FL - Michelle Mishcon, 53, & John Stevens, 59, murdered, Tequesta, 15 Aug 2016 - #1

[CARIIS]

I must have missed that one, I hope CARIIS posts it, I thought the one where the man was grunting and dragging himself on the ground was disturbing

Thanks ~

jmo 🐮

Hi!

moo....

Sorry I dont remember I found the experince upsetting so I stopped. The one thing I remember about that one was that only 4 videos were on that channel- which I found repulsive - it hit me like he liked that one for the two disgusting ones, I did not click

It was one that was not the blue ones -- all of them were him and the band in his mind ( I think they all were him) . He tried on one to make it sound like he was in a studio and playing all these insturments.

The problem with this angle was in his "opening" he identified himself as the one on each insturment!!

Sorry guys - the frat boys have some explaining to do, IMO - I am feeling they (there is money apparently) were all told not to say one word to LE about anything -- peroid.

Socieconmic IMO does tend to group folks together - so I would assume the frat friends (if they really exist) come from similiar backgrounds.

I would think affluent parents would consult with their attorneys and they would advise thier sons to shut up. We truly have heard very little from any of them.

He was peculiar I wonder if he was not rejected in the frat house.

OR

they knew a lot - of either steroid abuse, or harder stuff. Just saying - peers- would work out together-probably know he might have been addicted to steroids.

And if harder stuff comes back - who who drinks would hang with someone that is at that level of addiction??

It is summer - party! God, I wonder if people do this stuff "together"? Can you imagine a party of six on bath salts? Together? In a room?

 

[glf]

Hey glf 

If that were to happen, does insurance cover that in a situation when cannibalizing other victim(s) occurred??

jmo 

Honestly, I'm not sure. But when a person has health insurance, it is strictly there for illness and injury. I would think it would be considered discrimination if his insurance refused to pay because he committed a crime. I have never done much office work, just nsg work. When I worked in a pharmacy as a clerk, we didn't even have to submit paperwork to private ins cos, only Medicaid. That was '79 and '80. The person kept their medicine receipts and gave them to office staff who submitted claims on their behalf. Then they would get a check from the ins co for their meds minus the co-pay.

 

[GeeEm]

Well, he did grab him by the collar and probably said shape up. Seriously, I wish his father wouldn't try to rewrite history now by making any more statements to media. That's MOO.

Hi Curious Me 🙂

You know I feel the exact same way, rewriting history, claiming mental illness, ??? what's next? Seriously, no one will end up believing anything he falsely claims.

Thanks ~

jmo 🐮

 

[CARIIS]

It is really hard to know what to believe. His mom acts like his strange behavior just started a few days before this happened. His dad claims he was seeing emotional problems for the past five months, if I remember correctly. Somebody would really have to botch up tube insertion to cause bleeding to the point of concern. I believe he did ingest something harsh, burned his lungs and causing fluid buildup for him to need help breathing. It sounds like he started exhibiting several big problems shortly after arriving at the hospital, since from the time police arrived and arrival at the hospital would have given the substance time to be absorbed by the bloodstream. Stable condition sounds like an improvement, but not necessarily. He isn't getting worse, from what we've been told, but he doesn't seem to be improving either.
There are several ways descriptions are used along with the word stable. For ex, critical but stable, guarded but stable, fair but stable, and a few others. So it's anybody's guess as to what description actually fits his symptoms and problems.

Like some of you vascilate between he drank something or not.

If so

I do not beleive it was sucide attempt- not in state of mind to think like that I would think. The brutality of it (hot humid too) I think he may have been thristy

Also I found the neighbor reporting that he was dressed telling...it seems - all the way around that LE is either on purpose blurring everything or some real problems exist.

The guy who just got stabbed who stated both shorts and T shirt I beleive- he was just 6 inches away from him ? So what is all this shorts a mile away, unless he mistook boxers for shorts. Maybe I am thinking too logically but if one took off their shorts, especially a male, why would they not take off their shirt?

