**Graphic and adult content**Jodia Arias Trial Discussion #7

[norest4thewicked]

I think that they will have to use heavy restraints to keep her OFF the stand because I know that she wants to get on that stand a LOT! If we knew nothing else about Jodi, just listening to all of her interviews and hearing her talk, we know that she LOVES to talk and thinks that she is superior in intelligence. I know her attorneys won't want her to get on the stand, but I bet it will be a struggle.

 

[popsicle]

Yeah, what were the first names?

Dustin and Ashley Thompson

 

[TigerBalm]

Jodi Arias Shocking Murder Trial Day 7.
http://youtu.be/6oHVtnSyX9g

Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day 7. Part 2. Not Complete
http://youtu.be/HcgFnrV-elo

 

[mrsu]

I can't wrap my head around the sequence that things happened, and it's making me crazy that we'll probably NEVER know!

Some thoughts:

1. IF JA shot Travis WHILE he was in the shower, it seems that she would have done it first because the way he was placed in the shower at the end would not be the correct side he was shot on. The last photo of him alive (crouching in the shower) WOULD have his right side exposed which is the side he was shot on.

2. IF he was shot first and then stunned and attempted to get out of the shower, where did the knife come from? Was it just handy in the bathroom? Was it already in the bedroom for some reason?

3. IF she did stab him first...why? She had a gun available to use, makes no sense to me.

4. In one of her stories she says the "ninjas" first shot Travis, then tried to shoot her but the gun jammed. Maybe there is some truth to this? Maybe the gun jammed the second time and she resorted to a knife? At that point she would feel like she needed to finish off the job as he would identify her if he survived.

5. The shell casing. Today JA said in testimony that she was taking pics of Travis with the shower door open. If this is true, a lot of water would have likely been spraying on the floor prior to her attack. I think it's possible that she shot him, the casing fell, but the water accumulated on the floor and possibly carried the shell casing to another area. (I think the defense will have an expert testify that this could be the case). The casing could have also landed somewhere that was protected and in the attempt to clean up with a towel it was hit and slide to a spot of dried blood.

6. Can someone explain to me...I didn't follow all of the ME testimony. IIRC he said the bullet DID in fact travel thru the brain. How does a bullet travel through the brain, not come out the back or hit the skull, but ends up lodged in the opposite cheek? I am not doubting his testimony, I just don't understand how that happens.

7. Was the knife ever found?

Just some thoughts to ponder. IMO the sequence does not matter, she deserves to die either way.

ETA: Also...if she DID shoot him first, it almost makes the self defense even more unreasonable to me. She just all of a sudden has a gun in the middle of an argument when she's never held or shot a gun (according to her)? She shoots someone with a downward projectory and it's self defense? Doesn't seem likely. Would be more plausible for a female to shoot someone in the chest or at the very least with an upward projectory based upon most womens' size in relation to mens.

 

[norest4thewicked]

It seems it might be easy but if he had been shot first he never would have made it down the hallway to the bedroom carpeting. But, of course, she would have no way of knowing that then. I believe the ME determined it was last by the path of the bullet and what it would have effected in the brain. JA has been very careful to avoid the truth through this whole thing. I don't think she would suddenly start with how she actually killed him. jmo

Agreed. I think that she was thinking that she would try to throw the detective off by saying that he was shot first. Perhaps he would suddenly think, "Oh no, then she couldn't have done it". She's a mental mess!

 

[LambChop]

Ok I don't believe I'm saying this but it seems shooting first would be easy. Meaning less chance of TA defending himself and more chance of her gaining the upper hand. I'm just thinking TA could see knife and deflect it in time unless his eyes were closed. I'm not sure why but in her lie I think she may have told the truth, she shot him first stunning him and then went for the knife.

