FL FL - AMBER ALERT: Diana Alvares, 9, Fort Myers, 29 May 2016 #3

[lauriej]

http://www.wesh.com/news/man-who-li...ing-girl-case-talks-with-wesh-2-news/39950094
Man who lived with person of interest in missing girl case talks with WESH 2 News

--snips

"He said he came from Ohio," said the Orlando man, who does not wish to be identified by WESH 2 News.
The man said he let Jorge Guerrero live in his home for three days.

..(pretty risky of Jorge to stay w/ strangers for 3 days w/ his pic out there on the AA).


"I found the guy Tuesday night (May 31st) around 7 p.m. to 8 p.m. He said he didn't have any ID and I asked if he had money and, if he had money, I told him, I can rent a hotel for you. He said, 'That's OK,' but when I see the guy so wet, I take him to my house and give him some clothes," the man said.
The man said Guerrero gave him a fake name and told him he was going to try to catch a ride to Miami. When that did not happen, he said, Guerrero ended up back at his house. He eventually had to kick him out.

..(so where was JG between sunday the 29th, when he claims his vehicle broke down in Yeehaw and his brother helped him get it towed--until the stranger took a wet JG in on Tuesday night, the 31st?)

..the complaint also says that according to JG, once he could no longer drive the black Malibu, he returned to Orlando in a GMC Safari.....and that belongs to ?

..he was then picked up in Okeechobee on June 3rd----how did he get there? what was he doing for money ?

 

[Karinna]

http://www.wesh.com/news/man-who-li...ing-girl-case-talks-with-wesh-2-news/39950094
Man who lived with person of interest in missing girl case talks with WESH 2 News

--snips

"He said he came from Ohio," said the Orlando man, who does not wish to be identified by WESH 2 News.
The man said he let Jorge Guerrero live in his home for three days.

..(pretty risky of Jorge to stay w/ strangers for 3 days w/ his pic out there on the AA).


"I found the guy Tuesday night (May 31st) around 7 p.m. to 8 p.m. He said he didn't have any ID and I asked if he had money and, if he had money, I told him, I can rent a hotel for you. He said, 'That's OK,' but when I see the guy so wet, I take him to my house and give him some clothes," the man said.
The man said Guerrero gave him a fake name and told him he was going to try to catch a ride to Miami. When that did not happen, he said, Guerrero ended up back at his house. He eventually had to kick him out.

..(so where was JG between sunday the 29th, when he claims his vehicle broke down in Yeehaw and his brother helped him get it towed--until the stranger took a wet JG in on Tuesday night, the 31st?)

..the complaint also says that according to JG, once he could no longer drive the black Malibu, he returned to Orlando in a GMC Safari.....and that belongs to ?

..he was then picked up in Okeechobee on June 3rd----how did he get there? what was he doing for money ?

Looks like he certainly had help along the way.

 

[krig101]

https://m.facebook.com/okeechobeenews/

They finally posted about this, keeping an eye on comments in case we get anything interesting

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Just catching up....wow the photo is so different from the one on the AA

 

[krig101]

and..

YEEHAW JUNCTION, Fla. – Federal authorities are trying to link pornographic images found on a suspect’s phone to the bedroom of 9-year-old Diana Alvares as the search for the missing girl continues.



-Nin

Hard to read that statement

 

[krig101]

http://www.wesh.com/news/man-who-li...ing-girl-case-talks-with-wesh-2-news/39950094
Man who lived with person of interest in missing girl case talks with WESH 2 News

--snips

"He said he came from Ohio," said the Orlando man, who does not wish to be identified by WESH 2 News.
The man said he let Jorge Guerrero live in his home for three days.

..(pretty risky of Jorge to stay w/ strangers for 3 days w/ his pic out there on the AA).


"I found the guy Tuesday night (May 31st) around 7 p.m. to 8 p.m. He said he didn't have any ID and I asked if he had money and, if he had money, I told him, I can rent a hotel for you. He said, 'That's OK,' but when I see the guy so wet, I take him to my house and give him some clothes," the man said.
The man said Guerrero gave him a fake name and told him he was going to try to catch a ride to Miami. When that did not happen, he said, Guerrero ended up back at his house. He eventually had to kick him out.

..(so where was JG between sunday the 29th, when he claims his vehicle broke down in Yeehaw and his brother helped him get it towed--until the stranger took a wet JG in on Tuesday night, the 31st?)

