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I've been following this case since the beginning and the scenario that makes the most sense to me, right now, is that of a scorned ex. Of the 6 people that we know where in the house that night, the 4 that were murdered had something obvious in common. Long-standing, close relationships with one-another. I believe the suspect knew where his intended targets would be sleeping. He waited for them to retreat to their rooms, in order to avoid detection by the a 1st floor (basement) roommates. If you look at the pictures posted earlier, of the floor-plan, you'll see that the stairwell to the 1st floor (basement) is directly off of the living room.

We know that the calls from K to J were in regards to their shared pup... Did J have the dog that night? Was he supposed to drop the dog off but never did and that's reason for the late night calls from K and M? Why would K call J about their dog at that hour unless something was up. Did he refuse to bring the dog back? DId he take the dog while they were out?

We also know from K's parents that she was in town to show M her new car. How did J take this? If what K's parent's have said is true, that K and J had plans to get back together, don't you think it would make sense that K would also be excited to show J, as well?

I've dated a few "nice guys" that turned into complete psychopaths once their insecurities were triggered, or they felt as though they were losing me. Their anger/blame extended to anyone close to me, as they were perceived as a threat.

Obviously, this is all MOO, but I think whoever did was angry at all of the 4 victims, with K being the common denominator.



Got a feeling an ex or something. Only thing those would have in common is them telling one of the girls to leave him because “he’s no good for u” and he somehow found out or assumed it. Triggered him. Just a theory
 
Didn’t realize the quote was plural floor(s). But considering it doesn’t “seem” that the killer ever went to the first floor, there wouldn’t be blood there, so it’s not ridiculous to infer the 3rd floor, although it doesn’t not specifically state that.
 
New member here. I've been reading the posts for awhile, and decided to join. This is such a heartbreaking and puzzling crime. <modsnip> I have a feeling it could be an ex-military person responsible, they seemed to know what they were doing.
It’s certainly someone who’s used a knife in this manner before, whether hunting or in LE/military. It’s hard to imagine a first time, inexperienced killer being able to pull this off at all let alone undetected.
 
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Just analyzing the report of suspicious activity reported prior and after this crime.

Very few prior reports were reported but after this crime, people are reporting more and you can tell they are being a bit more cautious in watching their surroundings. You can feel how this has affected the community with everyone tuning their ears to any sound, possibly feeling unsafe at this time. It is good that they are on alert and reporting suspicious activities.
I feel truly sorry to the community but they can get a baby cam/ip cam on Amazon and set it up at their windows and probably lock their bedrooms with some weapons.

P.S. IMOO, You can also see that some people in the community are also stroking fears on other simply being suspicious at this time after this crime

Prior Suspicious Activities:
Nov 13 (the day of the crime)22-M09896 Alcohol Offense
Incident Address: TAYLOR AVE; Band Field
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT

Time Reported: 03:01
Cad Comments:
Officer requested a case. Report taken
Nov 1122-M09845 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 800 blk S WASHINGTON ST MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 15:31
Cad Comments:
Rp states that 10-15 minutes ago she saw a male trying to dig at a window near the counseling center at this location. No report.
Oct 3022-M09393 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 600 blk HATHAWAY ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 12:54
Cad Comments:
Rp’s wife believes that she is seeing individuals that are threatening the house and Rp does not see anything and Rp would like an officer to come by the house. No report.

22-M09411 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 400 blk N ALMON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 20:40
Cad Comments:
Rp reporting a suspicious vehicle parked at the corner. Officer responded. No report.
Oct 2422-M09202 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 600 S BLAINE ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 17:11
Cad Comments:
Complaint of male at the door asking suspicious questions. Officer responded, no report.


Suspicious Activities Reported after the crime( only few are listed which I felt important and the red font are for interesting reports - one report of someone wearing ski mask on Nov 17):
Nov 14
22-M09933 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: SOUTHVIEW AVE; THE GROVE APTS
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: CLO
Time Reported: 10:00
Cad Comments:
Male outside taking photos of the upper floors. Rp currently watching the male.Male walking east. Officer responded. No report.

