ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 21

[mayhem911]

Big news I took away from News Nation special tonight on the scene in Idaho is that they appeared to all but confirm each bedroom in the house likely had a lock. Does this mean the killer knew the code to the bedroom?? Does this mean that the locks were in use that particular night?? Does this explain why there was an unconscious person reported on the initial 911 call because the doors to their rooms were locked?? We don't know so best just to wait until LE develops the picture of what they think occurred that night.

 

[Dysfunkshun]

I have always been open to the idea that there was more than one attacker, one of the main things that argued against it was the implication that there was one weapon used for all the injuries. Mind you, just an implication I got from some of the early statements by the coroner and even the singular use of the word weapon in the MPD Press Briefing.

But I did notice today that on the 20th, they specifically changed their language from "the weapon has not been found" to "no weapon has been located".

The only reason I tend to think it’s a single perpetrator is because loose lips sink ships. If more than one were involved, someone would’ve opened their trap by now.

 

[KPO]

Hi all, I believe this is only the 2nd case I’ve commented on in a number of years, I’m usually reading from the sidelines however wanted to get involved with this one as it’s so perplexing. I’m in Australia and trying to keep up with this fast moving thread with the time difference is near impossible so please let me start by apologising if I’m going back over things already discussed.

A couple of things…

Firstly, I’ve seen conflicting reports that they were all attacked as they slept but also the Xana (unable to comment on others) had defensive wounds - both can’t be true. Im completely baffled as to how someone could be stabbed multiple times while in the bed next to you yet you don’t wake up so I would believe he was attacked first and she woke and tried to defend herself.

This then brings me to the fathers comment about the perpetrator not having to go up the stairs. Could it be that Ethan was the target and attacked first before Xana awoke and as a result she was also killed. One of the girls upstairs (M or K) possibly heard the commotion and woke up and the killer realised they heard/saw and went upstairs to ensure no witnesses. This to me falls in line with the dads comment about the individual not having to go upstairs, as in, he had killed his target and the witness and had no need to go upstairs *but* the girls woke up. Or something like that.

I also found Kaylee’s dads attitude in that same interview towards E and A a little odd, cold even. I understand what he said about not wanting to speak of another parents child and that M was most likely like his own, however he even seemed dismissive when the reporter almost corrected him to bring E and A into the conversation as victims. Grief is a complex thing, and I’m likely reading too much into it but that attitude along with his comment about not having to go upstairs left me with the feeling that he believes that E and/or A were the intended targets and M and K were caught up in the crossfire so to speak. I know there’s been a lot of comments about him maybe getting at his daughter being the target but I can see it as the other way round and thought I’d share as another point of view.

As for the comment about different means of death between K and M, I took that as him meaning one was attacked more aggressively than the other and to link that with my theory above, maybe one of the girls fought back harder or maybe only one of them woke to the commotion downstairs and the killer was dealing with someone awake and on high alert vs someone still sleeping or only just having woken up as the attack on the 2 girls began.

My thought is that the perp came in via the sliding door on level 2, went straight into where E and A were sleeping, went to leave and heard one or both of the girls upstairs and attacked them once they realised the girls could potentially ID them.

HOWEVER, in saying all of that, I do feel like given the time that has passed without a POI or arrest, coupled with the choice of murder weapon and the fact that no one has come forward as having significant injuries to their hands/arms which I’d expect with this type of crime, it’s leaning towards someone who has done this before or at least has some time of background in weapons handling, etc. I can’t imagine how an individual that’s never killed before just picks up such a weapon and murders 4 people so easily without themselves being injured or leaving a mass of evidence. I know there were earlier reports that the perp had been sloppy but if they were that inexperienced I would think they would have been arrested by now. Earlier posts about the person possibly wearing non slip gloves just makes the whole thing even creepier to me as that would take a whole other level of pre-meditation IMO.

All my own opinions based on info from MSM, WS and personal theories.

He has permission from Maddie's parents to speak on their behalf. It does sound strange when he talks about wanting justice for K&M and then his wife says "and the other 2". IMO, he is trying to respect boundaries because he is handling the case differently than the other families. It does come across a little cold but these questions aren't scripted and he doesn't have the answers planned in advance. He's a grieving father not a politician so I don't think anything of it.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Ok, I am intrigued! Could you possibly share where you saw the potentially triggering item?

nope. I kept it very vague because it's only my opinion, no basis in fact, and I do not want to cause the mods any trouble or cause any more pain to any family/friends reading here by posting what could be a hurtful scenario that's just a product of my imagination.

 

[layer]

The only reason I tend to think it’s a single perpetrator is because loose lips sink ships. If more than one were involved, someone would’ve opened their trap by now.

True. Maybe they have, that's how the Manson killers got caught.

