UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[davidt]

That's one thing that's stood out for me from the very beginning, how different they look since they moved to Scotland. They look like completely different people! The photo of them in Hungary with their brother makes them look older than they are now (to my eyes!).

Yes I said something similar previously. They really look completely different. The middle picture of Henrietta shows her looking much more fuller faced and quite stern. Also I'm not at all sure from the pictures issued so far what the chronological order is. That is in what order they were taken from oldest to newest.

 

[detective.moon]

I wonder if they’ve put something in the post to them so they get something from them but not so soon as to alert the authorities. Would they have got that no if they are in Hungary?

sbm

it’s supposed to arrive within 3-5 business days when you send something from the uk to any european country, but in my experience it can vary quite a bit.

 

[davidt]

This is what looks so different to me.

 

[TMich6811]

Re: suicide and mental health statistics

Statistics mean really little when it comes to determining if someone is suicidal or not. All we can use is factual data in this process and while helpful for prevention strategies, it’s not always helpful in active assessment. Risk factors yes but not factual yes or no

We can compare diagnosis and mental health help, we can compare socioeconomic status and access, we can compare known trauma. We can compare known patterns. We can know that abc population in abc part of the world is more likely to die by suicide and do abc when acting. All of this helps with prevention but not prediction.

When it comes to data - We can never ask the person. It’s not like a heart attack where we can look at the data and know the cause. Without individual reporting we cannot say factually what causes a person to be active enough in whatever feelings on that day to act as they have. There are way too many factors we don’t have access to that die with the individual.

We can look at a situation and say they are more likely, they’ve made statements, they have attempted. But we can also be oblivious and not have a clue.

We cannot speak in absolutes when it comes to suicide even when statistics lean us a direction. We cannot speak in absolutes with much of anything when it comes to mental health but definitely not suicide.

 

[Sarahlou]

This is what looks so different to me.

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Different hair colour, pose, angle, make up. Does look like two different people though at first glance.

 

[Skigh]

This is what looks so different to me.

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I think the top one could be a passport / work i.d photo and the other an informal one. There could be a few years difference between when each photo was taken.

 

[davidt]

I think the top one could be a passport / work i.d photo and the other an informal one. There could be a few years difference between when each photo was taken.

Yes quite likely and we don't know at all when they were taken. I know passport photos etc. have to be taken a certain way. I can't really explain it but to me she looks in the photo on the left as if she's more stern or not as happy.

 

[KooshBall]

It's not that strange that friends aren't speaking out. From the beginning it was clear that there was a high probability that the sisters entered the water. Then you have police saying there is no crime, I'm sure friends could read between the lines and understand this was a possible suicide. That isn't something that is usually reported on, and friends interviewed, unless the person is famous. I just don't think that no one speaking publicly means they didn't have any friends or coworkers that care about them.

Also, people don't have to moping around and unable to function to be considered depressed, or to commit suicide. Suicides usually come as a shock to the loved ones left behind. If it was easy to spot who is struggling internally, depressed, or hopeless, then we would be able to intervene and stop the act before it happened.

If this is a case of self harm, then I hope the sisters are now at peace. As for their family, my heart aches for them because they may forever have unanswered questions. All MOO

 

[davidt]

It's not that strange that friends aren't speaking out. From the beginning it was clear that there was a high probability that the sisters entered the water. Then you have police saying there is no crime, I'm sure friends could read between the lines and understand this was a possible suicide. That isn't something that is usually reported on, and friends interviewed, unless the person is famous. I just don't think that no one speaking publicly means they didn't have any friends or coworkers that care about them.

Also, people don't have to moping around and unable to function to be considered depressed, or to commit suicide. Suicides usually come as a shock to the loved ones left behind. If it was easy to spot who is struggling internally, depressed, or hopeless, then we would be able to intervene and stop the act before it happened.

If this is a case of self harm, then I hope the sisters are now at peace. As for their family, my heart aches for them because they may forever have unanswered questions. All MOO

And I'd imagine when it comes to work colleagues their employers will have instructed them to stay silent.

 

[Scottish_Person]

I disagree that they were dressed up. They wore coats and scarves against the cold, and long pants. Shoes appear to me to be ankle boots and maybe brogues. Not sure what people expect them to be wearing. Track pants, pyjamas, no coats, slippers? I'd wear something like that if I went out in that weather. Unless they had reason to wear formal clothes, a uniform etc. it seems like something they'd wear to head out for snacks, leave fairly quickly etc.

A thought came to me - any chance they may have been heading for a hospital or 24 hour clinic in the area? Although why they wouldn't call a taxi/Uber I'm not sure. I assume one would be available at that time and location?

I live locally and there are no hospitals or medical centres in the area. The path they were on is a dead end, leading to literally the river bank. It’s interesting that the area just behind the bank known as Torry is also known locally as ‘little Poland’. Over the last few years literally hundreds of people from Poland, Hungary, Latvia and recently Ukraine have come to live in Aberdeen and they nearly all end up settling in Torry. Although it is a slightly deprived area with a lot of council accommodation and not a lot of local work, (apart from fish houses where a lot of people work) there is a thriving social scene and community for the incomers. It is a very short walk into the city centre to where they lived and worked.. I think the sisters could perhaps have spent a lot of time there. They will have been very familiar with the area.

 

[Scottish_Person]

I was wondering the same in respect of any possible cut throughs, informal footpaths etc that might be around that wouldn't be picked up by CCTV. Would anyone on here who is local know it that's feasible at all?

