Egypt Air flight 804 missing, 19 May 2016

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25 year average lifespan continues to be an accurate measurement.

This increases to 27.4 years if "involuntary" retirements (i.e. accidents and incidents where the aircraft is written off) are excluded.

35% of all retirees had been previously stored for more than 5 years. From an investor’s standpoint, this down-time is of little or no value and the analysis should therefore start the retirement clock at the point of initial storage. This further, but critical, adjustment reduces the average age at retirement by 1.5 years to 25.9 years.Over 31,000 jet airliners have been delivered since the dawn of the jet age and two thirds of them are in service today. The vast majority (96%) have been operated for commercial purposes by airlines over most, if not all, of their lives which, on average, have spanned 25.6 years.

Most retirement decisions are a direct and simple function of age, when an operator concludes that the cost of maintaining and operating an aircraft exceeds the financial contribution it can earn.

Often the decision is triggered by a specific event, usually the requirement to complete a costly major maintenance event.

At certain times in an industry cycle, the value of an aircraft, even a relatively young one, may be exceeded by the value of its major components, especially engines, causing owners (though not usually operators) to retire the asset prematurely for part-out.

The regionals tend to do more short haul like this plane did. Hops. I found this fascinating and important to add in to this crash.

The regional jet category, ., appears to display very different characteristics, with an average retirement age of 12 years.

..........the A320 family database, average age at retirement increases from 18.3 years to 19.1 years. For A320s only, the average age is 19.4 years.
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http://www.airfinancejournal.com/Ar...rticleId=3341243&SitemapReference=latest-news

This issue is vital - in that it will IMO impact recoery decisions. If the search is going into with the notion of a bomb the tail and fuselage of the aircraft become more important.

If they are going into the search with the notion of mechanicl/fire, the cockpit/avionics (Wiring) would be most important to pull up.

It changes the priorites of the recovery operation IMO

 
AIRLIVE ‏@airlivenet 2h2 hours ago
BREAKING CBS reporting black box data recorder of downed EgyptAir #MS804 has been found http://ift.tt/251rANM

from link

21/05/2016 04:05
CBS are reporting that the black box data recorder of downed EgyptAir flight 804 has been found in the area close to where the debris was discovered. They quote 'Egyptian government sources' but nothing has been confirmed yet.

A crew from Britain's ITV News on the ground in Cairo also claim EgyptAir are not denying the claim.

Scroll down link for video of debris found. Everything torn apart.

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-egyptair-flight-ms804-from-paris-to-cairo-disappears-from-radar/
 
[video=twitter;733996956272480256]https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/733996956272480256[/video]

AIRLIVE ‏@airlivenet 1h1 hour ago
BREAKING First pictures of Egyptair #MS804 debris http://ift.tt/251rANM

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AIRLIVE ‏@airlivenet 2h2 hours ago
BREAKING CBS reporting black box data recorder of downed EgyptAir #MS804 has been found http://ift.tt/251rANM

from link

21/05/2016 04:05
CBS are reporting that the black box data recorder of downed EgyptAir flight 804 has been found in the area close to where the debris was discovered. They quote 'Egyptian government sources' but nothing has been confirmed yet.

A crew from Britain's ITV News on the ground in Cairo also claim EgyptAir are not denying the claim.

Scroll down link for video of debris found. Everything torn apart.

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-egyptair-flight-ms804-from-paris-to-cairo-disappears-from-radar/

That would be good news that the black box has been found, but with the reporting that has been going on, I question if the box was actually located and retrieved or if they have just heard the pings from the box? Maybe the problem is with the language translation?
 
Our friend that is staying with us is actually from Tehran and spent many years flying freighters in the Middle East. Currently living in Australia and has gone from the Airbus to the 787, so he is a wealth of information. I have shown him the majority of wonderful information supplied by many others on the sight, his advice was hands down, any of these alerts do not bring an A/C down. Also mentioned up line that a window was opened, which not be done to vent an A/C at 37,0000 ft. Venting is done on or below 10,000 feet. Such a tragedy.

