Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #15

[margarita25]

I had a feeling the Black SUV would turn out to be insignificant, due to the fact the LE never commented or appealed about this.

Good sleuthing though folks on finding other abductions involving the vehicle description.

Unfortunately there are so many attempted abductions nationwide imo that there is probably every kind of car in the book.

 

[Veracity]

Hi there. I have missed you.

Its possible like everything else, but with a community so rural, I tend to doubt it is a total stranger without any connection to the area. They would have to be awfully lucky for no one in the town to see them at anytime nor notice them or their vehicle at all. And in small communities strangers stick out like sore thumbs.

As I posted last night in the prior thread, I think the suspect is from the general area, and may be someone Mollie knew even if slightly. He could be just a familiar friendly face she sees often when she is out and about. I also believe they may have known beforehand the three would be out of town that week, and Mollie would be there alone. Talk travels in small towns even if her boyfriend or other construction workers were idly chit chatting about it at a store in town and it was overheard. Or someone who already knew everyone in the home was going out of town but Mollie was staying there.

I find it highly significant that she was taken at the very time she was staying alone in the home pet sitting for her boyfriend. I don't think that is a coincidence, nor mere lucky timing for the abductor.

I am glad they have cleared the person in the black SUV. I have seen that on every MSM news channel today as if it could be the break they needed. I wish it had panned out, but at least now maybe all of the MSM will set the record straight so the person isn't hounded by the media since it has no connection to Mollie's case. It does show that people in the community are observant though.

So while I believe the abductor lives in the general area possibly right among those who are grieving for Mollie ...what really matters in this end is no matter who they are..I pray they are exposed for the vile evil human being they truly are, and that Mollie is found and returned to the countless people who love her. May justice come soon.

So terrific to see you here!!! You said it so well

 

[mountainguy777]

Red shirt, no red shirt, doesn’t really matter. Something was found the day the rumors started because LE was all over the specific area.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Incident was reported by barkeep after she closed up bar and was heading home. We researched this the other night so I am going from memory. Hardware closed at 6 pm and bar closed at 12 midnight. Source of info was also posted the other night and was local media. Sorry I can't go back to prior threads easily while on my phone, but I'm sure you can find it. Someone later posted a picture of the damage to the ft door of the hardware. Looked like someone had hit it with a baseball bat and it had partially shattered in the corner.

Or perhaps Mollie was fighting off an attacker & the door broke in the fight. We don’t know for sure it was vandalism- just reported as such.

 

[margarita25]

Regarding the voluntary disappearance theory, when MT first went missing, my thoughts were immediately towards Iowa City and the University. Has there been any mention of MT having friends or contacts from school and LE investigating them?

This reminds me, I wanted to ask if you guys have researched campus incidents, in case this was a targeted abduction.

 

[Inthedetails]

Not saying it’s related, but I wouldn’t be quick to dismiss its significance, shall we be dealing with a local, drunk, agitated, violent perp. We know Jeffrey Willis was at the bar/game room very close to the convenience store from where Jessica H was abducted. I’ll try to find the discussion you are refencing, thank you JoJoJo.

Is this regarding the hardware store vandalism? When I read that the damage to the store was from a baseball bat, my first thought was of a group of teen boys. It was not a comforting thought. I have my own experience of a lone female being surrounded by a group of teens with a baseball bat and I consider it a miracle they were scared off. Several years after my incident, I'm still grateful for that miracle. It's possible Mollie encountered a pack.

FWIW, this isn't something I considered much previously, though I did wonder if her running route took her by the HS and wondered if kids in town hang out there in the summer.

(If this has been discussed already, my apologies. I skipped ahead to get to the end of the thread, I admit.)

jmo

 

[KaaBoom]

Hi there. I have missed you.

Its possible like everything else, but with a community so rural, I tend to doubt it is a total stranger without any connection to the area. They would have to be awfully lucky for no one in the town to see them at anytime nor notice them or their vehicle at all. And in small communities strangers stick out like sore thumbs.

Even small towns have a constant flow of traffic passing through them 24/7/365. Depending on the vehicle, locals might recognize it as not being from the area, but that would be nothing unusual.

While locals may all recognize each other, that doesn't mean that they don't see strangers everyday. BTW I grew up in a small Midwest town almost the same size as this one.

 

[margarita25]

Red shirt, no red shirt, doesn’t really matter. Something was found the day the rumors started because LE was all over the specific area.

Well, remember in Lucas’ case LE and TES returned to Chisholm Park several times (based on a tip), and nothing was found there that I recall. As mentioned often they are “ruling areas out”. I dont know if anything was found or not, as I said, if so they might not even reveal that, especially while testing is in the process of being conducted. I do think there is a reason for them to have been searching that area though.

