Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #5

[kittythehare]

The article confirmed that those in LE have long believed.

what do you believe is RH’s signature? MO does evolve but the signature is always present. I believe his signature was in his posing and disposal of the remains. There was nothing else that’s has been released anyway that is unique. I also believe this is why they have yet to link him to the non-gb4. If they had any evidence, he’d be charged or he will be soon. We will see.

Have to disagree re signature, it's not always present.

Serial Killers: Modus Operandi, Signature, Staging & Posing

How a serial killer attacks and leaves a crime scene allows FBI profilers to predict whether an unknown offender is an organized or disorganized killer.

www.psychologytoday.com

Over time, serial murderers may extend their activities outside of their comfort zone but only after building their confidence by executing several successful murders while avoiding detection by law enforcement authorities.

5 Myths about Serial Killers and Why They Persist [Excerpt]

A criminologist contrasts the stories surrounding serial homicide with real data to help explain society’s macabre fascination with these tales

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[kittythehare]

I think most of the professionals involved with this case believe that there are 2 different SK’s. I thought this was well known?

I don't believe it's well known or accepted, actually.

 

[Kikalina]

I don't believe it's well known or accepted, actually.

Really? I am surprised by this.

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[Ursamajr]

I don't believe it's well known or accepted, actually.

Really? I am surprised by this.

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On one hand, Heuermann appears to be operating off of some serial killer textbook and seems like he should be reliably predictable. On the other hand, he's been operating as an active serial killer in one of the most densely populated and geographically restricted areas in the entire country. He might have been forced to change his MO because of the risk. This would make it hard for anyone - expert or not - to read into.

Bundy changed his MO because breaking and entering got a little too risky for his tastes.
Look up Carl Eugene Watts - that guys MO was all over the place.

IMO this might be another one of those times that Long Island as a unique physical location plays heavily into RH's story.

 

[CuriousCricket]

could have started at any age.
i see no reason for it to finish though.

FEAR once the bodies were discovered and the case interested people around the world. He knew what the stakes were if he were caught and this is a cowardly man.

 

[kittythehare]

FEAR once the bodies were discovered and the case interested people around the world. He knew what the stakes were if he were caught and this is a cowardly man.

He was still contacting sWs though..
that is too close to the fire he would want to avoid if fear was his motivating factor.
I think a change in MO would be a more reasonable diversion...

 

[Kikalina]

On one hand, Heuermann appears to be operating off of some serial killer textbook and seems like he should be reliably predictable. On the other hand, he's been operating as an active serial killer in one of the most densely populated and geographically restricted areas in the entire country. He might have been forced to change his MO because of the risk. This would make it hard for anyone - expert or not - to read into.

Bundy changed his MO because breaking and entering got a little too risky for his tastes.
Look up Carl Eugene Watts - that guys MO was all over the place.

IMO this might be another one of those times that Long Island as a unique physical location plays heavily into RH's story.

I’m not so hung up on the change of MO, that definitely happens. I also don’t think that the GB4 are his only victims. I do believe the GB4 are his only victims in that location. But, as you said, changing up MO’s can definitely make it difficult to figure out who is responsible for who and what. I truly hope RH talks. I would love for the UID to be identified.

 

[kittythehare]

Really? I am surprised by this.

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The Strange Rise and Violent Fall of Long Island's Dirtiest Police Chief

Former Suffolk County Chief James Burke's recent conviction on civil rights charges opened a window into a lurid cop culture of illegal wiretapping, cover-ups, sex addiction, drunk driving, and blackmail.

www.vice.com

With a history like this?

 

[Ursamajr]

I’m not so hung up on the change of MO, that definitely happens. I also don’t think that the GB4 are his only victims. I do believe the GB4 are his only victims in that location. But, as you said, changing up MO’s can definitely make it difficult to figure out who is responsible for who and what. I truly hope RH talks.

Yeah, I also can't see the GB4 being his only. If they are able to link the AC4 to Heuermann I won't be shocked. As for the others found along Ocean Parkway... one minute I absolutely believe it was RH and the next, I question that. It feels both logical and illogical to think he might be responsible for all of them.