22-M09939 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: E B ST & N VAN BUREN ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 13:13
Cad Comments:

Rp states someone knocked on their door and then walked away saying "they have a big dog, try a different house". Officer responded. No report
Nov 15

22-M09961 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address : W PULLMAN RD; UNIVERSITY INN
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition : CLO
Time Reported: 07:25
Cad Comments:
RP states they received a disturbing email.
22-M09970 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address : 300 BLK N GRANT ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition : CLO
Time Reported: 11:29
Cad Comments:

Woman walked into the rps house. Stated that she might have the wrong address
and was a house cleaner. Officer advised. No report.

22-M09988 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address : 1000 BLK NEZ PERCE ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition : CLO
Time Reported: 22:27
Cad Comments:
RP reporting she heard someone knocking on her side door, near where her car is parked. Officer responded, no report.
Nov 16

22-M10008 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: W 3RD ST & S JACKSON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 15:10
Cad Comments:

Last Wednesday (possibly Nov 9th?) around 2015 a vehicle followed the Rp and then blocked the Rp into the parking for a couple of minutes. RP never saw the people in the vehicle. No report.

22-M10011 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 2300 blk WHITE AVE
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 17:13
Cad Comments:

There is a male that has shown up to Rp's apartment multiple times saying that
he works for Ziply. Officers responded. No report.

22-M10025 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1400 blk W A ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 22:44
Cad Comments:

Got DM on Instagram from someone she doesn't know. Sent a message "Be safe out
there". Language barrier. Officer advised. No report.
Nov 17
22-M10030 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: S MAIN ST; IDENTITY
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 03:11
Cad Comments:
Report of male acting strange and throwing things into a dumpster.
Officer responded. No report.
22-M10035 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 400 blk S JEFFERSON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 08:27
Cad Comments:
RP states she thinks someone that has been trying to enter the residence the
past few nights. Would like to talk with an officer. Report taken.
22-M10036 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: TROY RD & S WASHINGTON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 09:14:29
Cad Comments:
Rp states she was followed when walking home from work. Officer made contact. No report.
22-M10045 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1100 blk E 3RD ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 12:22
Cad Comments:
RP could hear someone screaming for help. Officer responded, UTL. No report.

22-M10056 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 2300 blk S MAIN ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 16:42
Cad Comments:
RP reporting suspicious vehicle in the parking lot and a person out digging
in the dirt. Officer responded and contacted subject. No report.

22-M10058 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1000 blk JULIE CT
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 18:06
Cad Comments:

3rd party report of a subject was standing in the culdesac. Wearing a big jacket
and wearing a black ski mask. Officers responded, UTL, no report.
Nov 18
22-M10080 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1100 blk KING RD
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 13:31
Cad Comments:
There is a male at the Rp's address who is knocking, asking to come inside, and
is refusing to leave. Officers responded and subject warned for conduct.
22-M10097 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 500 blk S ALMON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 18:20
Cad Comments:

Rp heard screaming at 18:12 outside her apartment. It sounded muffled.
Officer responded, no report.
22-M10100 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 500 blk STYNER AVE
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 19:09
Cad Comments:

RP said she saw a male wandering around the area that was there on Monday as
well. Officer responded. No report.
Nov 19
22-M10108 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 200 blk SUNRISE DR
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 05:51
Cad Comments:

Caller's doorbell rang a few min ago - vehicle parked outside on the street with its
lights on. No one standing outside on the porch. Officer advised. No report.
Nov 20
22-M10133 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 500 blk IDAHO AVE
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 02:08
Cad Comments:
Rp keeps waking up to noises outside and would like an officer to check the
area.
Officers responded, no report.
22-M10134 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 400 blk VEATCH ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 03:31
Cad Comments:
RP said people went into the apartment above her, then went out of the apartment and stood near the stairs. Officer responded, no report.
These just give me chills. One was on the same road! I absolutely would not be staying there for now
 
I'm kinda reluctant to think the red liquid is blood. I believe it would coagulate before it could get outside.