 

[human]

I think this is exactly what I said. At this point the only tips you are getting are the well meaning but probably inaccurate attempts of people in the area to remember something. That’s why I’m questioning whether the PCs are really to ‘keep it in the public eye’.

There is so much going on all over so today’s sensation falls off of the radar

Pinging for "GPS", "Signal Triangulation" and "OTDOA" (Observed Time Difference Of Arrival) are methods for determining cell phone location.

Much about all you've ever wanted to know about location determination can be found at this link:

What is OTDOA | How OTDOA works,OTDOA applications,benefits

It is very technical, so be prepared if you're not of the tech-geek variety!

 

[margarita25]

Is this regarding the hardware store vandalism? When I read that the damage to the store was from a baseball bat, my first thought was of a group of teen boys. It was not a comforting thought. I have my own experience of a lone female being surrounded by a group of teens with a baseball bat and I consider it a miracle they were scared off. Several years after my incident, I'm still grateful for that miracle. It's possible Mollie encountered a pack.

FWIW, this isn't something I considered much previously, though I did wonder if her running route took her by the HS and wondered if kids in town hang out there in the summer.

(If this has been discussed already, my apologies. I skipped ahead to get to the end of the thread, I admit.)

jmo

Yes yes yes my mind went here as well, Inthedetails (good to see you btw. I was reading your posts on the early threads).

 

[bizzle2]

imo, mollie voluntarily disappearing is low on my possibility list at this point. however, with the little we have to work with, i just cant rule anything out.

the only way i see the voluntary disappearance as a possibility is if she is with someone who is supporting her. and he/she (the former would prob be someone romantically into her and the latter a true BFF, i cant see other types of relationships doing this for someone). but anyway, he/she has driven her out of town, is the one going outside to purchase groceries, mollie is using their phone/computer as a way to check in w the world etc.

just a thought - if LE suspected this, at a certain point does being held captive or voluntarily living under someone's protection become a blurred line? re LE thinking shes staying bc shes brainwashed or this person legally shouldnt be covering for her anyway/give her the option of hiding....confusing to think about & hard apply concise labels to some relationships & situational dynamics in life sometimes.

They'd want to talk to her alone to make sure it was what she wanted. But with the resources deployed so far I don't see how LE wouldn't have already done this. One of the first steps after getting her phone/social media info would have been to interview everyone she had contact with the last 24-48 hours before disappearing and verify where all those people were the night of July 18/morning of July 19. IMO it's extremely far-fetched for her and someone else to pull this off for 3 weeks.

Plus, a $200k+ payday would surely be enough for whoever it was to give her up by now if no crime had been committed.

 

[TPeeFitz]

Using throwaway cell phones maybe? Don't these lack SIM cards and/or can't be traced? Unsure, just an idea on other means of communication, not leaning at all towards Mollie voluntarily going missing, but it's a more hopeful scenario in terms of her still being alive vs. abduction.

I believe this would be highly unlikely. You do need to initiate these types of phones with a credit card. They are trackable in that regard. She would have either had to set it up herself or would have had to met with someone else who initialized it first and then gave it to her. I find it hard to believe that if this was a possible scenario, that LE would already be on to it and it would only be a matter of a short time before they were able to find the other person she had been communicating with.

 

[Deleted member 227095]

Right when the hog farm searched started I took pics of the search vehicles showing up at the scene (mods removed my pics and asked me not to post that kind of stuff). They definitely had a dog setup unlike anything I’ve seen. I believe the five canines that travel in that wonderdog mobile are as proper as they come.

If you want a MSM source for the vehicles that were at the site I believe it was a lone local CBS reporter that was onsite for quite awhile (until at least 6pm when her phone battery ran out and she could no longer broadcast). She reported on the dogs being present but we never saw pictures of the dogs (maybe LE asked her not to broadcast dogs and team that were searching). Someone else reported on here in an earlier thread that later that the searchers and presumably dogs were picked up in a van at a different location from where the reporter was standing and where the search ended and then driven back to their vehicles near where the reporter was standing. As far as I've seen nobody has posted pictures of the actual dogs and handlers. I kept checking back to see if the live feed from the reporter ever went back up and it never seemed to return. So, if reporter got her cell phone working maybe her coverage was on the 10 pm news that night or was never shown.

 

[DancingMuse]

Maybe a few days. Not for 3 weeks with the FBI looking for you.

That makes sense.

