UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[TonnnnUK]

The imaging from their previous visit looks like they have walked back over the bridge from the Torry side or they have emerged from the embankment up onto the pavement on the side nearest the City Centre. It is interesting that they have used the CCTV image from this side rather than the Torry side. I wonder if they had been somewhere else in Torry and not along the side of the river on the path that leads to the boat club.

I'd mentioned this in a previous post. To me it looks more like they are coming up from the river bank rather than them going along the pavement but it could just be a camera perspective thing.

This looks to be where they were on the latest CCTV of them the afternoon before they vanished. It actually looks like they are walking back up from the bank towards the regular pavement as opposed to simply walking along the path.

 

[Coach]

I'd mentioned this in a previous post. To me it looks more like they are coming up from the river bank rather than them going along the pavement.

Sorry, I hadn’t seen your previous post as I’m still catching up TonnnnUK. Yes, it does look like they could be emerging from the riverbank and they are on the side of the river nearest the City.

 

[Coach]

I have read posts that have said about them possibly having left the rucksacks at the river but the imaging shows them walking back towards the City Centre with the rucksacks on their backs so they couldn’t have left them there.

 

[sunspun]

True.

I think one of the few things we can say, is that something caused the landlady concern. Whether it was the message, or what was left in the flat.

Also we can say that one of the women planned leave from work. There are three hypotheses for me on this - #1 she wanted some leave, #2 she wanted to buy some time before alerting anyone, or #3 she likes everything to be mega tidy - by which I mean putting her affairs in order.

The first doesn’t tie in with giving up the flat, so I’d say #2 or #3. As the landlady might be oblivious if the women were away for a day or so anyway, I’d bank on #3 being most probable.

I think it's closest to your third option, but not exactly that. We know that they informed landlady by letter of their plan to end their tenancy, and that at least one of them arranged for approved time off from work, and that they told landlady that they wouldn't be returning to the flat. Seems to me they are just naturally considerate of others, and not doing these things would leave landlady and job "in the lurch", and that would be out of character for them. I think they just did things at the end the same way it seems they did things normally, in other words with concern for the needs and wants of the other people in their life.

They made sure to give the landlady some notice that they were ending their lease, so she would know she needed to get the place ready for new tenants and need to advertise the place to find new renters, etc. Why should that matter to the sisters after this? Won't affect them a bit if she wasn't notified. But I think they're just the type who would never leave without saying anything... they probably never stood anyone up for lunch either.

She told her job she'd be out for 2 weeks. So the boss wouldn't be expecting her to show up and be left short-staffed and likely worried about her as well. And well before the 2 weeks were up, the boss would surely have heard the news and would know she wasn't to be back at the end of the 2 weeks, so would have time to do whatever is needed to cover her shifts, etc.

They probably did by necessity leave a lot of belongings in the flat, which isn't the utmost considerate thing they could have done, but they made sure to let landlady know at the last minute that they weren't coming back. Otherwise, she'd not have known what to do about the stuff left if it wasn't clear they weren't coming back. This way, she knows she can get rid of them or do whatever she wants to do with them. They sent that final text at the last minute, and in it, they told her just what she needed to know. That was all that was left to take care of. And they did.

And I think I mentioned this in another post... the reason why they sent landlady a text at that particular time, when many are wondering why that of all things would've been on their minds right then. Seems clear to me. As I said, they were being considerate and it needed to be done. But it had to be done right then, because they wouldn't have done it sooner, because that would set off alarm bells and possibly get people out looking for them and ruining their plan. And they certainly couldn't have sent it any later than they did for obvious reasons. To carry out the plan they had made, that was the only time it was possible to send it.

 

[lamberta]

The imaging from their previous visit looks like they have walked back over the bridge from the Torry side or they have emerged from the embankment up onto the pavement on the side nearest the City Centre. It is interesting that they have used the CCTV image from this side rather than the Torry side. I wonder if they had been somewhere else in Torry and not along the side of the river on the path that leads to the boat club.

