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Oh wouldn’t that be devastating, if they responded to the wrong disturbance. Though understandable, I’m gonna pray that’s not the situation.3:01 “time of report” to Taylor / Band Field, and a officer body-cam has a time stamp of earlier, 2:54. This appears to indicate it’s a vicinity location and not exact. No block is even given. The officer on Band Field almost indicates he wasn’t the responding officer for the call, although I could be wrong. I’m still suspicious of the outgoing call to 911 (or non-emergency) since it likely tells us exactly what prompted the phone call. Was it a suspicious vehicle or person? Was it a credible tip? Did patrol officers (unfortunately) tie up this log to the kids on Band Field, whilst something was going on at 1122?
I’ve been really bothered by the positioning of the house in relation to its surroundings. It almost looks like a “jewel box” sitting up on display. Especially with blinds open & lights on. I imagine I would have felt “on display” in it. Perhaps hindsight influences my impression, but I don’t really question how this house could have easily been targeted.It's really creepy to follow the Google street view around and realize how often you can see that house from various vantage points.
That was tacked on at the end. Everything else referenced driver and occupants. My guess is the car was stolen, but police don't want to give that away.See my bolded part of the quote above. BBM (red for "own")
If you know of or own a vehicle matching this description, or know of anyone who may have been driving this vehicle on the days preceding or the day of the murders, please forward that information to the Tip Line.
If the car was stolen, the plate that was on the car might very well not have been the plate that belonged on the car.Maybe, but then why wouldn't they know what the license plate is? They say it's 'unknown'.
They also say: "If you know of or own a vehicle matching this description..." in the press release you've linked to.
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Father wants more information released. Defense will make plans to have this trial moved away from Moscow. Amount of information released can impact the time it will take to form an inpartial jury.Father of murdered Idaho student retains lawyer and may sue police
Father of murdered Idaho student retains lawyer and may sue police
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One of the reasons 2011 and 2016 Hyundai Elantras are popular with car thieves (besides being easy to start without a key) is because of the VIN locations which are quite easy to locate and change. You wouldn't even need to get underneath the vehicle.This is not as easy as switching license plates. VIN numbers exist in multiple areas on a vehicle from doors to the actual frame of the car and it's almost impossible to get them all.
While not verified by the admins (so take it with whatever gain of salt you wish), I do a fair amount of VIN verifications for abandoned vehicles for a PD here in Idaho so it's not unusual to have to crawl under a car to get that information.
In my opinion, it's a witness they are trying to locate. Most of the time a driver, while aware of items around them, might not be aware of their importance. So I think the cops a) know that the driver was in the area to witness something they need corroborated by testimony but b) the driver is not aware of its importance to call in themselves.What‘s everyone’s thoughts?
If this car is directly related to the murders, was it stolen or borrowed to commit this specific murder? For another reason like house robberies and murder ended up being committed?
Revenge, rejection murders? Obsession with one or more of house occupants, ends in murder and cover up? Envy rage murders, occupants targeted but not known to killer/s?
There is a murderer, and an accomplice who didn’t enter the house? There is more than one killer who committed the murders?
Did the murderer get a ride off someone who hasn’t come forward for reasons unknown? They weren’t aware of what their passenger had done? They don’t believe this person could be the killer so didn’t contact LE they were in the area?
This car ends up not being related to the murders?
No, it isn't a crime to be unconscious. However, it is a crime to be drinking underage. And it is not allowed to be drinking on campus. I am familiar with the Clery Act. My real point in posting the incident above is to show that possibly students are still going about the risky behavior of drinking to unconsciousness even in the midst of the fear that is gripping many in the city. And, is that a result of lax handling of alcohol-related incidents?Are all these people being charged with something? Is it a crime to be unconscious or very drunk? I don't think it is, if one isn't driving or operating machinery or being disorderly. If it's not a crime, then there would be no Clery Act requirement for the University to put this information up in their crime tallies.
I posted a link to the Clery Act page of U of I a couple of days ago, but one can find it on their own by going to the U of I Webpage, and clicking on the "About" tab, IIRC and it's there somewhere. I'll try and find it again when I have a chance.
Last eve on the previous thread, OTTO wrote two very interesting possibilities. ETOD could have been based upon a Fitbit watch, which recorded increased heart activity - before stopping completely. This is beyond fascinating (if this is factually possible via FitBit), and the infinite applications for such info remains endless. Can anyone confirm or deny this capability on a Fitbit?