With regards to the FBI - I was just trying to imagine HOW they look at and INTERPRET all her electronic data which was received.

And specifically, because I am woefully lacking on Knowledge of FITBIT's capabilities, and also of basic Physiological knowledge (esp. during a crisis) , ..........I was sort of hoping that some of the amazing experts here could explain:

1) if LE has all or much of MT's fitbit data,..........

How do they distinguish between a .......person's VITALS who have been zapped with a Stun-gun VERSUS (let's say) a person who is "just" having a horrible Asthma attack which might have occurred "naturally"?

I am sitting here reading up on all the neurological effects, (incl. those vital signs monitored by FTBT), and how they are affected by Stun-guns......and trying to get an idea of before/during/immediately after/an-hour-after..........what actually would the FITBIT read-out look like? (also, as compared to some other bad stuff that could happen to someone)

Does anyone know here, off the cuff, .......to create some understanding....? Many thx.

 

[SharonNeedles]

just a thought - if LE suspected this, at a certain point does being held captive or voluntarily living under someone's protection become a blurred line? re LE thinking shes staying bc shes brainwashed or this person legally shouldnt be covering for her anyway/give her the option of hiding....confusing to think about & hard apply concise labels to some relationships & situational dynamics in life sometimes.

A variation of this thought that bothers me... would the person with Mollie right now be absolutely terrified that what they’ve done could be construed as kidnapping? Did the coverage blow this all out of proportion to the point that this is the reason this isn’t already resolved?

 

[spiritkiss]

Just curious why many members keep mentioning the red shirt.

Didn’t Mollie’s own mother tell the Daily Mail that Mollie only owned two of those red shirts, both of which were NOT missing?

Mother of missing Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts says she does not believe she returned home | Daily Mail Online

Yes and that exact news article stated that they did not locate any of the running cloths she was thought to be wearing for her run. That she found two red shirts but couldn't be sure that there wasn't a third. From that article it seems she went missing during her run or after getting home from her run before changing or showering. It explains the dogs, what kind and when they are in basement and when they are not. Great news article IF it is all correct info.

 

[1987]

I feel likely there are more cctv cameras than are known about. police may or may not know about. I am in a small town and I have cctv and I know at least three others on my 1/2 mile street that have them. crime isn't always what leads to getting them. my first was to watch my livestock with. neighbor that does not have cctv had a car broken into. they called and ask what I seen. I lied to them and this is why, it was their son that broke into his own car, I didn't need in the middle of that, I also didn't need someone like that knowing what my cameras can or can not see. if police had ask I would have told them, or showed them, but to just say hey I have this is going to take a lot for me to just step up and say, it lets people know too much about you, if shown publicly it could let the wrong people know where your security holes are and every system has them. if you give access to your dvr then you also give access to every step you have made and some have cameras inside their house that record to same dvr, not that they are doing anything wrong, just privacy. also if cameras are connected to a ip anyone that knows their ip and passcode can look at them from anywhere. they can be used for good and bad and they can be disabled remotely if they are ip connected.

 

[MntnHiker]

There was a post at least a couple threads ago that I thought had some good ideas and I forget who posted it. But the person had mentioned rural mail carriers (or people like mail carriers in general) knowing the ins and outs of who lives where, who is gone, who normally has cars at home, etc. I think this is an interesting line of thought to consider. We have seen it happen before with a delivery person who came back to their route to attack.

If it's not someone MT knew well, I could see this being a really good possibility, even more so than a totally random outsider. Someone who is in the community or maybe lives in a nearby community but has regular business here. Someone like a delivery person or mail person (note, I am NOT accusing MT's mail person!) that would notice the comings and goings of residents, when cars that are normally at home are not, that kind of thing. Someone who may have seen Mollie when they were doing whatever their business is but may have never even spoken to her or just in passing "hi" kind of a thing. I am assuming LE has already questioned folks like the regular mail person, delivery drivers, etc that would have a reason to frequent the BF's house and her running route, but just a thought.

 

[clearskies1]

A variation of this thought that bothers me... would the person with Mollie right now be absolutely terrified that what they’ve done could be construed as kidnapping? Did the coverage blow this all out of proportion to the point that this is the reason this isn’t already resolved?

I really doubt that. The longer it goes on the worse it would get for any such person.

 

[who knew?]

(Hi Foxfire!)
(Our Late Great Foxfire volunteered with CUE)

Which brings me back to Hilton. An insightful poster mentioned GH abducting a jogger on a trail, iirc...I’d like to look at GH to see where he took his victims, how far etc, if not killing them there at the abduction location.

Foxfire, and also NSC who is no longer on WS.