A Sky News report said: "The force said the siblings, who were both wearing rucksacks, spent five minutes at the footpath and the Victoria Bridge but did not engage with anyone else."
We know one of the sisters finished work at 1pm but police haven't stated what the sisters did between that time and being spotted in the area of the bridge and riverside footpath at 2.50pm, or which direction they arrived at the bridge from. You're right, they might have been in Torry for some reason. They might have collected the rucksacks from somewhere and were on their way home. We don't know if the sisters took the rucksacks with them when they set off earlier in the day heading towards the river, or do we? I might have missed that detail.

 

[Coach]

A Sky News report said: "The force said the siblings, who were both wearing rucksacks, spent five minutes at the footpath and the Victoria Bridge but did not engage with anyone else."
We know one of the sisters finished work at 1pm but police haven't stated what the sisters did between that time and being spotted in the area of the bridge and riverside footpath at 2.50pm, or which direction they arrived at the bridge from. You're right, they might have been in Torry for some reason. They might have collected the rucksacks from somewhere and were on their way home. We don't know if the sisters took the rucksacks with them when they set off earlier in the day heading towards the river, or do we? I might have missed that detail.

Could they have been on the path on the City Centre side of the river and not the one on the opposite side that leads to the boat club?

 

[sunspun]

I will admit it is strange that your landlady is the last person on your mind as you end your life. It is very bizarre.

Well, they obviously were trying to be considerate of the landlady's needs, and wanting to avoid causing her any more problems than were absolutely necessary, which I think is just in keeping with their character most likely. And they had to send it at that particular time because if they'd sent it sooner, that might have raised alarm and ended up with people interfering with their plan. So they couldn't have sent it any sooner than they did.

And they couldn't very well have sent it any later. For obvious reasons.

 

[lonewanderer]

I am unsure if that has been discussed, but a really bizarre incident including female Swedish twins happened a while ago.

Basically they were very normal women who suddenly went off their rockers and ran into heavy traffic:

Story of the identical Swedish twins who ran onto M6 before one went on to kill

Lawyers at her trial claimed Sabina Eriksson was suffering from folie à deux, a form of 'shared psychosis, during the bizarre turn of events

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

 

[Kittypoo]

I am unsure if that has been discussed, but a really bizarre incident including female Swedish twins happened a while ago.

Basically they were very normal women who suddenly went off their rockers and ran into heavy traffic:

Story of the identical Swedish twins who ran onto M6 before one went on to kill

Lawyers at her trial claimed Sabina Eriksson was suffering from folie à deux, a form of 'shared psychosis, during the bizarre turn of events

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

I’m sure this was the case discussed in thread 1

 

[branmuffin]

OK, but take into consideration this happened in Scotland not the US

That's why I removed the guns from the equation. Once guns have been removed the stats are similar in other parts of the world.

 

[lamberta]

Could they have been on the path on the City Centre side of the river and not the one on the opposite side that leads to the boat club?

When they refer to the footpath I believe they mean the footpath that the sisters later returned to. I think if the sisters had walked on the path at the other side of the river the police would have made that clear for potential sightings.

 

[lji]

I think it's closest to your third option, but not exactly that. We know that they informed landlady by letter of their plan to end their tenancy, and that at least one of them arranged for approved time off from work, and that they told landlady that they wouldn't be returning to the flat. Seems to me they are just naturally considerate of others, and not doing these things would leave landlady and job "in the lurch", and that would be out of character for them. I think they just did things at the end the same way it seems they did things normally, in other words with concern for the needs and wants of the other people in their life.

They made sure to give the landlady some notice that they were ending their lease, so she would know she needed to get the place ready for new tenants and need to advertise the place to find new renters, etc. Why should that matter to the sisters after this? Won't affect them a bit if she wasn't notified. But I think they're just the type who would never leave without saying anything... they probably never stood anyone up for lunch either.

She told her job she'd be out for 2 weeks. So the boss wouldn't be expecting her to show up and be left short-staffed and likely worried about her as well. And well before the 2 weeks were up, the boss would surely have heard the news and would know she wasn't to be back at the end of the 2 weeks, so would have time to do whatever is needed to cover her shifts, etc.