We have retained you (without pay of course) to be our spy. Please interagate your friend fully. If you must keep he/she hostage so you can pump him for information feel free to so!!

Within your contract with WS you are mandated to post every utterance made !! HA!

would love to hear his take on ACARS, and "Since we got ACARS, does that increase the liklihood that the recorders would still be running for the three minutes the ACARS was transmitting?" TIA!!

pics from

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36349882

Dont see soot or fire damage just sayin!

Reasonable size plane interesting that the airlines name is on most of the wreckage found - again just noting!!

One pic has english and their language, but the life vests are English only!

On page above video did an animation and all that stuff about the plane doing a 360 looks like the beginning of a stall and spiral downward, not they silly way it had intially described!
 
There are so many scenarios, yet all of them equally ranking (at least to date, IMO). I'm wondering if it was indeed a terror attack, why hasn't any group claimed responsibilty so far? Maintaining silence because there's maybe more to come?
 
Here's a story about someone lighting fires in the toilet of an airbus on its way to Egypt, last year:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...-plane-flying-Birmingham-Sharm-el-Sheikh.html

But that didn't result in a crash.

An non-airbus story:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ied-fires-lit-etihad-airways-flight-australia

The smoke could be a coincidence and not the actual cause of the crash.

Thank you. What is the likelihood that the black box recordings will be made public? If I remember rightly they weren't released in the Russian plane crash a few months back.
 
AIRLIVE ‏@airlivenet 2h2 hours ago
BREAKING CBS reporting black box data recorder of downed EgyptAir #MS804 has been found http://ift.tt/251rANM

from link

21/05/2016 04:05
CBS are reporting that the black box data recorder of downed EgyptAir flight 804 has been found in the area close to where the debris was discovered. They quote 'Egyptian government sources' but nothing has been confirmed yet.

A crew from Britain's ITV News on the ground in Cairo also claim EgyptAir are not denying the claim.

Scroll down link for video of debris found. Everything torn apart.

http://www.airlive.net/breaking-egyptair-flight-ms804-from-paris-to-cairo-disappears-from-radar/

Thanx doc the video was much better than stills!!

Thank you. What is the likelihood that the black box recordings will be made public? If I remember rightly they weren't released in the Russian plane crash a few months back.

My guess is we have a much better chance here -- BEA is second in control , and they like the NTSB - dont pull secret stuff.

If ya wanna see an example of the 1000's of pages of stuff NTSB releases ( this is for one accident only!) BEA is identical!

http://dms.ntsb.gov/pubdms/search/hitlist.cfm?docketID=55433&CFID=149111&CFTOKEN=59974082

That would be good news that the black box has been found, but with the reporting that has been going on, I question if the box was actually located and retrieved or if they have just heard the pings from the box? Maybe the problem is with the language translation?

I think they mean just located, probably by the pings! Since ACARS we know we should have at least 3 minutes of something "telling"-- lets hope !
 
The Meaning of Jihadist Silence on the EgyptAir Crash

Judging by the pattern of previous claims, if the Islamic State, al Qaeda or a regional affiliate were behind this attack, we would have expected to see a claim of responsibility by now. The lack of a claim, however, does not rule out terrorism in the EgyptAir incident. The Islamic State and al Qaeda are most powerful when it comes to their ideology and their propaganda is more useful at inspiring grassroots jihadists to conduct their own attacks than in providing quality instruction on how to carry out an attack. If this were a grassroots attack, carried out independently by a cell in France, Tunisia or Eritrea (all locations where the aircraft had been over the 24-hour period before it crashed), then jihadist leaders and their media wings would be scrambling along with the rest of us to figure out what happened. As in the San Bernardino attack, it might take a few days for the jihadist propaganda arms to formulate a response.

