UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[DS2021]

Hoping the family gets answers today, its 306 pm there rn

 

[Doric Loon]

On page 3 of this thread there were lots of photos posted of the immediate area. It's worth a look if you haven't seen them yet. There has been demolition works ongoing on the same side of the road as the river path therefore some of the buildings seen on Google Maps are no longer there. There's a huge expanse of waste land and temporary fencing. Any fixed walls that may have been there previously are no longer there.

Agreed, however Google Maps don’t show the businesses on the opposite side of S Esplanade West now nearly all have cameras. So even if they managed to walk through that site, the cameras on the other side of the street would have caught them, others or a car going by.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

have no idea what Aberdeen is like but down here MH services are virtually non-existent

Can I ask which country? You have decent emergency services yet almost no mental health services?

Your post has me wondering about this case,
1) What kind of health coverage they had? Does everyone have a reasonable plan, either through their jobs or else the government makes sure everyone is covered, or is Scotland a country where a lot don't have coverage?
2) Whether people struggle to access MH services in Aberdeen?

 

[wtiger]

Can I ask which country? You have decent emergency services yet almost no mental health services?

Your post has me wondering about this case,
1) What kind of health coverage they had? Does everyone have a reasonable plan, either through their jobs or else the government makes sure everyone is covered, or is Scotland a country where a lot don't have coverage?
2) Whether people struggle to access MH services in Aberdeen?

scotland has the NHS - free at the point of service for all

it indeed does have MH services but often long waiting lists ect

 

[davidt]

Can I ask which country? You have decent emergency services yet almost no mental health services?

Your post has me wondering about this case,
1) What kind of health coverage they had? Does everyone have a reasonable plan, either through their jobs or else the government makes sure everyone is covered, or is Scotland a country where a lot don't have coverage?
2) Whether people struggle to access MH services in Aberdeen?

I'm in Devon in the UK. I know from personal experience trying to help someone get any help how hard it is. Lack of resources means everywhere you turn will tell you it's someone else's problem to deal with.

 

[Coach]

scotland has the NHS - free at the point of service for all

it indeed does have MH services but often long waiting lists ect

One of our tenants is married to a Moroccan. He has been living with her here for over two years now, they were married Dec 2022. He has to pay for his medication and for treatments as well, he definitely does not get it for free yet. Not sure if he will after being here for a certain amount of time but I know he does not get it free at the moment.

 

[Cherwell]

"Mental health" services can't always solve people's problems. There seems to be an assumption that everything can be cured or treated, but in some cases unhappiness or despair is so extreme that a person simply wants to stop living.

This makes me wonder. What was it that they found?

Supt Howieson earlier said inquiries uncovered "circumstances" that led to additional concerns about the welfare of the sisters. All of their possessions were found in the home. He stated: "There was an indication from the person from whom they rent a flat who had concerns that they left the flat and indicated they intended to move. So inquiries were carried out at the flat, and the circumstances that were found led to concern around their whereabouts, which was then important to the police."

Six clues that could help cops find missing twin sisters after fresh sighting

Eliza and Henrietta Huszti, both aged 32, were last seen on CCTV walking through Aberdeen in the early hours of January 7 and now the search for them has entered an 11th day

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[Coach]

It is so sad that they couldn’t reach out to someone. They must have been desperate yet it’s seems that they did not reach out. Their last message to their landlady about not returning to the flat, not to their family, loved ones or friends but to their landlady. I do wonder if there is more to them giving up the flat, were they asked to leave, served with notice but they didn’t leave by the day they were supposed to, rent arrears or a pending rent increase, a dispute between landlady and themselves. They sent the message at the time they went missing, to the landlady. They could have sent a letter in the post that would have arrived the next day after they had left but they chose to send a message at 02:12. I wonder if there had been messages between them in the previous hours and days. It makes me wonder that there is something more to why they were leaving the tenancy. They will have been on a PRT lease as PRT replaced short assured tenancies here in Scotland many years ago now, it came in on 1st Dec 2017. I assume they lived in a flat with their own front door within a block of flats, not an HMO/shared house.

 

[Skigh]

One of our tenants is married to a Moroccan. He has been living with her here for over two years now, they were married Dec 2022. He has to pay for his medication and for treatments as well, he definitely does not get it for free yet. Not sure if he will after being here for a certain amount of time but I know he does not get it free at the moment.

Morocco is not in the EU . He obviously has not been given citizenship.

 

[Coach]

Morocco is not in the EU . He obviously has not been given citizenship.