They probably did by necessity leave a lot of belongings in the flat, which isn't the utmost considerate thing they could have done, but they made sure to let landlady know at the last minute that they weren't coming back. Otherwise, she'd not have known what to do about the stuff left if it wasn't clear they weren't coming back. This way, she knows she can get rid of them or do whatever she wants to do with them. They sent that final text at the last minute, and in it, they told her just what she needed to know. That was all that was left to take care of. And they did.

And I think I mentioned this in another post... the reason why they sent landlady a text at that particular time, when many are wondering why that of all things would've been on their minds right then. Seems clear to me. As I said, they were being considerate and it needed to be done. But it had to be done right then, because they wouldn't have done it sooner, because that would set off alarm bells and possibly get people out looking for them and ruining their plan. And they certainly couldn't have sent it any later than they did for obvious reasons. To carry out the plan they had made, that was the only time it was possible to send it.

I apologise for the length of this reply….I’ve really struggled to put into words my thoughts on this but you’ve done it perfectly. I really do understand people have their theories on stories like this, and it’s completely understandable that the mind wonders when we don’t have a lot of facts. Someone said they could be spies, someone said they could have jumped on a passing boat…this isn’t me having a dig at those people, it just proves that with such little facts it’s only natural that we speculate.

I think I’ve mentioned Occam’s Razor in every case I’ve commented on here, to the point where I’m almost sick of it myself. But 99% of the time it’s right - the most obvious answer is the correct one. What I tend to do with cases like this is to look at only the facts and ignore any outside talk. So the facts we have:

- They were spotted by CCTV at the Victoria Bridge at 14:50pm, spending 5 minutes there and not interacting with anybody else before heading (presumably) straight home.

-They were then spotted on CCTV nearly 12 hours later, at 2:12am heading down the footpath that runs adjacent to the River Dee. They also sent a text message to their landlord at the same time informing her they would not be returning home, after letting her know that they were looking at moving out prior to that.

- The police have said they have not seen them exit the path they went down, they suspect no criminal activity and they’re working on the theory the sisters have entered the water for whatever reason (although they said they can’t theoretically rule out them leaving the area without being seen).

In my opinion, the above facts we’ve been provided with by the police are the only things that are important in terms of what happened to them both. Taking those three things at face value, for me it paints a picture of the sisters (for whatever reason) deciding to take their own lives, and going to the bridge in the afternoon as they may have decided between themselves that this was the place they were going to do it. I don’t personally believe they were looking for where CCTV was or anything like that, I don’t think that would really bother them to be honest. Without going into too much detail I’ve had my own issues where things very nearly ended badly and honestly the last thing on my mind was evading CCTV or what my phone signals/tracking would give off. Apart from going to some playing fields in the early hours of the morning to make sure there would be no one around, I was past the point of caring if I was caught on CCTV. Everyone is different, I completely get that but I honestly think they were there in the afternoon just to get a feel for the place and whether it was where they 100% wanted to end their lives, almost a dry run if you will.

As for people questioning why they messaged their landlord at 2:12am to tell them they weren’t going to be returning - I really hope this isn’t seen as stereotyping and nobody takes it offensively, but I’ve worked with many Eastern Europeans and also visited Budapest in 2013 and in my experience they are some of the most punctual, loyal and straight to the point people I know. I think them messaging their landlord is down to them growing up in a culture where being polite and loyal is seen as the right thing to do, so even though it wasn’t going to affect them, they still thought that once they knew they were going to go ahead with what it was they were doing, they had to let their landlord know they weren’t coming back as it’s ’the right thing to do’.

As always, I am more than happy to be proved wrong as that means the sisters are alive. I’m just basing my thoughts on previous cases and general feelings.

Sorry I do tend to get carried away sometimes with my posts, all MOO.

 

[branmuffin]

Can we move on from immigration reasons, the Police would have mentioned it and they worked for two well versed companies in immigration who wouldn’t be employing them if they didn’t have right to be here. It was only 8 months ago that one would have been through a company vetting/interview stage.