..the complaint also says that according to JG, once he could no longer drive the black Malibu, he returned to Orlando in a GMC Safari.....and that belongs to ?

..he was then picked up in Okeechobee on June 3rd----how did he get there? what was he doing for money ?

I wonder if the van belongs to his brother....

 

[lauriej]

Just catching up....wow the photo is so different from the one on the AA

..yes, it sure is. and yet the stranger that took him in for 3 days recognized him once he had left, and he then saw the pic on the AA.

..I wonder if JG shaved over the weekend in jail ( although he would've been smarter to change his appearance while on the run...)

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/32155028...where-guerrero-was-arrested?clienttype=mobile

A clean-shaven, groggy Guerrero appeared in a federal courtroom in Fort Myers Monday morning to face child *advertiser censored* charges.
He faces up to 20 years in federal prison and a maximum fine of $250,000. No mention was made of the missing girl during the 10-minute hearing.

 

[razzledazzle]

I've read most everything on this case. What information might LE have to search for Diana as if she is deceased? I keep thinking the had time enough to hand her off to someone. Am I just wishful thinking that she might be alive somewhere? Might LE be doing ground searches somewhat publically while possibly investigating a trafficking ring? I can't help but feel that others are involved, and I desperately want this young girl found alive. Also, I don't think the will open his mouth about anything, especially if he handed her off to someone. JMO

 

[cvaldez1975]

that makes sense actually. he may have again laid the phone down in Orlando when the landscaper from Daytona found it.

Okay, so he says he tossed it. Did the police ask why in the h*** he tossed a smartphone?

I am now thinking the tossing of the phone may have been a ploy. His phone stays stationary unable to detect where he REALLY WAS at the time. So she may not be anywhere near this area at all. She may be in the area he went once he tossed the phone.

I said at the first I didn't think he was as stupid as some other offenders are and I still don't think he is a stupid guy. Now he did screw up when his cell phone led them right to Diana's door. Did a lightbulb come on when he was in the area of his tossed phone and all of a sudden he realized if they had his phone pings his movements could be detected?

I am beginning to think she isn't in that area at all. He placed her somewhere else and that location may never become known.

What if he just laid the phone down somewhere in YeeHaw and went on where he was going?

 

[cvaldez1975]

he may have not known that anyone would find it and was planning to come back and get it?

But why would you toss your phone if it had dammning evidence of child *advertiser censored* on it? If you were worried about carrying it around, why not destroy it and drop it in a lake? Or throw it off a bridge. Why throw it in a field where workers/landscapers are going to be working?

I am leaning more towards him being out walking in that field and losing the phone. That's why he called his number---to see if anyone found it. imo

 

[steelman]

I've read most everything on this case. What information might LE have to search for Diana as if she is deceased? I keep thinking the had time enough to hand her off to someone. Am I just wishful thinking that she might be alive somewhere? Might LE be doing ground searches somewhat publically while possibly investigating a trafficking ring? I can't help but feel that others are involved, and I desperately want this young girl found alive. Also, I don't think the will open his mouth about anything, especially if he handed her off to someone. JMO

She's deceased. If she was alive and well somewhere, this clown would be singing like a canary to get himself sprung from jail. Everything about his actions point to him being in the same town as her, and then fleeing back home (wherever he calls home). I'd say that plain old common sense is their best indicator.

By this point in time, they may have also obtained surveillance videos of his vehicle with 2 people inside, followed later on by a video of his vehicle with only one person inside. He would have passed in front of dozens and dozens of video cameras on his journey from Ft. Myers to Okeechobee, and then on to Yeehaw Junction. It would've been daylight video too, the best kind. I would imagine it was his return trip to Okeechobee that was the most alarming to them, with only one person being seen in the car....... the driver.

If there was human trafficking involved, this guy would've had plenty of money in his pocket to get his own place for awhile and not have to bounce from place to place like a vagrant.

 

[Aleph]

I still think he tossed his phone in an area where he knew it would likely be found. He knew someone would need the passcode to access his phone so he wasn't worried about the contents since no one who found it would have the passcode. I think he purposefully ditched the phone trying to setup an Orlando alibi as if he never left the area he said he was in when Diana's family talked with him. Then he was curious if someone had found it and that is why he called it. Once he knew it was a landscaper who found it is when he told him to keep it.