In the last paragraph of his post, Otto laid out the scenario of the killer “watching” the house, occupants, party happenings, and bedroom windows prior to the attack. I too, support this possible theory. I believe it’s probable that he may have had a “favorite” spot selected among the brush and trees…where he could remain fully obscured from view. He would merely have to relax and watch the girls finally shut off the lights, before waiting about 30 - and then entering the home via the suspected POE: slider off kitchen. His mind was already set and intent on killing that night and his “plan” fell into place almost exactly as he visualized.
He must feel super-human right now. Riding on a “house of cards” tidal wave of presumed “power” from robbing the most precious commodity humans have: life. Four of them. Vibrant, hopeful, and standing eagerly at the gates of the future…before he effectively wiped them all completely off of the planet.
This is the crime of which nightmares are made. The ones which keep us all awake late at night. The variants and complexities of the crime scene must be simply overwhelming. The LE and CSI’s have an uphill battle and a late start with this total nightmare. My heart goes out to each one. They are working a seemingly impossible case, while climbing insurmountable odds to pursue and uncover the killer. They’ll be in this for the long haul. The odds are in their favor, as long as they never give up.
rsbmThis car ends up not being related to the murders?
Excellent post; thank you.I think it very well could be. If the killer was parked on or in the vicinity of Taylor Ave and the crime scene and drove to the east after the killings, they would come to 95s. There is a gas station on that corner, presumably with cctv. LE provided a grid that covered an area that was all south of Taylor Ave. Why? Normally you center the crime scene in the center of a search grid and work your way out. This seems to indicate that LE knows that the killer escaped in a southerly direction.
I have a hunch that LE watched all the video that passed that gas station between about 3:00 am and 4:00 am that morning and have been able to identify most of the vehicles and interview the owners. All the vehicles that turned north or left on 95 from Taylor Ave have been ruled out and most that turned south into the grid area have been identified. They may have quietly tried to ID this car with no luck before making the description public.
So many puzzling aspects and questions about this case. If the killer was an enraged acquaintance with zero experience, he was incredibly lucky to pull it off this efficiently without leaving behind evidence that points to him immediately. People survive stabbings all the time. The Oregon lady was left for dead after 19 stab wounds and survived. None of these 4 were able to notify anyone or made it far after encountering the killer(s). He had to leave a pair of victims on one floor while he went to the next. So, either he knew exactly where to stab someone lethally (and quickly & quietly) or he hung around until he was sure they were all expired. Not sure the theory about the killer getting away in the white car on police body cam footage is possible because of the timeline we have been given. To date, has anyone confirmed K & M (or anyone for that matter) had any contact with X & E after arriving back around 2 AM?I'd be interested in knowing after someone is arrested, how this all played out but I don't believe it has anything to do with the killer being a dog lover or liking the downstairs occupants better or knowing who called LE to the other incident.
Sometimes the reason has less to do with compassion than timing, circumstances or something else lurking in a mind we'll never understand.
If it does turn out that the car was stolen to commit the murders, then in my opinion, then the murder was done to shut someone up. The additional deaths might be because they eere in the way, or because the target might have shared info with them. Accorfing to family, K was interested in true crime and particularly trafficing. Maybe she helped someone, or learned something. Those aren't the sort of people you want to mess with.What‘s everyone’s thoughts?
If this car is directly related to the murders, was it stolen or borrowed to commit this specific murder? For another reason like house robberies and murder ended up being committed?
Revenge, rejection murders? Obsession with one or more of house occupants, ends in murder and cover up? Envy rage murders, occupants targeted but not known to killer/s?
He hired the wrong attorney and PI if they are not telling him this will not work. He needs to be wary of people telling him what he wants to hear just to take his money. Imo.From the article:
That's not how things work. He does know that right?
I think they're trying to nudge a parent whose kid might be driving a white Elantra belonging to the parents.
I’ve been really bothered by the positioning of the house in relation to its surroundings. It almost looks like a “jewel box” sitting up on display. Especially with blinds open & lights on. I imagine I would have felt “on display” in it. Perhaps hindsight influences my impression, but I don’t really question how this house could have easily been targeted.
they have not mentioned stolen at all, as far as i'm aware.Is LE thinking the car is stolen because the killer switched the license plates? Sorry if this was discussed - I'm way behind, as usual.
One of the first cases I followed here was the disappearance of Lauren Spierer in Indiana. The police released a couple of pictures of a white pickup truck that the wanted to locate that we sleuthed for a really long time. Eventually, the truck and its driver was found and cleared. It wasn’t suspicious at all, just a person out early for work. She has never been found. It isn’t uncommon for them to release things they have no idea about.rsbm
i kind of don't think this will be the case if the police were confident enough to put the information out. They could end up being wrong, of course, but generally i think it will be related in some way. *MOO*