Also mom on her call doubting if he had a shirt on leads me to beleive ( and would totally match up with his obsession about his upper body) he would take off his shirt- but the guy said T-Shirt-- so wear (pun intended!) is all this coming from??

Also wondered if he tried to eat the switchblade. In his mind he is immortal - pretty good test of that delusion huh?

I would kinda think drinking terpentine or whatever would leave a smell in your breath - in terms of the ambulance ride?

I am experiancing Pike County deja vu!!!

 

[glf]

Where does it state he is needing organs donated to him?


In my thoughts he doesn't deserve any, there are more decent people on tons of waiting lists

Let him get his off some dead animal, no wait, that's too good as well.

jmo 

If his liver continues to fail, without a transplant he would die, regardless of any medical intervention. The liver stops functioning, his other organs will begin to fail. And if his lungs and esophagus are permanently damaged, along with having seizure activity, he would have almost no possibility of even partial quality of life. As it stands, he won't have any, anyway because he'll be locked up for the rest of his life. I sure wouldn't want anybody to do everything under the sun to try and save him if he was just going to spend the rest of his life locked in a state hospital, possibly being in a vegetated state until his body gives up. With seizure activity reported, we have no idea how much brain damage he may have from various drugs he may have taken, compounded by whatever poison he added to the mix.

 

[CARIIS]

or similiar designed layout or house color. I thought he might have thought he arrived home to find strangers in his house and flipped out on drugs or steroid rage, not in his right mind of course.

wow intersting notion - does not make it right but that is an intersting thought.

Both my father and older sister live in those kind of communities and beleive me there are a lot of them that look alike. The huge doors in front, the colors bla bla In the beginning , more than once I would pull up in my fathers in the next door neighbors - no joke.

On my sisters - gave up - they all know I have directions issues. Got to the point to where she would come up and get me and I would follow her back - hate it very pretensious

Anyone with maps and stuff --can you find a pic of both houses??

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks CARIIS for posting the 911 call. Wow, did you all hear what Mom let slip???????
When she was describing his clothes she said "Blue polo, if he still has it on"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a super bizarre thing to say out if the blue.
Makes me think:
A. He's acted like this before and takes off his shirt, or:
B. SOMEONE SAW HIM without his shirt and reported back to Mom.
Hmm. Hmmmm. And hmmmm.


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Yes my dear-- I found that VERY interesting as well......hummmmm....

maybe the frat boys were afraid of him? Mommy also did not call police for a long time - I was under impression much earlier

unless he ran like superman how hard would it be to find someone on foot if one started looking in a timely manner

a dad physically assualting a son in a public place is also pretty out there IMO

If his liver continues to fail, without a transplant he would die, regardless of any medical intervention. The liver stops functioning, his other organs will begin to fail. And if his lungs and esophagus are permanently damaged, along with having seizure activity, he would have almost no possibility of even partial quality of life. As it stands, he won't have any, anyway because he'll be locked up for the rest of his life. I sure wouldn't want anybody to do everything under the sun to try and save him if he was just going to spend the rest of his life locked in a state hospital, possibly being in a vegetated state until his body gives up. With seizure activity reported, we have no idea how much brain damage he may have from various drugs he may have taken, compounded by whatever poison he added to the mix.

If we throw out drinking a chemical, could would either steroids or designer drug be able to kill his liver if just used once or sparingly?

Or would both have to indicate chronic abuse to mess up your liver. Liver is a pretty tough machine!

 

[x_files]

Or a combination of the two.

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It's quite possible it's steroid abuse combined with other street drugs and early onset of schizophrenia. Then another side thinks it's all an act he is a psychopath who took drugs.

 

[x_files]

Yes my dear-- I found that VERY interesting as well......hummmmm....

maybe the frat boys were afraid of him? Mommy also did not call police for a long time - I was under impression much earlier

unless he ran like superman how hard would it be to find someone on foot if one started looking in a timely manner

a dad physically assualting a son in a public place is also pretty out there IMO






If we throw out drinking a chemical, could would either steroids or designer drug be able to kill his liver if just used once or sparingly?

