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blackbeary said:
How can someone commit such a gruesome crime, and disappear?
Hopefully some clues to their identity was left at the scene. I remember seeing the CSI team photographing, and moving around something on the living room floor, this was filmed by a news crew?
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I wonder that too, maybe he had an accident and went down a canyon and is dead?
 
PrairieWind said:
I agree in a way. If the killer had been someone known to the victims, a stalker, or someone they had an argument with, it seems those dots would have already been connected. So I am starting to think this was someone more outside of their circle, and maybe got pretty lucky in not leaving a lot of evidence behind.
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"maybe got pretty lucky in not leaving a lot of evidence behind."

This remark reminded me of an article I read in the Guardian's series "How to Solve a Murder."
The one I'm thinking of is about how killers cover up their crimes, but slip up in little ways. Link here: Leaving an invisible trail: how killers cover up their crimes
 
z0mer said:
www.foxnews.com

Idaho murders: White car spotted in footage obtained by police one day after killings

Police obtained neighborhood surveillance footage that captured a white car near where four Idaho college students were murdered just one day after the killings
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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Yes I saw this news story. However, the source cited in the article is the owner of the rental property, who submitted the footage to LE. There is no confirmation from LE that this footage contains images of the vehicle they are interested in. As the article states.

"It's unclear if the white car in Francetich's footage is the same Hyundai Elantra police are trying to track down."
 
We know so little about E and X’s whereabouts that night that I think the police know a lot more about it, and no one is publicly releasing any ‘video’ footage of them, as they have K and M.

They could well have returned home with people. They could have been awake from 1am-3am, for example, in the living room. They could have socialised with K and M when they returned home too, sitting around/eating etc. They could have let people in the through the back, knowing other downstairs house mates might have been in bed. It was a party house after all. There is nothing to say this didn’t happen… that they didn’t all mix and socialise on returning home … and maybe even with other people who they let in (either known well, general a acquaintance or someone they met that night and told them where to find them). What if those people didn’t leave, or pretended to leave. What if they then stayed to commit the crime, in anger / passion / or pre-planned. K, M, X and E could have had a drink spiked to make them drowsy (for example), gone to bed and then been attacked.

they’ve been treated like two separate entities yet there are 4 of them in ONE household, returning home, albeit it separately but to one house!! When there is every chance they were all together later that evening (after they all returned home).

I’m afraid that MSM and Joe Public has more sympathy and interest in two blonde women than a couple. The focus has been on them through bias. It could be linked to anyone of those victims, sadly.

How do we even know M and K made those phone calls to the ex themselves… it could have been the killer.

We basically know nothing.

(That said I did find the locked doors possibility (how would a killer enter and then lock the victims back in) vs friends not phoning 911 immediately to be odd. If they weren’t locked then surely the surviving housemates discovered a crime scene of two victims not one ‘unconscious’ and would have also been concerned about the other housemates in the house. There is absolutely a reason they haven’t released the call.)

(And I do find the dog interesting, not to point any fingers but the dog must have been let out to do it’s business when the girls returned OR it would have been very distressed by midday to have had no human contact and no access to the toilet … even if it wasn’t a barker, I find it hard to imagine a dog not making a fuss eventually by midday… )

MOO
 
Down To Earth said:
<<snipped for focus>>

I guess maybe my question can be boiled down to something like this:
Where does this particular mass murderer fit into society NOW? We aren’t exactly looking for a car or a knife - we’re looking for a human being.
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Good question. IMO plenty of people live their lives without interacting on a regular basis with others and thus could be "hiding in plain sight". Perhaps someone who generally keeps to themselves and either doesn't have anyone in their lives on a regular basis to be paying attention to their behavior/vehicle status/whereabouts at the time of the crimes, or interacts with people who don't scrutinize their behavior or ask questions (e.g., a "don't ask/don't tell" environment). JMO
 
When there is an arrest in this case the defense attorney will pour through ALL of the theories expressed in news media and even SM. IMO the reason there is so much focus on the vehicle at this point is they MUST eliminate any connection of the vehicle to the homicides. All of the tips MUST be eliminated as not credible or credible. IMO if this isn't done the defense attorney team can ask any witness (i.e. investigators), "What about the white Hyundai Officer? Did you investigate that?" If the answer in NO, you have created REASONABLE DOUBT! Every tip must be evaluated as credible or least credible and you go forward from there to best utilize your resources.

