The gate agents - the airline does not want to get them into overtime so they bring in a whole bunch of new gate people that have no idea what the people at the gate have been going through. Throw in some weather and some gate holds and you have well, air travel in the world..................... mooo

Oh my goodness I hate it when I forget--- a checked bag is in the aircraft 4 gates down but no passenger on the plane . We gotta find the bag and take it off. Now there are 3 flights wanting the gate .

It is truly tough stuff- manageable before deregulation, afterwards well here we are .....please arrive at the airport before your birth date..............
 
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BREAKING: Rockwell Collins confirms it delivered ACARS error messages from #MS804 to EgyptAir

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The avionics bay (onboard computer) can only be accessed from the outside. #MS804

[video=youtube;rd960o1nK8M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd960o1nK8M[/video]

So is that just behind the pilots near the first class bathrooms?
 
Not sure Plumeria5. I only remember that movie with Jodi Foster in it about the avionics compartment/bay. ha! Here's a generic layout of a plane. Searching for an A320 still. This is approximately where Jodi went down to the bay.

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I shared yesterday that I was about to take my husband to the airport. Luckily I got him there very early. There was the tightest security there I have ever seen. Definitely has been ramped up because of the Egyptair crash. Barely stopped to let my husband out and they were waving me to drive away. My husband text to say they had several bomb-sniffing dogs checking the luggage. This is very unusual for our airport to show such presence.

oNLY MO, what the game is to put a bunch of people in uniforms for about three days or so, all back to regular afterwards. Cool the panicking public, without doing a darn thing.

O/t but not really I would love to know what the overtime was for the Boston bombing-- CAPTURED , he was not"captured, he fell out of some boat after a smoker called 911!

Same here, all this " security", would love for someone to fly in the next three days, and then next week, it will be different!

But IMO, where we all get messed up is we look at all this from a deterent point of view. Someone who has, before starting, wants to die, and is willing to do so, (wanting to actualy) could care less how many men and woman are standing around

there is no deterint for anyone who starts out planning to die in the end

depressing yes, the truth yes
 
As I have mentioned before, I work at a US airport in communications. A few months ago, it went into effect the requirement of employee screening upon entering the terminal. It also means you need to get to work 1/2 hour early than usual (that you are not paid for). I bring all my own food and beverages for my shift in a rolling backpack due to the distance from where I park to where I work. I have to have my hands swabbed, get patted down, and my bags checked and swabbed. Just a couple of weeks ago, my backpack set off the sensor from the swab. Only thing I could think of was my homemade Mexican food that I brought for dinner. This set off a whole circus of secondary screening and testing. I managed to punch in right on the dot.

The point of my story is, employees who work for other companies inside the perimeter ie. fuelers, cargo, have the ability to travel in the inner perimeter, have access to the terminal and aircraft, do not have to go through this screening.So, there are holes in the system.

I understand that the investigation of this incident is on going but I just wanted to give an example of a possible scenario JMO
 
oNLY MO, what the game is to put a bunch of people in uniforms for about three days or so, all back to regular afterwards. Cool the panicking public, without doing a darn thing.

O/t but not really I would love to know what the overtime was for the Boston bombing-- CAPTURED , he was not"captured, he fell out of some boat after a smoker called 911!

Same here, all this " security", would love for someone to fly in the next three days, and then next week, it will be different!

But IMO, where we all get messed up is we look at all this from a deterent point of view. Someone who has, before starting, wants to die, and is willing to do so, (wanting to actualy) could care less how many men and woman are standing around

there is no deterint for anyone who starts out planning to die in the end

depressing yes, the truth yes

And regarding the Boston Bomber, were you one of the ones like me that listened to the entire arrest over the scanner thread?? Unbelievable!
 
As I have mentioned before, I work at a US airport in communications. A few months ago, it went into effect the requirement of employee screening upon entering the terminal. It also means you need to get to work 1/2 hour early than usual (that you are not paid for). I bring all my own food and beverages for my shift in a rolling backpack due to the distance from where I park to where I work. I have to have my hands swabbed, get patted down, and my bags checked and swabbed. Just a couple of weeks ago, my backpack set off the sensor from the swab. Only thing I could think of was my homemade Mexican food that I brought for dinner. This set off a whole circus of secondary screening and testing. I managed to punch in right on the dot.