They would be paid into a bank account, the companies they work only do BACS transfers.

We don't know what we don't know. We can make all the assumptions we want but we have no verification as to the status of both sisters. Which is why I brought up the issue of Haitian refugees in Canada who sailed blissfully along in their temporary home, not aware that legal status is based on applying for the proper documentation in a timely manner.

I used to work for the Ontario government, the OPP to be specific. Like a lot of government workers, a fairly large chunk of them were immigrants. Now you would think if you're working for the government, all those I's are dotted and the T's crossed. Not so. When one worker in my office applied for a permanent position and won, he was asked to prove his resident status in Canada. He told them they were very important documents, didn't like to carry them around and he'd bring them in soon. So his employment went through the proper channels and he never actually brought those documents in for verification because they'd never been issued. He was a illegal alien from Mexico who spoke perfect English who had already worked for the government for about 7 years. He applied for and received his landed immigrant status, became a legit resident of Canada and never lost his job. So assumptions can be made regardless of where someone works. I would think if that can happen within a police organization it can happen in a coffee shop.

 

[Macha]

I wonder too about the reason to walk to the river at 2pm the day before

Perhaps whilst there they dropped something and the 2 am visit was to search for it

But then again alongside the 2am text message that doesn’t make sense ….. I really feel for the family enduring the wait to know what has happened

Tides. High and low could explain the 12 hour difference.

 

[Kemug]

I have finally come to believe that they have gone into the water deliberately, as most of you do too. I will actually be relieved (I think) when their bodies turn up somewhere. But it's so sad. I wonder if we will ever know the whole story.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I have finally come to believe that they have gone into the water deliberately, as most of you do too. I will actually be relieved (I think) when their bodies turn up somewhere. But it's so sad. I wonder if we will ever know the whole story.

No, I don't think we'll ever know, if we don't know by now. You can never get inside someone's mind, and outward appearances can be very deceiving to even the people closest to them.

What I'd like to know is - did the sister's initiate the call to their mother (as somewhat of a possible last goodbye), or did she call them? Or was it a prearranged weekly call?

 

[bringmeacupoft]

No, I don't think we'll ever know, if we don't know by now. You can never get inside someone's mind, and outward appearances can be very deceiving to even the people closest to them.

What I'd like to know is - did the sister's initiate the call to their mother (as somewhat of a possible last goodbye), or did she call them? Or was it a prearranged weekly call?

Agreed regarding you have literally no idea based on outward appearances. They were described as a close knit family but ultimately no one knew their plans but them. I’d be interested more in the family dynamics too, the sisters felt it prudent to give notice in some way to their employer & landlord but didn’t feel the same way about perhaps giving their families answers. Please note this is in no way a criticism of the sisters and could be so many reasons, also taking into consideration most people don’t leave a note. Just an observation & has zero bearing on what’s happened.

 

[Doric Loon]

Tides. High and low could explain the 12 hour difference.

Tides were roughly the same at both of those times.

 

[Noseyjosie]

Tides were roughly the same at both of those times.

^^^^THIS

Nothing more, nothing less. It's too much of a coincidence that the ladies returned to the spot almost 12 hours later. If they didn't already know the tide times, a simple internet search would tell them the river would be at almost the same stage/level at that time of the morning.
I just hope they aren't lost to the sea, and can be found and returned to their family

 

[all_things_resolved]

Agreed regarding you have literally no idea based on outward appearances. They were described as a close knit family but ultimately no one knew their plans but them. I’d be interested more in the family dynamics too, the sisters felt it prudent to give notice in some way to their employer & landlord but didn’t feel the same way about perhaps giving their families answers. Please note this is in no way a criticism of the sisters and could be so many reasons, also taking into consideration most people don’t leave a note. Just an observation & has zero bearing on what’s happened.

I wouldn’t be surprised, if they left a letter for their family at the flat, and police have out of respect for the family not released it to the public (until their bodies are found). IMO