Again, IMO the Hyundai is a "red herring" but the lead must be chased down and eliminated or classified as viable.
 
Twistinginthewind said:
Good question. IMO plenty of people live their lives without interacting on a regular basis with others and thus could be "hiding in plain sight". Perhaps someone who generally keeps to themselves and either doesn't have anyone in their lives on a regular basis to be paying attention to their behavior/vehicle status/whereabouts at the time of the crimes, or interacts with people who don't scrutinize their behavior or ask questions (e.g., a "don't ask/don't tell" environment). JMO
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Agree - I speculate that the killer is a very private person. Almost the polar opposite of the victims, who were living much of their lives in the public eye. That doesn't necessarily mean that they live alone, but if they are in a relationship it's likely that their spouse/SO gives them a LOT of space. I think they're employed in a day job that requires them to spend time in other people's homes and that they find most of their work interactions difficult/unpleasant, which solidifies their outsider identity.
 
sleuththesloth said:
We know so little about E and X’s whereabouts that night that I think the police know a lot more about it, and no one is publicly releasing any ‘video’ footage of them, as they have K and M.

They could well have returned home with people. They could have been awake from 1am-3am, for example, in the living room. They could have socialised with K and M when they returned home too, sitting around/eating etc. They could have let people in the through the back, knowing other downstairs house mates might have been in bed. It was a party house after all. There is nothing to say this didn’t happen… that they didn’t all mix and socialise on returning home … and maybe even with other people who they let in (either known well, general a acquaintance or someone they met that night and told them where to find them). What if those people didn’t leave, or pretended to leave. What if they then stayed to commit the crime, in anger / passion / or pre-planned. K, M, X and E could have had a drink spiked to make them drowsy (for example), gone to bed and then been attacked.

they’ve been treated like two separate entities yet there are 4 of them in ONE household, returning home, albeit it separately but to one house!! When there is every chance they were all together later that evening (after they all returned home).

I’m afraid that MSM and Joe Public has more sympathy and interest in two blonde women than a couple. The focus has been on them through bias. It could be linked to anyone of those victims, sadly.

How do we even know M and K made those phone calls to the ex themselves… it could have been the killer.

We basically know nothing.

(That said I did find the locked doors possibility (how would a killer enter and then lock the victims back in) vs friends not phoning 911 immediately to be odd. If they weren’t locked then surely the surviving housemates discovered a crime scene of two victims not one ‘unconscious’ and would have also been concerned about the other housemates in the house. There is absolutely a reason they haven’t released the call.)

(And I do find the dog interesting, not to point any fingers but the dog must have been let out to do it’s business when the girls returned OR it would have been very distressed by midday to have had no human contact and no access to the toilet … even if it wasn’t a barker, I find it hard to imagine a dog not making a fuss eventually by midday… )

MOO
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Just because each door had a combination lock doesn't mean that those locks were engaged. They operate just like any other door handle unless the lever on the inside is flipped, thus locking it.
 
All this talk about college kids and ex's - I'm curious how the handyman/landlord angle has been going in the investigation. Probably too obvious but it's logical. They would know the house that's for sure.
 
jumpingjackflash said:
Agree - I speculate that the killer is a very private person. Almost the polar opposite of the victims, who were living much of their lives in the public eye. That doesn't necessarily mean that they live alone, but if they are in a relationship it's likely that their spouse/SO gives them a LOT of space. I think they're employed in a day job that requires them to spend time in other people's homes and that they find most of their work interactions difficult/unpleasant, which solidifies their outsider identity.
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In terms of them being in "public eye", this example seems so haunting, IMO:

"One of the four University of Idaho students who were brutally stabbed to death posted a heartbreaking message online hours before her death — saying she was “one lucky girl” to spend every day with the close-knit group of friends.