Yeah. I think he was indeed panicking, but the contents of that phone were "precious" to him, and he didn't want to entirely throw it away with no chance of ever getting it back. Otherwise, why not smash it or throw it in a swamp?

 

[Aleph]

i have an LG phone that locks too! you set the time when it locks automatically. i think it is with most smartphones today

My iPhone doesn't, unless you set it up that way. It only asks for a passcode when you turn it on or after it's been charging.

 

[Aleph]

We've finally reached that uncomfortable crossroad that happens in a whole lot of these cases. LE is conducting searches on their own, with their own manpower, and excluding the public. While I do believe they are searching in the right area based on the phone pings, it is a huge area with many different places a vehicle could travel and park for a few hours. A five mile radius around the closest cell tower would encompass an area the size of a small city. A ten mile radius would encompass an area the size of a huge city.

While I do realize the importance of protecting the crime scene, I also realize that bodies will decompose and degrade rapidly in wet, humid, and hot conditions. The faster they can find her remains, the better for both the coroner and the investigation. You really don't need any special training to follow the directive of, "If you see something suspicious, stop where you are, don't touch anything, and call it in immediately ". A lot of the guys you see in the videos on horses, atv's, and on foot are following that exact directive.

It's a matter of simple math. 5000 people searching in an area can fan out further and faster than 300. 5000 people can cover much more area in a day than 300. When you hear them talking about 300 LE officers being involved in the search, you can be assured that 100 out of that 300 are not searching at all, but are coordinating, doing setup work, handling communications, traveling back and forth to town, barricading roads, etc.

The last half dozen cases I've followed where volunteers where allowed to aid in the search, in every single case, the person was found by a volunteer........not by an official LE employee. Once again, it boils down to the math. You have a better chance of winning the lottery if you buy $30 worth of tickets, than you do if you just buy 1 ticket.


If LE were to ask the public to come out and help search via social media and the MSM, I have little doubt that they could meet or exceed 5000 people in a matter of hours. Even 2000 would be a huge boost. If they want to limit the volunteers to people between the ages of 21-50, I understand the argument. If they want to limit the use of atv's and off road vehicles, I understand the argument there too. I think the key is boots on the ground..........and a whole lot of them.

I highly doubt my suggestion will come to pass anytime soon. This entire investigation has been cloaked in secrecy and hidden from public view for the most part. There haven't even been any official press conferences to inform the public and update the media where the investigation stands. For the most part, the public has been pretty much cut out of the loop all together. It's odd how LE jurisdictions will handle identical situations in a completely different manner. In some places, the local sheriff will call in the cavalry and beg for help from anybody than can assist, including volunteers. In other places, the public is shunned and told to stay home.....LE will handle it.

I am not at all a local, but it sounds like a potentially hazardous place to have the public come in and help with a search.

 

[WillenFan21]

Does anyone know if there have been any searches conducted close to home? I feel that if she is deceased that she is located somewhere near home as it states in the phone records that JG's phone was stationary for several hours before the GPS showed that he was headed towards Orlando. I feel something happened to Diana in that time frame and that if she's deceased that it's been since May 29th. I understand they want to cover all fronts but I think searches near the home should be conducted again.

 

[cvaldez1975]

my iphone came with that feature. it can be turned off, but when you set it up, it has that unless you bypass it.

My iPhone doesn't, unless you set it up that way. It only asks for a passcode when you turn it on or after it's been charging.

 

[cvaldez1975]

the area they said the phone was stationary is yeehaw junction, which isn't that close to home. I believe that is where they are searching.

Does anyone know if there have been any searches conducted close to home? I feel that if she is deceased that she is located somewhere near home as it states in the phone records that JG's phone was stationary for several hours before the GPS showed that he was headed towards Orlando. I feel something happened to Diana in that time frame and that if she's deceased that it's been since May 29th. I understand they want to cover all fronts but I think searches near the home should be conducted again.

 

[Lots2Learn]

the area they said the phone was stationary is yeehaw junction, which isn't that close to home. I believe that is where they are searching.

I thought there was a place close to the house searched in the very first days

 

[WillenFan21]

the area they said the phone was stationary is yeehaw junction, which isn't that close to home. I believe that is where they are searching.

It says in the documents that the phone was stationary near Fort Meyers (the town Diana lives in) check out the posts below from me and Greater Than we put together a smaller timeline of the phone. YeeHaw Junction was mentioned because it was along the route he was taking to go back home to Orlando.