I live in Texas and insects, air and water do get through the siding space down there. However the only time water has come in is when we have torrential downpours. Hundreds of gallons will shoot out from a downspout and it will back up. Homes in Idaho are likely more airtight than here.
Exactly! Of course, the blood would coagulate within minutes (unless victims were hemophilics), and any notion that human blood soaked a mattress and bedding and then penetrated floors, wallboard, insulation, etc. and presented on the masonry foundation is ludicrous.

An adult will have approximately 1.2-1.5 gallons (or 10 units) of blood in their body.

Seriously, spill a few gallons of any liquid on your floor, and good luck finding it oozing from your walls and staining your foundation! :rolleyes:

Principles of Bloodstain Pattern Analysis​

To understand how analysts interpret bloodstains, one must first understand the basic properties of blood.

Blood contains both liquid (plasma and serum) and solids (red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets and proteins). Blood is in a liquid state when inside the body, and when it exits the body, it does so as a liquid.

But as anyone who has had a cut or a scrape knows, it doesn’t remain a liquid for long. Except for people with hemophilia, blood will begin to clot within a few minutes, forming a dark, shiny gel-like substance that grows more solid as time progresses.

The presence of blood clots in bloodstains can indicate that the attack was prolonged, or that the victim was bleeding for some time after the injury occurred.

Blood can leave the body in many different ways, depending on the type of injury inflicted. It can flow, drip, spray, spurt, gush or just ooze from wounds
 
Exactly! Of course, the blood would coagulate within minutes (unless victims were hemophilics), and any notion that human blood soaked a mattress and bedding and then penetrated floors, wallboard, insulation, etc. and presented on the masonry foundation is ludicrous.

An adult will have approximately 1.2-1.5 gallons (or 10 units) of blood in their body.

Seriously, spill a few gallons of any liquid on your floor, and good luck finding it oozing from your walls and staining your foundation! :rolleyes:

Principles of Bloodstain Pattern Analysis​

To understand how analysts interpret bloodstains, one must first understand the basic properties of blood.

Blood contains both liquid (plasma and serum) and solids (red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets and proteins). Blood is in a liquid state when inside the body, and when it exits the body, it does so as a liquid.

But as anyone who has had a cut or a scrape knows, it doesn’t remain a liquid for long. Except for people with hemophilia, blood will begin to clot within a few minutes, forming a dark, shiny gel-like substance that grows more solid as time progresses.

The presence of blood clots in bloodstains can indicate that the attack was prolonged, or that the victim was bleeding for some time after the injury occurred.

Blood can leave the body in many different ways, depending on the type of injury inflicted. It can flow, drip, spray, spurt, gush or just ooze from wounds
Crucial info. Thank you! The reports of blood on the walls lead me to think that this type of analysis will be important. And time-consuming.
 
Just analyzing the report of suspicious activity reported prior and after this crime.

Very few prior reports were reported but after this crime, people are reporting more and you can tell they are being a bit more cautious in watching their surroundings. You can feel how this has affected the community with everyone tuning their ears to any sound, possibly feeling unsafe at this time. It is good that they are on alert and reporting suspicious activities.
I feel truly sorry to the community but they can get a baby cam/ip cam on Amazon and set it up at their windows and probably lock their bedrooms with some weapons.