Kaylee Goncalves shared the message on Instagram along with photos of herself surrounded by pals who included Ethan Chapin, 20, Madison Mogen, 21, and Xana Kernodle, 20.

“One lucky girl to be surrounded by these people,” Goncalves said.

Shortly after posting the photo, the 21-year-old was found dead Sunday with Chapin, Mogen and Kernodle in an off-campus home."

University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves shared heartbreaking final post hours before death
 
sleuththesloth said:
We know so little about E and X’s whereabouts that night that I think the police know a lot more about it, and no one is publicly releasing any ‘video’ footage of them, as they have K and M.

They could well have returned home with people. They could have been awake from 1am-3am, for example, in the living room. They could have socialised with K and M when they returned home too, sitting around/eating etc. They could have let people in the through the back, knowing other downstairs house mates might have been in bed. It was a party house after all. There is nothing to say this didn’t happen… that they didn’t all mix and socialise on returning home … and maybe even with other people who they let in (either known well, general a acquaintance or someone they met that night and told them where to find them). What if those people didn’t leave, or pretended to leave. What if they then stayed to commit the crime, in anger / passion / or pre-planned. K, M, X and E could have had a drink spiked to make them drowsy (for example), gone to bed and then been attacked.

they’ve been treated like two separate entities yet there are 4 of them in ONE household, returning home, albeit it separately but to one house!! When there is every chance they were all together later that evening (after they all returned home).

I’m afraid that MSM and Joe Public has more sympathy and interest in two blonde women than a couple. The focus has been on them through bias. It could be linked to anyone of those victims, sadly.

How do we even know M and K made those phone calls to the ex themselves… it could have been the killer.

We basically know nothing.

(That said I did find the locked doors possibility (how would a killer enter and then lock the victims back in) vs friends not phoning 911 immediately to be odd. If they weren’t locked then surely the surviving housemates discovered a crime scene of two victims not one ‘unconscious’ and would have also been concerned about the other housemates in the house. There is absolutely a reason they haven’t released the call.)

(And I do find the dog interesting, not to point any fingers but the dog must have been let out to do it’s business when the girls returned OR it would have been very distressed by midday to have had no human contact and no access to the toilet … even if it wasn’t a barker, I find it hard to imagine a dog not making a fuss eventually by midday… )

MOO
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Maybe they haven't released the 911 call because it contains information only people who've seen the crime scene would know and would hurt the case.

You are so right that they've been treated like separate entities! How strange! Actually, it's odd that the roommates are being left out of our thoughts here too, for the most part.
 
its a stranger homicide or they'd have someone. No way after 4 people get slaughtered and so much public attention they're going to wait to arrest. im leaning to stranger only because the two in the basement didnt get touched so the murder probably didnt know that they were down there probably a creepy neighbor or someone in the neighborhood that they didnt know
 
SMK777 said:
It is still possible that they suspect someone from the inner circle but need more evidence to absolutely secure an arrest and conviction.

I recall reading a book on the Skylar Neese case, and although law enforcement suspected her 2 close friends early on, I was shocked to see what a long drawn out process it was to finally arrest them.
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I have always thought something on the scene that day pointed to a "targeted" attack (the way the murders happened, who received more wrath, a potential "message," etc.) It felt within the inner circle/close to the circle type crime. What I can't understand is this person brutally killed 4 innocent young adults and is still roaming around over a month later. I feel like LE ruling out the reported Elantra (Oregon connection) so quickly might mean they know more about the car than put out to the public. So if LE knows who it is (or has a really good idea who it is), at a bare minimum, I hope he or she is under constant surveillance. JMO - l believe 100% this was a "targeted" attack, but I do think this person is "off the rails" now and a danger to everyone (nothing to lose mentality).
 
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