Edited to add: I'm not including SG.

 

[Kikalina]

Yeah, I also can't see the GB4 being his only. If they are able to link the AC4 to Heuermann I won't be shocked. As for the others found along Ocean Parkway... one minute I absolutely believe it was RH and the next, I question that. It feels both logical and illogical to think he might be responsible for all of them.

Yup. This is me too. I am certain one day that he’s the only one and then the next day I am dead set that Bittrolff is responsible for the other victims. Lol I drive myself crazy.


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Edited: I also am not including SG as I don’t believe RH is involved with her.

 

[sds71]

Aerial footage of the scene in Heuermann's back yard

'Soundproof room' found in Rex Heuermann's home

Police searching the house of the Gilgo Beach murder suspect Rex Heuermann have reportedly discovered a soundproof room in the basement, a neighbor said.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[wcasewatch]

The article confirmed that those in LE have long believed.

what do you believe is RH’s signature? MO does evolve but the signature is always present. I believe his signature was in his posing and disposal of the remains. There was nothing else that’s has been released anyway that is unique. I also believe this is why they have yet to link him to the non-gb4. If they had any evidence, he’d be charged or he will be soon. We will see.

Signature is what he needs to do. We do not know what signature was found (if any) in the 1996-2003 cases. The FBI had access to that info and they concluded that it was the same killer. But you can't charge someone based on signature or "odds". It's very possible that they do not have enough evidence to charge him with the earlier murders. Remember that Ridgway was originally indicted for four murders. Samuel Little was a similar story. Bundy was only charged with a subset of his killings as well.

 

[wcasewatch]

Unless he is has a recording studio he has a lot of explaining to do!

Be careful. The NY Post will use this as proof that he recorded an acoustic album.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

I'd think that, if he did keep on murdering petite SW's, it only would have been when his wife and step son and d' were out of town.

 

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[fidgeypie]

Yup. This is me too. I am certain one day that he’s the only one and then the next day I am dead set that Bittrolff is responsible for the other victims. Lol I drive myself crazy.


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Edited: I also am not including SG as I don’t believe RH is involved with her.

I'm with you there too I flip flop backwards and forwards myself. I need to look into John Bitlroff to be honest and what was found at his house

 

[Yemelyan]

The article confirmed that those in LE have long believed.

what do you believe is RH’s signature? MO does evolve but the signature is always present. I believe his signature was in his posing and disposal of the remains. There was nothing else that’s has been released anyway that is unique. I also believe this is why they have yet to link him to the non-gb4. If they had any evidence, he’d be charged or he will be soon. We will see.

IMO signatures can also evolve over time BUT they will likely stay in a very similar vein...for example, if a killer starts out cutting the clothes of his victims he may evolve to also cutting later victims' hair. The cutting part of the signature, the core psychological need if you will, stayed the same while the fantasy slightly evolved over time. For RH, I believe the binding of the victims with belts and tape was a major part of his signature. As for many serial and also child killers (who are usually very similar to serial killers even if there is only one murder in their sequence), the bindings are not utilitarian but part of the fantasy. All my own opinions however.

 

[Kikalina]

I'm with you there too I flip flop backwards and forwards myself. I need to look into John Bitlroff to be honest and what was found at his house

Here is some info on him

John Bittrolff's house

This is the former home of the suspected serial killer John Bittrolff. The house is situated on Silas Carter Road in Manorville, New York.

oddstops.com

 

[SkylarSid]

On the inside of the door of the green shed, there is "APR 2012" (presumably 'April 2012') written on it. I wonder what that's about?
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IDK about the date on the door. I guess they are analyzing the wood??

 

[sripey]

Signature is what he needs to do. We do not know what signature was found (if any) in the 1996-2003 cases. The FBI had access to that info and they concluded that it was the same killer. But you can't charge someone based on signature or "odds". It's very possible that they do not have enough evidence to charge him with the earlier murders. Remember that Ridgway was originally indicted for four murders. Samuel Little was a similar story. Bundy was only charged with a subset of his killings as well.

Could you provide a link that shows the FBI concluded that all of the murders were the work of one killer?