GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #13

[CCmakes3]

So, after he tosses the lightbulbs into the car, he walks back towards his office building. He spots a person walking in the direction of his car. Ross fiddles with his phone while he watches if this person is going near his car and may then see Cooper. What IF this person saw Cooper and tried to get into the car to retrieve him—what IF he called 911? Ross is standing fiddling with his phone, and then has to respond to the commotion caused by this second person. How does he pull that one off? "Oh, I was just on my way out to the car—you mean my son is in there?" Or, if the second person had noticed Ross headed TOWARD the office building, how does Ross explain having just LEFT the car? Having opened the door, tossed in lightbulbs, not seen or smelled that child, and casually standing around fiddling with his phone?

Reacting to the coincidence of the second person discovering Cooper within eyesight of him (Ross) would have been a challenge to the best of actors.

Ross came quite close to the "big reveal" which he most certainly would have been ill prepared.

Yup, and I think the important thing that people keep forgetting is that Ross DENIED visiting his car at lunch until confronted with the existence of the surveillance tape.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Welcome Kristin!


The Androgel discussion goes back to this thread. See
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...11&p=10726994&highlight=androgel#post10726994.

It was interesting and provocative, I think, especially because we don't know RH's diagnosis- what led to the injections etc. Thoughts in light of linked thread?

Oh that was a good post- I had no idea that it was "just" RH physician treating him for LowT/HH as opposed to a reproductive doctor!!!

Ok so if it was RH primary care doctor treating him or a specialist, they would treat as they were UNLESS he specifically talked to them about wanting to preserve fertility while doing so. Testosterone shots and gel make it so your body doesn't think it needs to produce Leutanizing hormone or FSH so it essentially stops thus the problems with sperm count/motility. And there lies the problem with conceiving on these drugs.

He would have to tell them that he wanted to try conceiving w his wife. Bc then treatment changes drastically to preserve sperm count and healthy motility.

So being that this guy is a known liar liar pants on fire, did he not tell his doctor this? Possibly not. Did he not tell LH about the impact on fertility? Possibly not. Maybe she was left grasping at straws as to why they couldn't conceive. Did she have to dig this info up about the negative effects his drugs had on fertility bc he was not forthcoming?

They should have immediately consulted a reproductive specialist given his (unconfirmed?) condition. Based on the severity of it, they may have needed to do IVF and not just a drug to treat his condition.

Still, there are risks for genetic abnormalities, risks from drugs, etc. So who knows. When people aren't on the same page about having kids, that can cause a crapload of pressure, bad feelings, resentment, and be a total dealbreaker.

Did they both want kids? Who knows? But if he didn't want kids and dragged his feet....

My husband and I know another couple where the wife desperately wants a third and the husband is like "nah I'm all set" and their marriage is about to implode. So I can only imagine what it would be like in this case, and then he's cheating. What a trainwreck.


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[LittleRose]

That's a good point, if morals keep declining and the pool of jurors available have done all kinds of bad things, who is going to have the guts to stand up and say I believe there is such a thing as right and wrong and I'm confident I know what it is?

Right. It's challenging to sit in judgment of another if you haven't taken responsibility for and squared away your own wrongdoings. Plenty of folks out there lead double lives. Hoping none will end up on this jury...


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[New1]

My husband used to sell insurance. Fwiw he always told his clients that insurance on children/dependents was ridiculous and pointless. And if you're doing it to "save for college" there are better ways with much better returns. Just my/his professional opinion! (He is covered for $1 mil and I am covered for $500,000 and we have squat on the kids).

And if the unthinkable happens (God forbid), what then? Infants and small children DO die and there are funeral expenses. It probably would cost just as much to bury a child as it would an adult although that is just a guess. I do not find it strange for people to have life insurance on their children, so I disagree with your husband's advice. JMO

 

[LambChop]

And even if someone is 100% innocent, any mother would feel guilty because she would be going through the "what if's". With all the media attention an attorney was the right choice for LH. It sounds as if she may have said too much already to put doubt in people's minds. jmo

 

[tlcya]

interesting theory KristinSchmistin

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Yup, and I think the important thing that people keep forgetting is that Ross DENIED visiting his car at lunch until confronted with the existence of the surveillance tape.

It was my understanding from the hearing that he "omitted" telling LE about the visit to the car until confronted. Only a slight difference (IMO it was likely a purposeful omission), but brought up for accuracy...