The point of my story is, employees who work for other companies inside the perimeter ie. fuelers, cargo, have the ability to travel in the inner perimeter, have access to the terminal and aircraft, do not have to go through this screening.So, there are holes in the system.

I understand that the investigation of this incident is on going but I just wanted to give an example of a possible scenario JMO

Thanks for sharing your own experience. Yes if you were to put explosives on a plane catering, baggage handling & maintenance are the weak points I don't know what can be done to improve things. The planes have such a quick turnaround and the airports are so busy it seems impossible to ensure high security at all times.
 
An aviation investigator tweeted that food service carts aren't usually screened. Don't know if they are or aren't but that's interesting too.
 
In all of the instances. You can't shut the door after the horse has bolted.
Terrorists have only 1 thing on their minds...
I give you a clue..... it's in their name....

Yes TERRORISE.

And as RT51 said quite rightly . For working in communications.. inside the workings of an airport. The security for them to get into the office was strict and followed thru correctly.

And yet employees working on cargo fuelers baggage loaders. There can be any 1 of a dozen ppl around the tarmac with access to the planes... it should be an all for one system. Especially if Airport staff are being recruited by agencies that are of a dubious nature.

Jmo

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Unverified Data Points to Rapid Loss of Control Aboard EgyptAir Jet

At 2:26 a.m., a message indicated that the right cockpit window has been opened. This could have been done to vent smoke, Mr. Mann said, or something else could have cause the breach.

Over the next two minutes, there were two smoke indications, one in a bathroom and another in the avionics bay, the part of the plane where much of its electronic equipment is housed.

Mr. Mann cautioned that these messages did not necessarily mean that there was a fire. The messages could also have been triggered by rapid decompression of the aircraft, which can produce condensation that the plane’s sensors could mistake for smoke.

Finally at 2:29, there were two more alerts having to do with the plane’s flight control computer systems.

“The last two are troubling,” Mr. Mann said. “You are starting to really see things rapidly degrade.”

First, there was a problem with the autoflight control computer. The jet would have been flying near its maximum speed and elevation at that time. That is the most efficient way for jetliners to fly, and it is completely safe, Mr. Mann said, but pilots prefer to rely on autopilot systems in those conditions because if they were to ever lose control of the plane, it could be hard to regain. That is why pilots sometimes call those conditions the “coffin corner,” he said.

The last message had to do with the spoiler elevator controller, which essentially controls the flaps responsible for controlling the pitch and roll of the airplane. A computer controlling the flaps failed as well.

“It looks to me like you have a progressive flight control system failure,” Mr. Mann said. It appeared to take place over the course of two minutes, which might seem like an eternity on that plane, but is relatively fast.

more

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/21/w...version=Full&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article

Cockpit window opened.
 
I need to stop following this thread. You guys are way too good at digging up the scary stuff ( <-- that's me trying to be funny and give a compliment at the same time). Thinking of you cuffem! And also the other poster who said they were flying this weekend (I apologize for not remembering your name).
 
And this is why I don't fly.. I pray it wasn't terrorism.. I just don't know what to think. :(


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"Cockpit window was opened" may be stretching things a bit. I don't think anybody voluntarily "opened a window" in the cockpit at 37,000 ft.

Several other possibilities: Cockpit window sensor failed. Cockpit window cracked. Cockpit window exploded.

Smoke sensors also went off - in a lavatory right behind the cockpit and in an "avionics bay" right below that lav. Over two more minutes other major systems began to fail, based on information that was automatically transmitted from the plane to the ground.

The plane plunged from 37,000 ft. down to 15, 000 ft. and momentarily leveled. Then it was lost off radar.

The Egyptian navy has confirmed finding luggage debris and human body parts. A satellite image may have picked up an oil slick in the area.
 
Hi, really interesting reading what everyone has to say on here. Can I ask is it normal to be flying that high at that speed when according to the media they were relatively close to landing? Thanks
 

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