It seems it might be easy but if he had been shot first he never would have made it down the hallway to the bedroom carpeting. But, of course, she would have no way of knowing that then. I believe the ME determined it was last by the path of the bullet and what it would have effected in the brain. JA has been very careful to avoid the truth through this whole thing. I don't think she would suddenly start with how she actually killed him. jmo

 

[LaneGirl]

It seems it might be easy but if he had been shot first he never would have made it down the hallway to the bedroom carpeting. But, of course, she would have no way of knowing that then. I believe the ME determined it was last by the path of the bullet and what it would have effected in the brain. JA has been very careful to avoid the truth through this whole thing. I don't think she would suddenly start with how she actually killed him. jmo

You so could be right and as I've stated the bullet casing on top of blood seems to prove the shot was last. I just can't get out of my mind that TA could have deflected the knife UNLESS his eyes were closed. If I'm looking at you with a knife I'm gonna fight arms up, if I'm looking at a gun I'm thinking oh crap kinda thing.

 

[polleypockets]

I think that they will have to use heavy restraints to keep her OFF the stand because I know that she wants to get on that stand a LOT! If we knew nothing else about Jodi, just listening to all of her interviews and hearing her talk, we know that she LOVES to talk and thinks that she is superior in intelligence. I know her attorneys won't want her to get on the stand, but I bet it will be a struggle.

yes did you see how excited she was to explain that the reason she felt guilty about his death was because of the "butterfly effect"? - she' gonna try string theory next

 

[ButForFortune]

Hubby and I were talking about the motive behind Jodi killing Travis last night. He thinks that Jodi became jealous and that it was a "if I can't have you, no one can" type of situation. I disagree. Here we have a woman that has never done this type of thing before. We have heard that she has broken up with all of her past boyfriends instead of them breaking up with her. I don't think that Jodi gave a rat's behind if Travis was not wanting to be with her anymore, not on that personal level. I think it was more of an "how dare YOU dump ME.......look at me (hot, sexy, desirable) compared to you (ok looking, inexperienced, naive). You should be treating me like the princess I am and giving me whatever I want simply because I decide to be with you (someone lower on the scale looks wise, etc than I am)." I don't see any love from Jodi towards Travis at all. I see a woman who found a man that was on the rise as far as work goes, had a very nice home, nice car, good looking in the sense that one didn't need to imagine he was someone else, naive, inexperienced and she thought easily to control. She found Mormon men..........jackpot for Jodi. This was not a crime of passion in my mind, at all. This was a how dare you reject me even though I really don't give a sh@t about you. Jodi could not stand the rejection, even though she was moving on to the next guy already.

I hope this made sense. I just don't see this as plain cut and dried, if I can't have you no one can.

MOO

ETA: Thanks to everyone for the play by play today! Much appreciated!

This is exactly why I personally believe the stab wounds came first. She WANTED him to know she was in control. And was going to kill him for what he had done. How dare he!! Take that! And that! And that!

 

[bobloblaw]

Hubby and I were talking about the motive behind Jodi killing Travis last night. He thinks that Jodi became jealous and that it was a "if I can't have you, no one can" type of situation. I disagree. Here we have a woman that has never done this type of thing before. We have heard that she has broken up with all of her past boyfriends instead of them breaking up with her. I don't think that Jodi gave a rat's behind if Travis was not wanting to be with her anymore, not on that personal level. I think it was more of an "how dare YOU dump ME.......look at me (hot, sexy, desirable) compared to you (ok looking, inexperienced, naive). You should be treating me like the princess I am and giving me whatever I want simply because I decide to be with you (someone lower on the scale looks wise, etc than I am)." I don't see any love from Jodi towards Travis at all. I see a woman who found a man that was on the rise as far as work goes, had a very nice home, nice car, good looking in the sense that one didn't need to imagine he was someone else, naive, inexperienced and she thought easily to control. She found Mormon men..........jackpot for Jodi. This was not a crime of passion in my mind, at all. This was a how dare you reject me even though I really don't give a sh@t about you. Jodi could not stand the rejection, even though she was moving on to the next guy already.

I hope this made sense. I just don't see this as plain cut and dried, if I can't have you no one can.

MOO

ETA: Thanks to everyone for the play by play today! Much appreciated!

She is a psycho gold digging biatch.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I'm going to try an unofficial poll here. I will post twice in a row. "Thank" only one of the posts to vote...

POLL: Do you think that JA will take the stand? THANK THIS POST TO VOTE "YES".

