UK Eliza & Henrietta Huszti, sisters both 32, CCTV captures them near a river at 2am, Aberdeen, 7 Jan 2025 #2

[bringmeacupoft]

I wouldn’t be surprised, if they left a letter for their family at the flat, and police have out of respect for the family not released it to the public (until their bodies are found). IMO

Very true!

 

[Novalee]

I apologise for the length of this reply….I’ve really struggled to put into words my thoughts on this but you’ve done it perfectly. I really do understand people have their theories on stories like this, and it’s completely understandable that the mind wonders when we don’t have a lot of facts. Someone said they could be spies, someone said they could have jumped on a passing boat…this isn’t me having a dig at those people, it just proves that with such little facts it’s only natural that we speculate.

I think I’ve mentioned Occam’s Razor in every case I’ve commented on here, to the point where I’m almost sick of it myself. But 99% of the time it’s right - the most obvious answer is the correct one. What I tend to do with cases like this is to look at only the facts and ignore any outside talk. So the facts we have:

- They were spotted by CCTV at the Victoria Bridge at 14:50pm, spending 5 minutes there and not interacting with anybody else before heading (presumably) straight home.

-They were then spotted on CCTV nearly 12 hours later, at 2:12am heading down the footpath that runs adjacent to the River Dee. They also sent a text message to their landlord at the same time informing her they would not be returning home, after letting her know that they were looking at moving out prior to that.

- The police have said they have not seen them exit the path they went down, they suspect no criminal activity and they’re working on the theory the sisters have entered the water for whatever reason (although they said they can’t theoretically rule out them leaving the area without being seen).

In my opinion, the above facts we’ve been provided with by the police are the only things that are important in terms of what happened to them both. Taking those three things at face value, for me it paints a picture of the sisters (for whatever reason) deciding to take their own lives, and going to the bridge in the afternoon as they may have decided between themselves that this was the place they were going to do it. I don’t personally believe they were looking for where CCTV was or anything like that, I don’t think that would really bother them to be honest. Without going into too much detail I’ve had my own issues where things very nearly ended badly and honestly the last thing on my mind was evading CCTV or what my phone signals/tracking would give off. Apart from going to some playing fields in the early hours of the morning to make sure there would be no one around, I was past the point of caring if I was caught on CCTV. Everyone is different, I completely get that but I honestly think they were there in the afternoon just to get a feel for the place and whether it was where they 100% wanted to end their lives, almost a dry run if you will.

As for people questioning why they messaged their landlord at 2:12am to tell them they weren’t going to be returning - I really hope this isn’t seen as stereotyping and nobody takes it offensively, but I’ve worked with many Eastern Europeans and also visited Budapest in 2013 and in my experience they are some of the most punctual, loyal and straight to the point people I know. I think them messaging their landlord is down to them growing up in a culture where being polite and loyal is seen as the right thing to do, so even though it wasn’t going to affect them, they still thought that once they knew they were going to go ahead with what it was they were doing, they had to let their landlord know they weren’t coming back as it’s ’the right thing to do’.

As always, I am more than happy to be proved wrong as that means the sisters are alive. I’m just basing my thoughts on previous cases and general feelings.

Sorry I do tend to get carried away sometimes with my posts,

I am so happy that you navigated through this very dark spot in your life and are here to share your well thought out ideas with us!

I love this community for the passion, empathy and dedication brought together to help the most vulnerable people, well and soothing this itchy pain of how and why regarding human behavior.

In context of the possible and probable last steps of the sisters in question: it absolutely makes sense to me to behave the way you described their possible train of thoughts.
The german education I was taught would let me behave similar- and I contemplated these things many years ago as well, so not pure speculation on my part.
If I would plan something as “selfish” as just leaving everything behind, I would at least make sure that no one else has any problems because of my decision. I couldn’t bare the thought of letting people down who deserve better and would try to avoid any logistical difficulties or financial problems for them.
So the last call to the landlady absolutely nailed it for me, theory wise.