 

[RANCH]

And if the unthinkable happens (God forbid), what then? Infants and small children DO die and there are funeral expenses. It probably would cost just as much to bury a child as it would an adult although that is just a guess. I do not find it strange for people to have life insurance on their children, so I disagree with your husband's advice. JMO

The single $2000 policy would be enough for any reasonable funeral expenses IMO. The extra $25,000 was not necessary. The $25,000 could be a motive in this case. JMO.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

And if the unthinkable happens (God forbid), what then? Infants and small children DO die and there are funeral expenses. It probably would cost just as much to bury a child as it would an adult although that is just a guess. I do not find it strange for people to have life insurance on their children, so I disagree with your husband's advice. JMO

This advice was what I've always heard as well. Interestingly, in this day and age (as evident with this particular case, too), there are often employers who will offer to cover the funeral expenses or friends who will raise money for that in the event of an untimely death of a child--simply because it's so unthinkably tragic. Not that you'd want to depend on that; just noting how it differs from the deeper economic necessity of a responsible adult's life insurance policy.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

The single $2000 policy would be enough for any reasonable funeral expenses IMO. The extra $25,000 was not necessary. The $25,000 could be a motive in this case. JMO.

I was listening to the hearing again, today, and noted that Alex H testified that their joint start-up web development company was only 2-3 months old. I hope that (along with the slew of college and credit card debt) was not one of the financial factors in possibly planning Cooper's death, knowing that RH had also come to be unhappy with his job at Home Depot.

 

[CCmakes3]

And if the unthinkable happens (God forbid), what then? Infants and small children DO die and there are funeral expenses. It probably would cost just as much to bury a child as it would an adult although that is just a guess. I do not find it strange for people to have life insurance on their children, so I disagree with your husband's advice. JMO

Understood. He just didn't feel comfortable pushing it because even if you received no donations whatsoever (which seems unlikely), the money you would save in approximately a year of not feeding/clothing said child would probably pay for the funeral. In that case, life insurance on a child would only be necessary for those with poor credit and/or living paycheck-to-paycheck, in which case they probably couldn't afford it and/or shouldn't be spending their money on it....if that makes sense! But I understand it's a matter of opinion and some feel better having it.

 

[tlcya]

funerals are terribly expensive for adults. Even ones that are not elaborate or fancy in any way can cost average of around 13 to 16 Thousand around my parts. Not sure about children but I see a lot of adults' funeral bills at my job.

 

[popsicle]

Judge Alex Ferrer ‏@judgealexferrer 8h
That's a case that absolutely goes to trial. RT @xxxxxx: Will Ross Harris go to trial? Thoughts on "forgetting" ur baby? #HotCarDeath

 

[CCmakes3]

The single $2000 policy would be enough for any reasonable funeral expenses IMO. The extra $25,000 was not necessary. The $25,000 could be a motive in this case. JMO.

Right, if you have a small policy that is free or dirt cheap through your employer, then that absolutely makes sense to take advantage of.

 

[human]

So if you need a lawyer and you will have to put up several thousand dollars for it, where do people get that kind of money?

I suppose you can get a short term loan with a bank with no collateral. Do banks do signature loans anymore? Refinancing a house takes time.

Cashing in retirement or stocks has a big penalty.

Quite frankly, I don't know what I would do.

 

[renarde]

Yup, and I think the important thing that people keep forgetting is that Ross DENIED visiting his car at lunch until confronted with the existence of the surveillance tape.

Did he deny, or just forget to mention it at first? There's a difference.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

So if you need a lawyer and you will have to put up several thousand dollars for it, where do people get that kind of money?

I suppose you can get a short term loan with a bank with no collateral. Do banks do signature loans anymore? Refinancing a house takes time.

Cashing in retirement or stocks has a big penalty.

Quite frankly, I don't know what I would do.

You do what you have to do (though usually the choices don't become crystal clear until you're in this situation). Either (heaven forbid if it's serious) get court-appointed counsel, or sell the car, the house, refinance the house, take penalties on your IRA account, get a loan, etc. If you're facing a possibility of DP, or life, or even 10 years, what price do you place on your freedom (not to mention reputation)?

 

[Karmady]

It was my understanding from the hearing that he "omitted" telling LE about the visit to the car until confronted. Only a slight difference (IMO it was likely a purposeful omission), but brought up for accuracy...

Yes, he definitely did not deny it. And his attorney pointed out that he also identified both of the friends who went with him to buy the lightbulbs and dropped him off at his car and that he undoubtedly knew that the parking lot was on CCTV, so I doubt whether it was purposeful. Maybe, idk.

 

[RANCH]

funerals are terribly expensive for adults. Even ones that are not elaborate or fancy in any way can cost average of around 13 to 16 Thousand around my parts. Not sure about children but I see a lot of adults' funeral bills at my job.

I think that it's possible to spend $27,000 on a persons funeral. I don't think that it's a requirement that a family spends a lot on a funeral. My family doesn't.

My dad died a few years ago and I think mom spent around $1500 total. That's for the cremation, a bronze plaque, and for the services. We bury our family members on family property so burial plot costs are zero.

 

[OtterPops]

Did he deny, or just forget to mention it at first? There's a difference.

He just "forgot" to mention it according to his lawyer... along with a few (dozen) other things.


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