 

[CeeMDubs]

I was unable to watch the Brian Entin update. I am a little confused over where Kaylee and Maddie were found.

Did he indicate conclusively that the girls were found together? (Beyond speculation from Kaylee’s dad?) If so, did he also say they were in the upstairs room with the slider? I’m thinking maybe Maddie recently moved into Kaylee’s old room.

 

[layer]

Big news I took away from News Nation special tonight on the scene in Idaho is that they appeared to all but confirm each bedroom in the house likely had a lock. Does this mean the killer knew the code to the bedroom??

Did they confirm that they were coded locks? Gah, I'm just going to have to stop reading and typing and go see for myself.

 

[HL79]

IMO I think the killer knew the other two 1st floor roommates were out of town. Maybe he heard that earlier that week. Had no reason to go downstairs. IMO K was the intended target so he started on the 2nd floor because he wanted to make sure X and E weren’t alerted. Quickly killed them and proceeded to make his way to the 3rd floor. IMO maybe K wasn’t in her room so he went into M’s room where he found them both. Killed M and K woke when he started to stab her so the killer became triggered further resulting in overkill. This is just MOI and nothing more. Hope this is solved soon.

 

[drmrgrl]

Three years ago, when I was a junior in college, a freshman was stabbed to death near campus. Because it happened in a public area and not on-campus, there was nothing the university realistically could have done to prevent it and therefore they weren’t liable. The only real impact the murder had on the university was allowing students flexibility to defer final exams until the following semester and making more counseling resources available for those affected. Since the victims in this case were murdered in an off-campus residence, there’s nothing the university can be faulted for. JMO.

Unless……somebody at the U was made aware of a situation and didn’t do anything about it.-goes back to “mandated reporting”

 

[Snoop Sister]

@whirrledpeas : You're still my hero.

So the point about K being targeted but them sleeping in M's room that Banfield stated might make this even more convoluted....I have to disagree. My thought is that there was probably some ambient light in the room. This house was full of fairy lights and a few neon type signs. I'd also argue that although both blonde....M is more petite than K and could definitely be rather easy to tell apart, especially after the attack started. I think this guy (yes, in my opinion...guy) has definitely been in the house or kept really close tabs on it. He knew where he was going....although he may have checked K's room first, found it empty, then straight to M's room.

This brings me back to my initial thought of K being targeted...her and M killed upstairs and that E and X heard a commotion and were attacked while he was getting out of the house. I'd be surprised if we later find that E and X were indeed NOT in their beds.....found or attacked in.

I couldn’t agree more on all your points. M is considerably smaller than K and it would be easy to tell the difference. Especially if there were fairy lights in the room, or he had his own light source or perhaps he brazenly turned on the bedroom light. For the killer to kill all four, there must have been a light source.
I agree I think that either X or E heard a commotion and acted on it. Probably E and thus was slaughtered. X had to be then taken out as well.
All my opinion only

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I lean that way as well. Because this was so unexpected, but also targeted planned and brutal, it seems like something abnormal in the suspects head about the targeted victim. Something about the killing seems like it's by a man and on account of her gender: femicide.

At some point, they could have crossed paths. Sometimes that's all that is needed to attract the attention of someone with femicide tendencies.

do you think it was online or irl or both, his zoning in on her? did you review all of the photos on ig and see anything you think might have triggered in your opinion (I ask b/c you obvs bring the credentials, so your opinion is valuable).

 

[Kathykikicat]

Big news I took away from News Nation special tonight on the scene in Idaho is that they appeared to all but confirm each bedroom in the house likely had a lock. Does this mean the killer knew the code to the bedroom?? Does this mean that the locks were in use that particular night?? Does this explain why there was an unconscious person reported on the initial 911 call because the doors to their rooms were locked?? We don't know so best just to wait until LE develops the picture of what they think occurred that night.

I think maybe M and K would leave door to bedroom open so the dog could access water etc.?

 

[layer]

Did he indicate conclusively that the girls were found together? (Beyond speculation from Kaylee’s dad?)

If his source wasn't directly from LE it couldn't really be conclusive. JMHO

 

[warbuckle]

Okay it’s over, Brian did not confirm where he received the information I was live posting. I will post a link once it’s up if no one else has.

Based on the previously interviewed with K parents it seems like the dad didn’t want to be the one to give out this information so he told the reporter and the reporter did it. I feel like it was the same info K’s was trying to say but held back.

 

[otto]

Hi all, I believe this is only the 2nd case I’ve commented on in a number of years, I’m usually reading from the sidelines however wanted to get involved with this one as it’s so perplexing. I’m in Australia and trying to keep up with this fast moving thread with the time difference is near impossible so please let me start by apologising if I’m going back over things already discussed.