 

[RobinCAL]

Owner of Eastern European shop says sisters were ‘more than polite'​

The owner of an Eastern European shop in Aberdeen has said that Eliza and Henrietta Huszti often visited to purchase Hungarian items, and described them as “respectful” and “more than polite”.
Diana Popescu, who owns the Authentic Romanian Shop, told the Press and Journal: “We don’t know much about them, besides their faces, that they are twins, and we guessed they were Hungarian, based on the products they were buying.
“We were shocked to hear the news. They are nice, respectful young women who seem to mind their own business. They deserve to have a long life ahead of them.
“No one knows what happened to them yet and everyone hopes they will be found safe. With them being missing for so long, it’s very concerning and it makes you think the worst.
“They came into our shop for few times together, but mostly separately. They were always more than polite.”

Aberdeen sisters’ eerie final message sent at time of last sighting revealed: Live

Police Scotland continue major search for triplets Eliza and Henrietta Huszti as family issue desperate plea saying ‘all we want is for them to be found’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Owner of Eastern European shop says sisters were ‘more than polite'​

The owner of an Eastern European shop in Aberdeen has said that Eliza and Henrietta Huszti often visited to purchase Hungarian items, and described them as “respectful” and “more than polite”.
Diana Popescu, who owns the Authentic Romanian Shop, told the Press and Journal: “We don’t know much about them, besides their faces, that they are twins, and we guessed they were Hungarian, based on the products they were buying.
“We were shocked to hear the news. They are nice, respectful young women who seem to mind their own business. They deserve to have a long life ahead of them.
“No one knows what happened to them yet and everyone hopes they will be found safe. With them being missing for so long, it’s very concerning and it makes you think the worst.
“They came into our shop for few times together, but mostly separately. They were always more than polite.”

Aberdeen sisters’ eerie final message sent at time of last sighting revealed: Live

Police Scotland continue major search for triplets Eliza and Henrietta Huszti as family issue desperate plea saying ‘all we want is for them to be found’

www.independent.co.uk

This is the kind of response I expected, people coming forward who "knew" them in some capacity. What the shop owner says seems to gel with the vibe we are getting of what the women are like. Perhaps polite and considerate to the very end. :-(

 

[Enzo Le Fee]

I dropped out of this thread quite early on because I live about a mile and a half away from Charlotte Street and have to drive past Victoria Bridge a couple of times a week so I've found it all too close to home and too upsetting. I've had very tough times in my life, starting with a difficult childhood but I've never felt the extreme despair that these girls must have experienced. The LE were on the cliffs at Collieston this week looking out for bodies. Apparently, bodies are carried north and tend to be washed up on one of the beaches further up the coast. That, sadly, happened to a young colleague of mine who fell into the Dee after a night of celebration following a football match. His body was found on Newburgh beach a couple of weeks later. His fiancee at the time eventually married and seems to have built a life for herself. His parents were heartbroken.

Was that the teacher that fell in? He was my Modern Studies teacher at school. He was a really nice man.

 

[19thcenturynovel]

Was that the teacher that fell in? He was my Modern Studies teacher at school. He was a really nice man.

Yes, it was.

 

[Kemug]

Eliza and Henrietta sound to be very nice young ladies. They deserved to have long happy lives.

 

[lji]

I am so happy that you navigated through this very dark spot in your life and are here to share your well thought out ideas with us!

I love this community for the passion, empathy and dedication brought together to help the most vulnerable people, well and soothing this itchy pain of how and why regarding human behavior.

In context of the possible and probable last steps of the sisters in question: it absolutely makes sense to me to behave the way you described their possible train of thoughts.
The german education I was taught would let me behave similar- and I contemplated these things many years ago as well, so not pure speculation on my part.
If I would plan something as “selfish” as just leaving everything behind, I would at least make sure that no one else has any problems because of my decision. I couldn’t bare the thought of letting people down who deserve better and would try to avoid any logistical difficulties or financial problems for them.
So the last call to the landlady absolutely nailed it for me, theory wise.

Thank you Novalee, I really appreciate your reply and thankfully I am a very different person today in the best way possible.
I’m always wary of ever adding my own experiences into my posts as I don’t want to distract from the main subject of the matter which in this case is Eliza and Henrietta. However sometimes first hand experience really does help when looking at someone’s last known movements and actions and if it ends up that the sisters took their own lives then what they did in the last 12 hours make complete sense to me.