I live locally. The area is nothing but a dog walk, and somewhere kids go in summer. It’s a path along the river edge that literally ends at the rivers edge. No way to get back up and over the ‘embankment’ to get into streets.

 

[lamberta]

I live locally. The area is nothing but a dog walk, and somewhere kids go in summer. It’s a path along the river edge that literally ends at the rivers edge. No way to get back up and over the ‘embankment’ to get into streets.

I'm local too. I posted pictures near the beginning of this thread to show it is possible to get from the path to the street without being seen if that's what they wanted to do.

 

[Doric Loon]

That's one thing that's stood out for me from the very beginning, how different they look since they moved to Scotland. They look like completely different people! The photo of them in Hungary with their brother makes them look older than they are now (to my eyes!).

Time. A lot of the pictures from with family are old. Not to state the obvious, but people tend to change what they wear and how they present themselves considerably, especially those who have customer facing jobs like one of them did. They grew up. Add in the differences in Eastern European fashion vs Western Fashion, away from family etc.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I think the top one could be a passport / work i.d photo and the other an informal one. There could be a few years difference between when each photo was taken.

I think there may be a few extra kilos between pics too. The passport/work ID type photo shows a fuller face I think.

 

[Doric Loon]

I'm local too. I posted pictures near the beginning of this thread to show it is possible to get from the path to the street without being seen if that's what they wanted to do.

Yeah but then on, you would be seen if you went any further, or say got into a car.

 

[davidt]

I think there may be a few extra kilos between pics too. The passport/work ID type photo shows a fuller face I think.

Yes, I noticed that. What strikes me though, and this is a general point really, is that when making an appeal for sightings you're going to get varying responses depending on the picture published. I know for instance there's an issue with the photo of Claudia Lawrence we are all familiar with in that according to her mother that's not what she looked like when she disappeared. She'd apparently cut her hair and changed its colour. So there's a danger of people reporting possible sightings of someone based on an out of date image or not reporting something because it doesn't look like the image.

 

[lamberta]

Time. A lot of the pictures from with family are old. Not to state the obvious, but people tend to change what they wear and how they present themselves considerably, especially those who have customer facing jobs like one of them did. They grew up. Add in the differences in Eastern European fashion vs Western Fashion, away from family etc.

Yeah I'm very aware of that facts!

 

[lamberta]

Yeah but then on, you would be seen if you went any further, or say got into a car.

I'm not sure with any certainty. You would think so but not 100% sure.

 

[Scottish_Person]

IF these women wanted to do something like fake their own death, they've done very well. I would question if there is any way possible they could have cut through a part of the industrial area, avoided cameras and entered a car to escape, one bought and left there earlier, left there for them by someone else, or been picked up by someone in a pre arranged plan. The question would be why? Disillusioned with life, running from someone or something, things spiraling out of their control and ashamed to admit they were struggling? Had they been known to want to live elsewhere, like a dream location? Maybe the money they were supposed to be saving was not for a house, but a new life somewhere. The cost of safe passage to wherever they wanted to live?

Or perhaps the scenario above (cutting through the industrial area and not being seen by cameras) but accepted a lift from a "friend" or stranger and are now being held captive, or worse? It would not explain the odd tenancy situation, but maybe a very weird coincidence? (I'm thinking not, just spit balling ideas here)

All MOO only.

The presence of bulky rucksacks does give some clue that the sisters were somehow on the move and not planning to end their lives. However, genuinely the area behind the path is full of overgrown bushes and a very high wall, and I don’t see how they could have cut through that. Behind that area is a long street with fish houses, car repair garages and storage, no side streets for cars. I’m reliably told there is a lot of cctv on that road due to break ins and any footage will have been studied. Especially recorded at 2am and in knowledge of what subsequently happened.

I am here because unfortunately in 2014 I discovered my sister was the subject of a Websleuth thread. She disappeared into thin air on January 21st. While desperately looking for anything I chanced on her name in this website. I was comforted that so many people were actively concerned, even out of simple curiosity….and perhaps finding leads that the police could not. It gave me great comfort. Sadly, her body was found two month later and the verdict was suicide, which the family had said from the start. I was at the sharp end, and know a bit about protocol after a person has been reported missing. MOO, but I do think this is either a terrible accident like Nicola Bulley, or a double suicide. Interestingly, my sister took a large rucksack when she left the house to end her life.

 

[Skigh]

The presence of bulky rucksacks does give some clue that the sisters were somehow on the move and not planning to end their lives. However, genuinely the area behind the path is full of overgrown bushes and a very high wall, and I don’t see how they could have cut through that. Behind that area is a long street with fish houses, car repair garages and storage, no side streets or places to hide. I’m reliably told there is a lot of cctv on that road due to break ins and any footage will have been studied. Especially recorded at 2am and in knowledge of what subsequently happened.

I am here because unfortunately in 2014 I discovered my sister was the subject of a Websleuth thread. She disappeared into thin air on January 21st. While desperately looking for anything I chanced on her name in this website. I was comforted that so many people were actively concerned, even out of simple curiosity….and perhaps finding leads that the police could not. It gave me great comfort. Sadly, her body was found two month later and the verdict was suicide, which the family had said from the start. I was at the sharp end, and know a bit about protocol after a person has been reported missing. MOO, but I do think this is either a terrible accident like Nicola Bulley, or a double suicide. Interestingly, my sister took a large rucksack when she left the house to end her life.

I am so very sorry it was such very painful and tragic circumstances which brought you to Websleuths,but am glad it brought you some comfort.
Thank you for sharing your experience.