P.S. IMOO, You can also see that some people in the community are also stroking fears on other simply being suspicious at this time after this crime

Prior Suspicious Activities:
Nov 13 (the day of the crime)22-M09896 Alcohol Offense
Incident Address: TAYLOR AVE; Band Field
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT

Time Reported: 03:01
Cad Comments:
Officer requested a case. Report taken
Nov 1122-M09845 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 800 blk S WASHINGTON ST MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 15:31
Cad Comments:
Rp states that 10-15 minutes ago she saw a male trying to dig at a window near the counseling center at this location. No report.
Oct 3022-M09393 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 600 blk HATHAWAY ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 12:54
Cad Comments:
Rp’s wife believes that she is seeing individuals that are threatening the house and Rp does not see anything and Rp would like an officer to come by the house. No report.

22-M09411 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 400 blk N ALMON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 20:40
Cad Comments:
Rp reporting a suspicious vehicle parked at the corner. Officer responded. No report.
Oct 2422-M09202 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 600 S BLAINE ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 17:11
Cad Comments:
Complaint of male at the door asking suspicious questions. Officer responded, no report.


Suspicious Activities Reported after the crime( only few are listed which I felt important and the red font are for interesting reports - one report of someone wearing ski mask on Nov 17):
Nov 14
22-M09933 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: SOUTHVIEW AVE; THE GROVE APTS
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: CLO
Time Reported: 10:00
Cad Comments:
Male outside taking photos of the upper floors. Rp currently watching the male.Male walking east. Officer responded. No report.

22-M09939 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: E B ST & N VAN BUREN ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 13:13
Cad Comments:

Rp states someone knocked on their door and then walked away saying "they have a big dog, try a different house". Officer responded. No report
Nov 15

22-M09961 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address : W PULLMAN RD; UNIVERSITY INN
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition : CLO
Time Reported: 07:25
Cad Comments:
RP states they received a disturbing email.
22-M09970 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address : 300 BLK N GRANT ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition : CLO
Time Reported: 11:29
Cad Comments:

Woman walked into the rps house. Stated that she might have the wrong address
and was a house cleaner. Officer advised. No report.

22-M09988 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address : 1000 BLK NEZ PERCE ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition : CLO
Time Reported: 22:27
Cad Comments:
RP reporting she heard someone knocking on her side door, near where her car is parked. Officer responded, no report.
Nov 16

22-M10008 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: W 3RD ST & S JACKSON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 15:10
Cad Comments:

Last Wednesday (possibly Nov 9th?) around 2015 a vehicle followed the Rp and then blocked the Rp into the parking for a couple of minutes. RP never saw the people in the vehicle. No report.

22-M10011 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 2300 blk WHITE AVE
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 17:13
Cad Comments:

There is a male that has shown up to Rp's apartment multiple times saying that
he works for Ziply. Officers responded. No report.

22-M10025 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1400 blk W A ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 22:44
Cad Comments:

Got DM on Instagram from someone she doesn't know. Sent a message "Be safe out
there". Language barrier. Officer advised. No report.
Nov 17
22-M10030 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: S MAIN ST; IDENTITY
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 03:11
Cad Comments:
Report of male acting strange and throwing things into a dumpster.
Officer responded. No report.
22-M10035 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 400 blk S JEFFERSON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 08:27
Cad Comments:
RP states she thinks someone that has been trying to enter the residence the
past few nights. Would like to talk with an officer. Report taken.
22-M10036 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: TROY RD & S WASHINGTON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 09:14:29
Cad Comments:
Rp states she was followed when walking home from work. Officer made contact. No report.
22-M10045 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1100 blk E 3RD ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 12:22
Cad Comments:
RP could hear someone screaming for help. Officer responded, UTL. No report.

22-M10056 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 2300 blk S MAIN ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 16:42
Cad Comments:
RP reporting suspicious vehicle in the parking lot and a person out digging
in the dirt. Officer responded and contacted subject. No report.