Or would both have to indicate chronic abuse to mess up your liver. Liver is a pretty tough machine!

I wish the restaurant would release footage of the fight. It's hard to access his personal state of mind just from him walking out.

 

[glf]

wow intersting notion - does not make it right but that is an intersting thought.

Both my father and older sister live in those kind of communities and beleive me there are a lot of them that look alike. The huge doors in front, the colors bla bla In the beginning , more than once I would pull up in my fathers in the next door neighbors - no joke.

On my sisters - gave up - they all know I have directions issues. Got to the point to where she would come up and get me and I would follow her back - hate it very pretensious

Anyone with maps and stuff --can you find a pic of both houses??

There is a new addition across the street from us, lots of homes already occupied, and they are still building like crazy. I call it a generic neighborhood because 90% of the houses have the same floor plan, just reversed. A few different brick colors and trim colors, but still not much of a selection. And these are probably in the 200,000.00 range!

 

[x_files]

What a haunting pic ---read the headline..........................just wow ..............

wow. I see a beautiful house and neighborhood. Hard to imagine this actually happened here. They should have been relaxing and enjoying the rest of their lives here.

 

[Jax49]

I'm curious about the frat situation--does anyone know if he was a legacy?

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks CARIIS for posting the 911 call. Wow, did you all hear what Mom let slip???????
When she was describing his clothes she said "Blue polo, if he still has it on"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a super bizarre thing to say out if the blue.
Makes me think:
A. He's acted like this before and takes off his shirt, or:
B. SOMEONE SAW HIM without his shirt and reported back to Mom.
Hmm. Hmmmm. And hmmmm.


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Yes my dear-- I found that VERY interesting as well......hummmmm....

maybe the frat boys were afraid of him? Mommy also did not call police for a long time - I was under impression much earlier

 

[SpanishInquisition]

Could the bleeding esophagus be from the supposedly caustic material he allegedly ingested?

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The reason I think it is from liver failure is that he's been in the hospital a week, it's not like he arrive yesterday, but as an ongoing problem his esophagus is still bleeding and his lungs are still filling up. His esophagus may have also been irritated in swallowing it, but I think it's more the effect it's had on his liver than the direct contact.

 

[GeeEm]

Like some of you vascilate between he drank something or not.

If so

I do not beleive it was sucide attempt- not in state of mind to think like that I would think. The brutality of it (hot humid too) I think he may have been thristy

Also I found the neighbor reporting that he was dressed telling...it seems - all the way around that LE is either on purpose blurring everything or some real problems exist.

The guy who just got stabbed who stated both shorts and T shirt I beleive- he was just 6 inches away from him ? So what is all this shorts a mile away, unless he mistook boxers for shorts. Maybe I am thinking too logically but if one took off their shorts, especially a male, why would they not take off their shirt?

Also mom on her call doubting if he had a shirt on leads me to beleive ( and would totally match up with his obsession about his upper body) he would take off his shirt- but the guy said T-Shirt-- so wear (pun intended!) is all this coming from??

Also wondered if he tried to eat the switchblade. In his mind he is immortal - pretty good test of that delusion huh?

I would kinda think drinking terpentine or whatever would leave a smell in your breath - in terms of the ambulance ride?

I am experiancing Pike County deja vu!!!

(((CARIIS)))

You are posting incredible information and I personally want to say thank you for all the hard work and time you spend doing this. Those pictures were so difficult to look at, and then I cried when I seen the headline on the newspaper. We may never know what really happened.

It's just so sad for the innocent victims who were barbarically murdered 😭😭😭

And yes, I feel like I too, am experiencing the Ohio murders. 😭😭

Just numbing at this time. I want to feel empathy for AH parents, but right now I just can't go there. Stating mental issues is/was the cause then why the HELL didn't he receive help earlier?

