family sources say there is a four hour window for abduction

[CN2Souls]

Please read the posts in this thread and the accounts of the media:

#1 That her brother drove to the store is a known fact based on it being corroborated by multiple sources. Surly we can let the bar be set that low - corroborated facts can be relied upon.

#2 That DB has no Driver's License is a known fact based on the fact that it is a matter of record with the state. Surely we can agree that something verifiable by state legal authority is reliable as fact.


#3 That JI has a van he drives to the jobsite is a known fact because it can be corroborated by boss/coworker/etc.. See also #1, surely a fact is corroborated by multiple sources is reliable for us here.

Those are known facts about the transportation available and her means to use it.

We do NOT know the story with the white Lincoln. There is NO KNOWN FACT they have a car other than the van. That is an assumption drawn from the fact that he was driving a work van. I find that assumption dubious; just because one takes a truck to work does not mean there is another, working, licensed vehicle in the home.

It is not known for a fact that the white Lincoln is theirs, is running, or is tagged and legal.

It is not a known fact that DB could drive.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nts-refuse-interviewed-separately-police.html

RBBM,

I think the white Lincoln, is the family car as this picture shows them just getting out of it.

And walking up to the house.

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm just at the beginning of this thread. This is the most detailed time line released so far, and I'm noticing some llittle differences.

Whereas we were led to believe that DB's brother, Phil, had stayed at the home that night and was sleeping there, it appears that he left after accompanying DB home from the grocery store.

The nieghbor who sat and drank with DB until 10:30pm, says she stayed outside talking to another neighbor until 11:30pm and when she went inside she notice the lights out at the Irwin home, so that conforms with DB's statement that she went to bed at about 10:30pm.

One thing that I'm noticing with all these media reports is that there's no consistency. I think we're seeing a lot of media mis-reporting. I wish LE would have press conferences and release info, so there's some consistency in the facts of this case.

compare this latest timeline with parent statements... (there is a thread parent statements to the media).. no misreporting there.. it came right out of their own mouths.. and is different from this latest timeline... I will bump it up for you.. (thanks again to not my kids for doing all the transcribing of the video interviews!)

 

[Dr.Fessel]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nts-refuse-interviewed-separately-police.html

RBBM,

I think the white Lincoln, is the family car as this picture shows them just getting out of it.

And walking up to the house.

Sweet!! Nailed that down.:rocker:

 

[BritsKate]

Please read the posts in this thread and the accounts of the media:

#1 That her brother drove to the store is a known fact based on it being corroborated by multiple sources. Surly we can let the bar be set that low - corroborated facts can be relied upon.

#2 That DB has no Driver's License is a known fact based on the fact that it is a matter of record with the state. Surely we can agree that something verifiable by state legal authority is reliable as fact.


#3 That JI has a van he drives to the jobsite is a known fact because it can be corroborated by boss/coworker/etc.. See also #1, surely a fact is corroborated by multiple sources is reliable for us here.

Those are known facts about the transportation available and her means to use it.

We do NOT know the story with the white Lincoln. There is NO KNOWN FACT they have a car other than the van. That is an assumption drawn from the fact that he was driving a work van. I find that assumption dubious; just because one takes a truck to work does not mean there is another, working, licensed vehicle in the home.

It is not known for a fact that the white Lincoln is theirs, is running, or is tagged and legal.

It is not a known fact that DB could drive.

And not a known fact she couldn't. As stated previously I "borrowed" my sister's car when I was 15 years old - no driving lessons and certainly no driver's license. Still drove the heck outta her Plymouth Sundance though. :blushing:

 

[hambirg]

Just wanted to add that it is safe to assume that DB knows how to drive. I know she is not to be sleuthed, but that information is out there.

 

[Peazzzer]

I'm sorry but I have been in traumatizing events enough to know that I can recall them in detail. I am certain that if one of my family members came up missing, I would remember what I saw on that scene. I also feel that LE Wants to question DB N JI seperatly so JI can speak wo being interupted by DB. She has IMO yammered over him so much that he cant decern what did happen now.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Some of the things that people have said are being taken way to literally. If your baby was kidnapped and someone asked you a specific question a few days later, you might not actually answer it exactly. But it is recorded by the media forever, and people then judge other things you say with those permanent comments. Any psychologist will tell you that the human brain can't remember a story - TRUTH or not, in exact detail. The brain doesn't work like that.

So, picking apart insignificant details that were said a month ago and comparing them to comments made 2 weeks ago, or yesterday, does not mean anything. In fact, IF the story was exactly the same each time, it would indicate untruthfulness - or at least that the information had been memorized, rather than recalled.

:goodpost: THANK YOU for the logic.

 

[hambirg]

I think this new 4hr window is smoke and mirrors and lines up nicely with Jersey as the patsy.

I'm more inclined than ever to believe something happened earlier now, maybe around that 8:30pm phone call time.

Have there been any eyewitnesses to DB and SB sitting on the porch that whole time, besides them?

 

[Peazzzer]

IMO that window of opportunity opened the minute DB blacked out. Whats so weird about the people that black out is no one around them is aware that they are blacked out, drunk, yes but I could certainly not tell a blacked out drunk from a drunk! I say fooey on the timelines!

 

[EllaMae]

oh.. we also have this "ironing out" of inconsistencies from the family source as well:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15940122/source-says-4-hour-window-for-abduction


what this whole family source stuff reeks of is a message to police: no I didn't say thaaaat... I meant thiiiiis.....

it makes me really nauseous.

There's no reason that both couldn't be true.

I've bought things for a family event, and then used them before the event happened, and then had to replace them later. I'm also prone to get into the Halloween candy if I buy it too early...