I think what with true crime becoming so popular over the past few years, Netflix and other companies have maybe almost glamorised it into something where there has to be twists and turns in every case and a shocking revelation somewhere along the line, when in reality cases like this are pretty straight forward as we know from our knowledge of previous cases.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

He said: "In the days preceding, the sisters had indicated to the landlord that they intended to leave their tenancy and the landlord carried out inquiries at the address which has led them to be concerned about the whereabouts of the sisters."

Huszti sisters: Family unaware missing women had ended tenancy

Eliza and Henrietta Huszti - part of a set of triplets - disappeared in Aberdeen more than a week ago.

www.bbc.com

*revisiting earlier information brought me to this statement. It causes me to ponder if the landlord might have been sending inquiries about their tenancy before the text, I've seen no information if they were current on their lease/rent for January? The family states the sisters had no plan. What if they didn't have a plan until the last minute, making an impulsive decision?

 

[Mandala]

These poor sisters. To think they felt there was no hope and likely ended their lives in an awful way, a cold dark river. This is so sad. I can’t comprehend how they seemed IMO to be functioning and thinking logically right to the end (going to the bridge 12 hours prior, one attending work that day, organising leave and messaging the landlady), yet felt so helpless they wanted to die?

What was going on in their lives to lead to this?
I’ve considered (in no particular order of likelihood):
- Illness (one of the sisters)
- Financial difficulty (perhaps not wanting to return to Hungary for help from their family out of pride or not to burden them)
- Drug addiction
- Blackmailed or scammed by someone
- Depression or other undiagnosed mental health issue

We may never know more details. Like if a note was left at their flat. Or if there were issues the landlady, family or friends knew about. The police don’t tell the media very much, usually the minimum information. IMO there is so much more to this.

 

[Cherwell]

I think it's closest to your third option, but not exactly that. We know that they informed landlady by letter of their plan to end their tenancy, and that at least one of them arranged for approved time off from work, and that they told landlady that they wouldn't be returning to the flat. Seems to me they are just naturally considerate of others, and not doing these things would leave landlady and job "in the lurch", and that would be out of character for them. I think they just did things at the end the same way it seems they did things normally, in other words with concern for the needs and wants of the other people in their life.

They made sure to give the landlady some notice that they were ending their lease, so she would know she needed to get the place ready for new tenants and need to advertise the place to find new renters, etc. Why should that matter to the sisters after this? Won't affect them a bit if she wasn't notified. But I think they're just the type who would never leave without saying anything... they probably never stood anyone up for lunch either.

She told her job she'd be out for 2 weeks. So the boss wouldn't be expecting her to show up and be left short-staffed and likely worried about her as well. And well before the 2 weeks were up, the boss would surely have heard the news and would know she wasn't to be back at the end of the 2 weeks, so would have time to do whatever is needed to cover her shifts, etc.

They probably did by necessity leave a lot of belongings in the flat, which isn't the utmost considerate thing they could have done, but they made sure to let landlady know at the last minute that they weren't coming back. Otherwise, she'd not have known what to do about the stuff left if it wasn't clear they weren't coming back. This way, she knows she can get rid of them or do whatever she wants to do with them. They sent that final text at the last minute, and in it, they told her just what she needed to know. That was all that was left to take care of. And they did.

And I think I mentioned this in another post... the reason why they sent landlady a text at that particular time, when many are wondering why that of all things would've been on their minds right then. Seems clear to me. As I said, they were being considerate and it needed to be done. But it had to be done right then, because they wouldn't have done it sooner, because that would set off alarm bells and possibly get people out looking for them and ruining their plan. And they certainly couldn't have sent it any later than they did for obvious reasons. To carry out the plan they had made, that was the only time it was possible to send it.

I think you have summed it up very well. I bet they had packed up all their belongings too, so they could be moved with minimum effort.

I wouldn’t be surprised, if they left a letter for their family at the flat, and police have out of respect for the family not released it to the public (until their bodies are found). IMO

Very possibly, but I don't think such a letter would ever be made public unless the family chose to do so.

 

[lamberta]

I think the police said there was nothing found in the flat to indicate self harm. Is that correct?