Honestly, I'm sick of things happening in this world that's so evil when people commit crimes thence, use the "ole trump card" mental issues. AND if they are put into state hospitals, we all know who gets to pay for someone "murdering innocent people"!!!!! 😡 😡 😡

Sorry for the rant but I, personally call BS on his dad.

Oh yes, I about forgot to ask how you think AH ingested something in the ambulance ride? Would he not be strapped in by then?

Thanks ~

jmo 🐮

 

[CARIIS]

Thanks CARIIS for posting the 911 call. Wow, did you all hear what Mom let slip???????
When she was describing his clothes she said "Blue polo, if he still has it on"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a super bizarre thing to say out if the blue.
Makes me think:
A. He's acted like this before and takes off his shirt, or:
B. SOMEONE SAW HIM without his shirt and reported back to Mom.
Hmm. Hmmmm. And hmmmm.


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I also found this strange

She told Officer Luis Rocha her son had no history of mental illness nor heavy drug use. It just does not sound right IMO, coming from a parent - I dont know why- gives impression she is aware of some use kinda??

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Daily Mail on Wednesday spoke to an acquaintance of Harrouff's from FSU, who speculated that steroids may have played a role in Monday's vicious attack.
'I don't think it was flakka or any sort of hallucinogen,' said the FSU student, who asked not to be named. 'I just think that this kid had a steroids dependency and had a bad, bad roid rage that night.
'I can anonymously attest that this guy had gotten bigger and bigger at alarming rates throughout our first year of college.'


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It is also interesting how

According to his parents, Harrouff became agitated - possibly over slow service - and left during the meal which turned into dad grabing his son in a public place hummm again.....

When talking about your son eating strangers , how does a doctor leave out shizophrenia runs in the family? hummm again.............

Dad appears to have addictive qualities as well

wonder reason for divorce speculating dads drinking? From the collar pull at Duffys obviously dad can get physical?

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[GutInstinct]

Thanks so much CARIIS for posting all the pics. Is this the home of the son's family or the home of the victims?

 

[SpanishInquisition]

I would imagine he started throwing up after he got to the ER, and the staff recognized that with his strange noises and actions, then the nausea was consistent with a poison and/or caustic ingestion. I also wonder why it would take so long for a tox screen. I would think a blood and urine sample could be sent to an independent lab and get results much sooner

They sent it to the FBI because they can check for an extremely wide range of things

 

[glf]

Yes my dear-- I found that VERY interesting as well......hummmmm....

maybe the frat boys were afraid of him? Mommy also did not call police for a long time - I was under impression much earlier

unless he ran like superman how hard would it be to find someone on foot if one started looking in a timely manner

a dad physically assualting a son in a public place is also pretty out there IMO






If we throw out drinking a chemical, could would either steroids or designer drug be able to kill his liver if just used once or sparingly?

Or would both have to indicate chronic abuse to mess up your liver. Liver is a pretty tough machine!

That would depend on the person and the drug. Everybody's system is a little different, some more sensitive than others. I think if he just used, say cocaine a time or two, there might not be any detectible signs of damage. Another person could use the same amt, and experience terrible liver pain do to some permanent damage. It seems that most drugs, legal and illegal are metabolized by the liver, and some mainly thru the kidneys. But regardless, everything we ingest food, liquids, drugs, are dependent on liver and kidney metabolism.
When one of my sons was on a mild antidepressant, after he took it for several months, built up in his kidneys and was becoming toxic. He came home from school one day complaining with a backache, right where the kidneys are. I thought he had an infection, and the doc said no, and chgd his med. And told me what was happening. Even though he was a kid who drank plenty of water, and fruit juices pretty regularly. But a friend took the same med, and never had a problem.

 

[GeeEm]

Thanks so much CARIIS for posting all the pics. Is this the home of the son's family or the home of the victims?

Hi GutInstinct

Not CARIIS, but the pictures she posted are of the murder victims home 😭😭