Wow... people are so moral, I don't see (m)any double votes ("thanks"). I was going to double vote but I don't want to be the misfit.

For now I'll vote yes. I think it's more likely that she won't testify but that seems to logical and lord knows JA and logical don't belong in the same sentence. Plus I want to see what Juan does to her. lease:

 

[norest4thewicked]

Guys...the EXPERT has already said that the shot came last. Why is this even still a question? I'm not understanding.

 

[Quester]

If CAnthony could be forced to be truthful [yeah – I know], it would be very interesting to hear CA’s commentary on JA’s performance on these fascinating LE interviews.

Can psychopaths see right through the BS of other psychopaths? TIA

 

[ButForFortune]

yes did you see how excited she was to explain that the reason she felt guilty about his death was because of the "butterfly effect"? - she' gonna try string theory next

I thought that was odd - I understand the "butterfly effect" but the context she used it in made absolutely no sense.:waitasec:

 

[PrincessSezMe]

NG just said heinous. It sounded like anus though.
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I'm sure someone must have commented on this already (I'm behind in the threads), but thanks wasn't nearly enough. ROFLMAO :floorlaugh:

Now I'm thinking about the comments yesterday, after the pics of what reminds me of an old moccasin, and I can't stop giggling. :laugh:

 

[norest4thewicked]

Has anyone read this article about how Jodi gets special privileges in jail?

http://www.mstarz.com/articles/7631...angry-tax-dollars-murderer-graphic-photos.htm

Thoughts?

 

[FrayedKnot]

I didn't really think this out, but could she have pistol whipped him first in the shower? Then used the knife, and then finally, the gun? Maybe she wanted to knock him out before attempting to stab away.

I still think Travis was looped up on something. I think J'cray cray could have easily put something in his water or soda or even given him something that he took willingly, believing it was Viagra-ish. I do think Travis was into Jodi sexually, and may have agreed to some kink, thinking he had already made it clear that they were done relationship-wise.

I just say that because those photos look like some sick documentation of abuse and Travis looks like he is only half there. And kind of frightened/traumatized.

Sure would have made the rest of Jodi's evil doing much easier if Travis were messed up on ketamine or something like that. Posing pictures, sexually assaulting him, and eventually murdering him.

Even if he were "normal" enough again to shower, he might still have had slower reflexes and JA might have had an easier time overpowering him and stabbing him to death.

Heinous beotch. And JMHO

 

[OneLostGrl]

Jodi Arias Shocking Murder Trial Day 7.
http://youtu.be/6oHVtnSyX9g

Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day 7. Part 2. Not Complete
http://youtu.be/HcgFnrV-elo

Thank you, Thank you!!

 

[JackieO]

At some point while he was in the shower she had to go get the gun and knife. Maybe while he first got in?

The murder was premeditated, with Jodi's script calling for the murder to take place in the bathroom. She knew Travis would shower sometime after her planned seduction and ensuing sex, so she hid her weapons in the bathroom earlier when she was using the facility. All she had to do then was to remove the knife while Travis was in the shower. The gun could stay hidden, but within easy reach, until after the stabbing and removed if needed.

.

 

[GobBluth]

Dr. Drew says men are less likely to become obsessed as a reason to stalk. I have to disagree. Plenty of men obsessed and stalkers.

Absolutely! I have one myself, for years. Multiple protective orders, arrests (including many felony charges), a knife, peering in windows, busting thru multiple windows, ankle monitor violations, suicide threats dozens and dozens of times, threats, weird gifts, creepy deliveries, 5 or 6 different inpatient hospitalizations in mental institutions, jail time, etc. Currently in the middle of filing another protective order.

I feel like I am always reading about male stalkers. Maybe they just take their stalking to a criminal level more than women, but women exhibit obsessive stalking behavior more. Perhaps that is what he is trying to say. I think most women can admit to a crazy relationship moment at least ONCE (snooping around home, checking email, phone history, internet history, etc.) That, to me, is not stalking, nor obsessive, if done once or so. Nothing to be proud of, though. I've done it back in the day, lol.