 

[davidt]

I think the police said there was nothing found in the flat to indicate self harm. Is that correct?

Yes and also nothing to suggest they were going to disappear either.

 

[davidt]

I think the one thing we do know is that they didn't act on impulse. This wasn't a "moment of madness" or something done in the heat of the moment. This had been planned for a number of days at least, if not longer. Something discussed over a period of time and presumably agreement reached on what they were going to do. So it looks the cause was something preexisting that is not yet known. Whatever it was they obviously decided there was no other solution.

 

[Cardgame]

Yes and also nothing to suggest they were going to disappear either.

And I believe there was only one communication with the landlady: early on the police report did not indicate what time it had been sent and described it as open ended which was slightly misleading, because they then revealed it had in fact been sent at 2am and she went to check on them the next day.

That is my understanding at least. Either way it's slightly confusing because the police are saying there was nothing to indicate self harm etc but obviously the landlady was concerned. And the police acted pretty fast. Which we know they don't do unless they consider someone to be at high risk.

 

[Skigh]

And I believe there was only one communication with the landlady: early on the police report did not indicate what time it had been sent and described it as open ended which was slightly misleading, because they then revealed it had in fact been sent at 2am and she went to check on them the next day.

That is my understanding at least. Either way it's slightly confusing because the police are saying there was nothing to indicate self harm etc but obviously the landlady was concerned. And the police acted pretty fast. Which we know they don't do unless they consider someone to be at high risk.

I could well be wrong,but I had the impression they had sent a previous message, a few days before the one sent from the bridge, saying they were planning to move out in the very near future,but did not specify a date. The message from the bridge informed her that they would not be returning to the flat.

 

[davidt]

I could well be wrong,but I had the impression they had sent a previous message, a few days before the one sent from the bridge, saying they were planning to move out in the very near future,but did not specify a date. The message from the bridge informed her that they would not be returning to the flat.

Yes. Problem is some of the language used is very confusing. Police said they had indicated in the days beforehand to the landlady that they wished to terminate the tenancy. He didn't explain what "indicated" meant. Their brother has said they wrote the landlady a message. But what does "wrote" mean? A letter, text, email, etc? One report spoke of an exchange of messages. I think its clear there was an initial communication of intent to leave which was ultimately followed by the final text. What's not clear is how many other messages/communications (if any) there were between those two events.

 

[Doric Loon]

We don't know what we don't know. We can make all the assumptions we want but we have no verification as to the status of both sisters. Which is why I brought up the issue of Haitian refugees in Canada who sailed blissfully along in their temporary home, not aware that legal status is based on applying for the proper documentation in a timely manner.

I used to work for the Ontario government, the OPP to be specific. Like a lot of government workers, a fairly large chunk of them were immigrants. Now you would think if you're working for the government, all those I's are dotted and the T's crossed. Not so. When one worker in my office applied for a permanent position and won, he was asked to prove his resident status in Canada. He told them they were very important documents, didn't like to carry them around and he'd bring them in soon. So his employment went through the proper channels and he never actually brought those documents in for verification because they'd never been issued. He was an illegal alien from Mexico who spoke perfect English who had already worked for the government for about 7 years. He applied for and received his landed immigrant status, became a legit resident of Canada and never lost his job. So assumptions can be made regardless of where someone works. I would think if that can happen within a police organization it can happen in a coffee shop.

It’s great to use local examples, but that just isn’t how it works here post Brexit with EU nationals living here pre-Brexit. There is no assumptions, the Police would have said as it would be an obvious reason for them to be thinking of doing such a thing if moving back to Hungary was a horrific idea for them both.

 

[tree1]

Yes rh

I could well be wrong,but I had the impression they had sent a previous message, a few days before the one sent from the bridge, saying they were planning to move out in the very near future,but did not specify a date. The message from the bridge informed her that they would not be returning to the flat.

at was my understanding. Very early on it was stated it was an opened ended ore warning if you like that they would be leaving but as you say, no date.

 

[tree1]

Yes rh

at was my understanding. Very early on it was stated it was an opened ended ore warning if you like that they would be leaving but as you say, no date.

Excuse typos! I meant ‘that was my understanding’ and fore warning