Yes I know that, I think he will be able to get it after he’s been here for so long.

 

[lamberta]

Agreed, however Google Maps don’t show the businesses on the opposite side of S Esplanade West now nearly all have cameras. So even if they managed to walk through that site, the cameras on the other side of the street would have caught them, others or a car going by.

Yeah i had a look at the business premises on the other side of the road and it looks like most of their cameras point directly towards their doorways or onto car parks round the back. I'm not sure if I spotted any cameras pointing across to the other side of the road but I guess that can't be ruled out without knowing for sure. They may well pick up vehicles passing by also. The business cameras ranged from cheap old-looking things to more expensive hi-tech set-ups so its possible thats parts of the other side of the road are covered.
Police are still stopping drivers in the area to ask questions. They are saying they are still open-minded that sisters might have left the area by means currently unknown to them.

 

[Lucyblu37]

Been thinking about them being seen at the same spot 12 hours earlier. I wondered if perhaps they had arranged to meet someone and realised they got the time wrong e.g. 3 pm instead of 3 am.

 

[Skigh]

Yes I know that, I think he will be able to get it after he’s been here for so long.

I do not know how it works! Do people have to wait until they have made sufficient tax contributions before the are entitled to nhs treatment. People say the nhs is free but it is actually funded by tax payers.

 

[Doric Loon]

I do not know how it works! Do people have to wait until they have made sufficient tax contributions before the are entitled to nhs treatment. People say the nhs is free but it is actually funded by tax payers.

Most of the info is here. NHS entitlements: migrant health guide

Been thinking about them being seen at the same spot 12 hours earlier. I wondered if perhaps they had arranged to meet someone and realised they got the time wrong e.g. 3 pm instead of 3 am.

I did find that strange but it also lined up with the end of her shift, heading down there after it would take you down there at around that time. The tides were similar (slightly lower at 2am) so that might have explained why they were there checking it out.

It would be interesting to know what their internet search history was on such matters in the lead up..

 

[tree1]

I think possible family may not divulge some things to protect them and their privacy and dignity.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

What was it that they found?

I think the "circumstances" might refer to leaving around 2:00 a.m. and the 2:00-something a.m. message to the landlord...but maybe it is referring to other things that haven't been released to the public.

They will have been on a PRT lease

What is a PRT lease? How do they work?

 

[Coach]

I think the "circumstances" might refer to leaving around 2:00 a.m. and the 2:00-something a.m. message to the landlord...but maybe it is referring to other things that haven't been released to the public.



What is a PRT lease? How do they work?

The Short Assured Tenancy in Scotland was replaced with Private Residential Tenancy (PRT) on 1st Dec 2017. One of the main changes was that on the old system, a landlord could previously state a minimum rental period on the lease but the PRT brought an end to that and landlords are no longer allowed to state a minimum rental period, this has been the case since PRT’s were brought in Dec 2017 (I am a landlady and we rent properties out just under an hour from Aberdeen).

 

[ChatteringBirds]

@Coach Does that mean tenants may end their lease at any time without being required to pay additional months, but landlords may also end it with short notice?

 

[Coach]

Has the actual address of the flat they were renting been stated? I know Crown Street and Charlotte Street has been mentioned but has the actual flat number been mentioned? It can be checked on the landlord register if we have the full address.

 

[Coach]

@Coach Does that mean tenants may end their lease at any time without being required to pay additional months, but landlords may also end it with short notice?

No, it doesn’t mean that you can end it without notice. There is still a notice period that will be in the lease - the old system allowed a landlord to state a minimum term so say for instance a 12 month minimum period. The PRT did away with that and landlords can no longer put a minimum term in it so essentially someone could say they are looking to stay in the property for a year or two but give up their tenancy at any point (providing they have given notice of course). During Covid and the lockdown, landlords could not evict tenants even if they were in considerable arrears. The deposit scheme has also been in force for a long while now, landlords are no longer allowed to put the deposit in their account - it has to go into a holding account under the deposit scheme regs. A lot of landlords including myself do not take deposits because the scheme can be more troublesome than it’s worth. We do take the first month’s rent upfront before they get the keys but we don’t take a deposit. I know landlords who have properties in Aberdeen, whoever they were renting from must deal with their rentals themselves like we do as they messaged the landlady directly. Many go through estate agents and leasing agencies so they don’t have to do any of it themselves. It would be interesting to know how long they had lived in that property and if it was owned by the same person throughout their entire duration of living there.