22-M10058 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1000 blk JULIE CT
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 18:06
Cad Comments:

3rd party report of a subject was standing in the culdesac. Wearing a big jacket
and wearing a black ski mask. Officers responded, UTL, no report.
Nov 18
22-M10080 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 1100 blk KING RD
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 13:31
Cad Comments:
There is a male at the Rp's address who is knocking, asking to come inside, and
is refusing to leave. Officers responded and subject warned for conduct.
22-M10097 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 500 blk S ALMON ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 18:20
Cad Comments:

Rp heard screaming at 18:12 outside her apartment. It sounded muffled.
Officer responded, no report.
22-M10100 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 500 blk STYNER AVE
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 19:09
Cad Comments:

RP said she saw a male wandering around the area that was there on Monday as
well. Officer responded. No report.
Nov 19
22-M10108 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 200 blk SUNRISE DR
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 05:51
Cad Comments:

Caller's doorbell rang a few min ago - vehicle parked outside on the street with its
lights on. No one standing outside on the porch. Officer advised. No report.
Nov 20
22-M10133 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 500 blk IDAHO AVE
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 02:08
Cad Comments:
Rp keeps waking up to noises outside and would like an officer to check the
area.
Officers responded, no report.
22-M10134 Suspicious Person/Circumstance
Incident Address: 400 blk VEATCH ST
MOSCOW ID 83843
Disposition: ACT
Time Reported: 03:31
Cad Comments:
RP said people went into the apartment above her, then went out of the apartment and stood near the stairs. Officer responded, no report.
MOO, but a couple of points I’m make.

First, “unconscious” is the word commonly entered in the MPD Daily Activity Logs.

Second, I’ve been reading them for years & we get a lot of weird service calls. This is a college town.

What I can confidently state is that calls ~dramatically increased~ following the first presser. After many students & residents fled town.

MOO - I’ll always wonder what tips might have come in had the presser happened earlier. I don’t know why calls didn’t dramatically increase on the days before the presser.
 
How do we know that they had a dog? Was that mentioned somewhere? I found the listing for the rental property and it specifically said “no pets”. I did see a dog in one of the girl’s TikTok videos. But do we know for sure there was an actual dog living full time in the house with them.
 
How do we know that they had a dog? Was that mentioned somewhere? I found the listing for the rental property and it specifically said “no pets”. I did see a dog in one of the girl’s TikTok videos. But do we know for sure there was an actual dog living full time in the house with them.
Dog lived there!
 
How do we know that they had a dog? Was that mentioned somewhere? I found the listing for the rental property and it specifically said “no pets”. I did see a dog in one of the girl’s TikTok videos. But do we know for sure there was an actual dog living full time in the house with them.
Please look at the media page for this case. The dog stuff is well covered there. The dog was there and is now safe.
 
This was probably the guys first kill. Maybe he was just watching them, noticed that they all went to sleep, and saw that the door was open so he went to kitchen and grabbed a knife. The multiple stab wounds indicate this guy had no experience and was just frantically stabbing. Something made him snap that day and one thing evolved to another. There was some kind of rage that led the person to do it with a house full of people. A triggering event.
I don’t believe they would have used a knife there unless the victims had a K-Bar knife and left it in plain sight. They are looking for that specific type of weapon because at autopsy when looking at the wounds there was likely bruising in where the crossbar stopped and was surrounding the wound. I believe Xana’s father said she had bruising with tearing in the wound which he called defensive wounds.
 
I don’t believe they would have used a knife there unless the victims had a K-Bar knife and left it in plain sight. They are looking for that specific type of weapon because at autopsy when looking at the wounds there was likely bruising in where the crossbar stopped and was surrounding the wound. I believe Xana’s father said she had bruising with tearing in the wound which he called defensive wounds.
The KABAR style has a jagged top.
 
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These just give me chills. One was on the same road! I absolutely would not be staying there for now
Agreed! The only thing that makes me feel better (? Maybe not the best choice of words) is that I imagine press has descended on Moscow like a plague, and I bet there are a lot of weird and aggressive people lurking around.

However the unknown “be safe out there” insta post really creeps me out for some reason.
 
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