A couple of things…

Firstly, I’ve seen conflicting reports that they were all attacked as they slept but also the Xana (unable to comment on others) had defensive wounds - both can’t be true. Im completely baffled as to how someone could be stabbed multiple times while in the bed next to you yet you don’t wake up so I would believe he was attacked first and she woke and tried to defend herself.

This then brings me to the fathers comment about the perpetrator not having to go up the stairs. Could it be that Ethan was the target and attacked first before Xana awoke and as a result she was also killed. One of the girls upstairs (M or K) possibly heard the commotion and woke up and the killer realised they heard/saw and went upstairs to ensure no witnesses. This to me falls in line with the dads comment about the individual not having to go upstairs, as in, he had killed his target and the witness and had no need to go upstairs *but* the girls woke up. Or something like that.

I also found Kaylee’s dads attitude in that same interview towards E and A a little odd, cold even. I understand what he said about not wanting to speak of another parents child and that M was most likely like his own, however he even seemed dismissive when the reporter almost corrected him to bring E and A into the conversation as victims. Grief is a complex thing, and I’m likely reading too much into it but that attitude along with his comment about not having to go upstairs left me with the feeling that he believes that E and/or A were the intended targets and M and K were caught up in the crossfire so to speak. I know there’s been a lot of comments about him maybe getting at his daughter being the target but I can see it as the other way round and thought I’d share as another point of view.

As for the comment about different means of death between K and M, I took that as him meaning one was attacked more aggressively than the other and to link that with my theory above, maybe one of the girls fought back harder or maybe only one of them woke to the commotion downstairs and the killer was dealing with someone awake and on high alert vs someone still sleeping or only just having woken up as the attack on the 2 girls began.

My thought is that the perp came in via the sliding door on level 2, went straight into where E and A were sleeping, went to leave and heard one or both of the girls upstairs and attacked them once they realised the girls could potentially ID them.

HOWEVER, in saying all of that, I do feel like given the time that has passed without a POI or arrest, coupled with the choice of murder weapon and the fact that no one has come forward as having significant injuries to their hands/arms which I’d expect with this type of crime, it’s leaning towards someone who has done this before or at least has some time of background in weapons handling, etc. I can’t imagine how an individual that’s never killed before just picks up such a weapon and murders 4 people so easily without themselves being injured or leaving a mass of evidence. I know there were earlier reports that the perp had been sloppy but if they were that inexperienced I would think they would have been arrested by now. Earlier posts about the person possibly wearing non slip gloves just makes the whole thing even creepier to me as that would take a whole other level of pre-meditation IMO.

All my own opinions based on info from MSM, WS and personal theories.

Where I get stuck with the father claiming that the third floor victims had a different "manner or death" is with formal legal language. Reporters should know the difference between manner and cause of death classifications. They should have set that straight from the beginning of the interview. Instead, they appear to not understand that what he's saying doesn't make sense.

Both third floor victims' manner of death is homicide. Difference in cause of homicide deaths might mean one died instantly because of knife injury to vital organ and the other bled out.

... no "means of death"

 

[WildWest]

Just my guess & MOO but I think K’s dad is Brian’s source. K’s dad basically said the same (about K & M’s injuries) in an interview last night

x2, the Fox interview last night could very well be "his source".

 

[Wallendo]

Most keypad locks lock automatically. The leasing company, as well as subcontractors such as exterminators would likely have access to the codes.

The apparent fact that X’s lock needed to be “fixed” suggests that there may have been issues of some sort with persons getting into X’s room.

 

[dubster]

Surviving roommates finally speakout this was from newsnation tonight

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7173497232346418437

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Three years ago, when I was a junior in college, a freshman was stabbed to death near campus. Because it happened in a public area and not on-campus, there was nothing the university realistically could have done to prevent it and therefore they weren’t liable. The only real impact the murder had on the university was allowing students flexibility to defer final exams until the following semester and making more counseling resources available for those affected. Since the victims in this case were murdered in an off-campus residence, there’s nothing the university can be faulted for. JMO.

IMO that's a pretty broad statement. I'd go back and look at @10ofRods summary of things that could play into a civil suit. also, the empty chair link I posted earlier s/b considered.

 

[EmmieA]

IMO I think the killer knew the other two 1st floor roommates were out of town. Maybe he heard that earlier that week. Had no reason to go downstairs. IMO K was the intended target so he started on the 2nd floor because he wanted to make sure X and E weren’t alerted. Quickly killed them and proceeded to make his way to the 3rd floor. IMO maybe K wasn’t in her room so he went into M’s room where he found them both. Killed M and K woke when he started to stab her so the killer became triggered further resulting in overkill. This is just MOI and nothing more. Hope this is solved soon.

Why wouldn’t you kill your intended target first? You don’t know how much time you have in that house.

MOO