 

[EllaMae]

JMO but if one was inclined to dispose of a body one might not have any scruples doing it in an untagged and illegal car without a licence or even someone else's car.

It wouldn't be the scruples.....it would be the higher risk of getting pulled over if there was no tag on the car, especially later at night when the cops are looking for trouble makers and suspicious vehicles.

 

[Donjeta]

I have been known to do that as well but I believe she bought the wine because she and her friend had planned the adult time that day. It fits the timing IMO, her being at the store at five-ish and then the friend goes to get some more alcohol at six-something and at seven or so they start drinking.

 

[katydid23]

I think this new 4hr window is smoke and mirrors and lines up nicely with Jersey as the patsy.

I'm more inclined than ever to believe something happened earlier now, maybe around that 8:30pm phone call time.

Have there been any eyewitnesses to DB and SB sitting on the porch that whole time, besides them?

I agree. Even if it were an abduction it could have started earlier. Someone could have snuck in the home while the drunk women were distracted. They had to go to the bathroom at some time, check on their 3 older kids at sometime, go in for snacks or more cigs at some time. Someone could have snuck in behind them and hidden, at any time earlier that night. Maybe that was when the call was made. Or maybe someone was allowed to enter the home to use the bathroom , for example.

 

[logicalgirl]

Hmm. I guess it depends on your experience. In my experience, I think I've seen girlfriends drink about 3 drinks in an hour at a happy hour, and after 3 hours, they'd have a BAL of about zero if they didn't drink anything else.

This link is helpful. If you enter 3 drinks in one hour, weight about 180, at the end of that hour she's still legal to drive. Three drinks, for people who have a little experience drinking, really isn't that much. At any rate, it wouldn't have made her illegal to drive a car.

http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/#LinkURL

Those are lucky folks - no way can you pass a Canadian breathalyzer at three drinks then three hours - before we had zero tolerance we had .5 tolerance. Most people who have had A beer will hit .4 to .8 on the scale.

Maybe we simply use different calculators. In Canada, or BC more specifically you are considered impaired after three drinks in an evening...sometimes you can get away with one - but no more...now everyone just takes a designated driver who agrees not to drink.

 

[lonetraveler]

I agree. Even if it were an abduction it could have started earlier. Someone could have snuck in the home while the drunk women were distracted. They had to go to the bathroom at some time, check on their 3 older kids at sometime, go in for snacks or more cigs at some time. Someone could have snuck in behind them and hidden, at any time earlier that night. Maybe that was when the call was made. Or maybe someone was allowed to enter the home to use the bathroom , for example.

I was just going to post something about DB and her neighbor having to go to the bathroom in the timeline period between 5:00 pm and the 10:30 pm. This has been a stickler for me. I just can not believe that a woman can drink that much wine without going to the bathroom so I'm going to assume that DB did go inside periodically to use the bathroom. DB has stated that she did not check on Lisa after she put her in her crib at 6:30pm. Now, how hard would it have been to go into the house to use the bathroom and not "at least" open the baby's door and peek in on her?? I also think that Lisa's diaper and clothing were most likely soaked due to not being changed and Lisa probably cried most of the time before her mother came in at around 10:30pm. I also seriously doubt that DB took the box of wine outside with her and just filled her glass outside. This woman had ample opportunities to check on Lisa but did not, why? If anyone wanted to take this child they probably could have took her right in front of DB's face and she woudn't have noticed.:banghead:

 

[suzilight]

IMO that window of opportunity opened the minute DB blacked out. Whats so weird about the people that black out is no one around them is aware that they are blacked out, drunk, yes but I could certainly not tell a blacked out drunk from a drunk! I say fooey on the timelines!

Is it a verified fact that DB blacked out and/or passed out?

 

[JeannaT]

Is it a verified fact that DB blacked out and/or passed out?

No. She was in an interview the day before Joe Tacopina (sp) surfaced, and she submitted to pretty much any question asked. The reporter asked if she had been drinking wine, she said yes, 5 glasses? More, she said. More than 10? No.

"Is it possible you blacked out?" pause . . . . "it's possible".

So, I know we discussed this at great length at the time, but I don't think there's really any way to "verify" that she was blacked out without a witness.

From my memory, I don't think "passed out" was ever mentioned, only "blacked out", which is different.

 

[spcagrl]

This four hour window is about as believable as Casey Anthony saying she dropped off Caylee at the Sawgrass Apartments between 9 and 1 on the last day Caylee was seen alive.

It does sound like JI has a quick temper, though. I still can't get past why he would think the neighbor had Lisa. It almost sounds like he thought the neighbor took Lisa on purpose. What in the heck is that about? Why would the neighbor do that if she was drinking with DB earlier? I hate that as the days go by, this is case is making less and less sense to me!

Well.........just MAYBE, JI really did look in on the boys......and Baby Lisa, when he got home.......he saw that Lisa was not in her crib.....then he wakes up DB and yells at her "where's the baby?". Perhaps she lied to him too, saying Lisa was over at SBs house, which would make him go over there demanding his baby back........and turning SB into a sort of Zenaida Frenandez you know who type of figure.......this is all so crazy I can't help making things up....

 

[annalia]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nts-refuse-interviewed-separately-police.html

RBBM,

I think the white Lincoln, is the family car as this picture shows them just getting out of it.

And walking up to the house.

Good find, thank you. Isn't there also a video of this?

Anyone know if it's been officially verified through state records that DB never had a drivers license? I tried to search to see if it had been reported in the media but couldn't find anything.

 

[Darcyline]

The last supposedly confirmed sighting of Lisa is around 630 (which was confirmed by DB and a four year old). Therefore, nope, nice try but a four hour window is impossible to prove without more sober witnesses to confirm it.