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/meaning-jihadist-silence-egyptair-crash

Daily ExpressVerified account ‏@Daily_Express 6m6 minutes ago
#ISIS prepares statement: Speculation mounts #EgyptAir #MS804 crash WAS a terror attack http://shr.gs/we54BjD

Again, take it for what it's worth. An annoucement they are Preparing a statement?
 
Not sure of the exact date, but in the last few days, a meteor was spotted over New England and video taped by many.
May 18th.
[video=youtube;W5Vda_bJBTo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Vda_bJBTo[/video]
 
Wow!
That meteor looked like it could cause some damage. Was it just passing in the atmosphere or did it do a crash landing somewhere?
 
Wow!
That meteor looked like it could cause some damage. Was it just passing in the atmosphere or did it do a crash landing somewhere?

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/05/17/meteor-maine-new-england-meteorite-reward-fireball/
The American Meteor Society reported more than 300 sightings in Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania and parts of Canada.

The Maine Mineral & Gem Museum suspects the meteor crashed into the woods of northwestern Maine, based on preliminary findings. It’s offering a $20,000 reward if someone recovers a piece of the meteorite weighing at least 2.2 pounds.
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The meteor seen from Vermont (Image credit Burlington International Airport)
 
"An Egyptian husband and wife who sold everything to pay for lifesaving cancer treatment were killed onboard Flight 804 and their deaths leave their three young children as orphans.

Ahmed Ashery, 31, sold his family's flat and car to raise money so his wife Reham could undergo cancer surgery in France, according the Egyptian newspaper Masrawy.

The couple left their young son and two daughters with his mother and spent a month in Paris, where Mrs Ashery had surgery and seemed on the path to a full recovery.

Mr Ashery called his family in Egypt on Monday and told them that they were finally coming home."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-orphans-left-behind-after-parents-killed-re/

Tragic. R.I.P Mr & Mrs Ashery & all 66 victims on Egyptair MS804. I hope Egyptair provides appropriate compensation so that these orphaned children and all the families do not suffer from financial hardship due to this disaster. I am disgusted by Germanwings/Lufthansa's behaviour in the crash caused by their suicidal & murderous pilot.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ke-detected-inside-the-aircraft-cabin-as-sea/

Live
EgyptAir crash: Flight data seems to 'point towards a bomb' as first images of debris emerge

A commercial pilot with a major European airline told The Telegraph that other parts of the data log suggested that windows in the right side of the cockpit were blown out by an explosion inside the aircraft.

"It looks like the right front and side window were blown out, most probably from inside out," said the pilot, who flies an A330 similar to the crashed A320 and spoke on condition of anonymity.

The data was taken from the plane's Acars system, which sends short transmissions from the aircraft to receivers on the ground.

Until investigators find the aircraft's black boxes, which are still missing in the Mediterannean, the Acars offers the best sens on what was happening aboard.

Three different warnings showed there were faults in the windows next to the co-pilot, suggesting they could have been blasted outwards by an onboard bomb. That does not mean the explosion came from the cockpit but indicates the right side of the plane was more badly damaged than the left.

The pilot suggested the smoke detectors may have been triggered not fire but by fog which filled the cabin as it lost air pressure in the moments after the explosion.

Ominous graffitti

In a dark premonition of things to come, it has emerged that the crashed aircraft had once been daubed with graffiti by vandals who wrote: "We will bring this plane down".

The New York Times reported that the vandalism was done two years ago and was a protest against Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, the Egyptian president who seized power in a coup, rather than a jihadist threat.
 
Jenan Moussa ‏@jenanmoussa
I finished listening to 31 min speech of IS spokesman AlAdnani. No mention whatsoever of #EgyptAir #MS804 crash. @akhbar

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa

It could be domestic terrorism, a lone wolf or someone or a small group with a grievance with the airline or just a tragic accident. It's going to be interesting to see how this pans out.
 

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