Edited: NEVERMIND you were right. I must have got confused. LOL

Okay guys after reading the documents over again and doing a smaller timeline of this phone it sounds to me like he did ditch the phone possibly on the day Daina went missing. I am honestly thinking after re-reading these documents if Diana is no longer with us that something happened to her on May 29th the day that she was taken as it shows the phone was stationary for several hours on the day before it showed him heading home. I am wondering if LE shouldn't be looking closer to her home.

Here is a shortened time-line I just wrote up to make it less confusing. Fort Meyers to Orlando FL is only a 2hr 50 minute drive. It sounds to me like he was back to Orlando within a day and if the phone remained stationary for qutie sometime before he went home then I do not think Diana is in Orlando. I think the stationary time is when something happened to her. I honestly think he may have ditched the cell phone once he got back to Orlando thinking it wouldn't be found that far away. Let me know what you think!

All info taken from here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/315022834/Criminal-Complaint-Jorge-Guerrero-Torres

Cell Phone Timeline Trimmed down from the Scrbd document

May 28th - Phone records showed evidence that in the evening of May 28th JG left his residence in Orlando and heading towards Fort Meyers Records also confirm communication between JG's phone and a cell phone at DA's residence.

May 29th: Phone records show that JG was in Fort Meyers from 12AM to 3AM it then shows that in the early morning hours that phone was heading back towards Okeechobee FL and continued towards the Yee-Haw Junction. It then says the phone remained stationary for several hours before it started to show movement back towards Okeechobee and finally reaching Orlando where the phone is from.

June 3rd - LE tracks the cell phone to Daytona FL and that is when it then became in their position because LE showed up to the mans house who had the phone.

June 5- Forensics was run on the phone.

According to the federal complaint, these are the locations the phone was tracked:

Saturday, May 28
In the evening hours: traveled from his home in Orlando towards Ft Myers

Sunday, May 29
Between 12:00 am - 3:00 am: in the area of DA's home
Between 12:00 am - 3:00 am: communicated with a DA household cellphone
Early morning hours: traveled from Ft Myers towards Okeechobee
Continued to Yeehaw Junction (stayed stationary for several hours)
Traveled from Yeehaw Junction to Okeechobee
Traveled from Okeechobee back to Orlando place of origin

Unknown Date
According to JG he discarded the phone is a grassy area off a sidewalk near an apartment complex
Landscaper found phone in a ditch with high grass in Orlando in an area near Barwood Dr.

Friday, June 3
Cellphone tracked to landscaper in Daytona who said he found the phone at the above location

 

[Bravo]

She's deceased. If she was alive and well somewhere, this clown would be singing like a canary to get himself sprung from jail. Everything about his actions point to him being in the same town as her, and then fleeing back home (wherever he calls home). I'd say that plain old common sense is their best indicator.

By this point in time, they may have also obtained surveillance videos of his vehicle with 2 people inside, followed later on by a video of his vehicle with only one person inside. He would have passed in front of dozens and dozens of video cameras on his journey from Ft. Myers to Okeechobee, and then on to Yeehaw Junction. It would've been daylight video too, the best kind. I would imagine it was his return trip to Okeechobee that was the most alarming to them, with only one person being seen in the car....... the driver.

If there was human trafficking involved, this guy would've had plenty of money in his pocket to get his own place for awhile and not have to bounce from place to place like a vagrant.

I agree. Sadly. We certainly know this guy was into child *advertiser censored*. If he was part of a ring or became part of one while living with Diana's Family I really don't think he would have spent that many months there. IMO would have delivered her. Grabbed the cash and moved on. This guy is what 28? IMO there are many more victims. This may be his first as far as murder. IMO he spent the time there due to his own sick needs til he got careless and it was noticed.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It says in the documents that the phone was stationary near Fort Meyers (the town Diana lives in) check out the posts below from me and Greater Than we put together a smaller timeline of the phone. YeeHaw Junction was mentioned because it was along the route he was taking to go back home to Orlando.

Edited: NEVERMIND you were right. I must have got confused. LOL

Wouldn't taking the YeeHaw Junction route be out of the way to get to Orlando? Isnt it a straight shot from Okeechobee to Orlando or do I have that wrong. If he deviated from the normal route then I can certainly understand why LE would be searching that area.