Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #48

[CSIDreamer]

IMO, there is quite alot of evidence of ineffective counsel without Lori having to say anything at all

She says it best when she says nothing at all. Jmo

 

[mickey2942]

So far, I am very impressed with the timeliness of the court system in the State of Idaho, even with the pandemic. They are moving forward fairly quickly with every thing on schedule.

This situation is obviously fast tracked. It is big, and I believe that the prosecution has a lot of evidence that we have not seen yet.

 

[wenwe4]

FWIW, I also do not understand LVD and CD putting all JJV and TR's things in a storage locker. It does not really get rid of the things and it does not support the children being "safe somewhere else." It almost preserves evidence against them. Were they going to sell the things later? Stop paying for the locker? What were they thinking? It really ties them to the things and creates a lot of evidence- getting the locker, access to it, monthly billing, etc.

IIRC the storage unit place told Nate Eaton to let LVD know she still owed fees on the locker (back in January ish).

 

[Pianoturtle]

not sure how you ever completely avoid LVD or CD later trying to claim ineffective assistance of counsel- wonder if she would say that her atty told her "not to appear in Court" or that he failed to inform her of a court date or something like that. wonder if he actually has her signing documents saying that he told her about the prelim and she decided not to appear. Imagine her easily turning on an atty, IMO. Apart from that, if he used to represent her husband, even if they both agree to his representing her now, could one of them later find another document, proceeding, finding, interest, etc., and claim that it was not cured by their agreement? Does anyone think their marriage was just to avoid testifying against each other? Up until now, I imagined they had some feelings for each other, but is this entire murder extravaganza all about the $$$?

A couple weeks ago here in Colorado, Leticia Stauch waived her appearance at a status conference for July 17. The “register of actions June 24 to July 20” states that that “Ms. Stauch refused to come to court because her attorney told her she didn’t have to.” It sounded horrible, like she decided on a whim to refuse to go.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/ROA JUNE 24 TO JULY 20 2020.pdf


But on July 24 the court uploaded “motion to waive Leticia Stauch’s appearance” which had been filed on July 16, the day before the court appearance in question.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/D-17 Motioin to Waive Stauch Appearance for SDT Return July 17 2020.pdf

So regardless of LVD’s reason for not appearing, I’m guessing appropriate paperwork was filed and she cannot later claim ignorance.

 

[Sorelle19]

Was anyone else struck at how little "stuff" was in that locker? Since no other belongings were mentioned to be found elsewhere, I assume that was all of what JJ & Tylee had at the time of their death. Maybe it says more about me than them, but my 7-year-old and 16-year-old would have a hella more than that. And I am not a hoarder. Just clothes alone would be several boxes for each child, books, toys & hobbies, keepsakes, stuffed animals, sports equipment, etc. I know Lori moved a lot and that definitely makes you travel light. And I know "things" don't bring you happiness but to me it is a sign of the life the kids led...very few things that showed they were engage in the normal activities of life. JMO

Actually, LE stated in their initial charges that Lori left behind a whole bunch of stuff in the condo unit in Rexburg when she fled to Hawaii. Would assume some of the kids stuff was there as well. I always saw the storage unit as a memento dump. BTW, this begs the question: who did she think was going to clean out her condo in Rexburg, and who ultimately did clean it out? Where did THAT stuff go????

 

[mommacass]

Actually, LE stated in their initial charges that Lori left behind a whole bunch of stuff in the condo unit in Rexburg when she fled to Hawaii. Would assume some of the kids stuff was there as well. I always saw the storage unit as a memento dump. BTW, this begs the question: who did she think was going to clean out her condo in Rexburg, and who ultimately did clean it out? Where did THAT stuff go????

I cannot say what the status is now, but...this is dated back in February 2020, from East Idaho News. Follow the attached link to read the whole article. Here is a snippet: “…Due to lack of payment, the storage unit and all its contents are considered abandoned. The items are being held at the business pending the outcome of a police investigation, but will ultimately be returned to extended family members…”

Lori Daybell abandoned a storage unit in Rexburg full of children's items | East Idaho News

 

[887sMtreme]

DBM Posted to wrong comment

 

[887sMtreme]

<Respectfully snipped for focus> I watched the entire OJ trial.

If you just watched the OJ trial, tell me if I’m right that the prosecution never brought up the fact that wet leather shrinks when it dries, making the spectacle of OJ trying on the originally soggy leather glove found behind the pool house irrelevant. (“If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit!) That’s been bugging me for years.

 

[887sMtreme]

IMO, there is quite alot of evidence of ineffective counsel without Lori having to say anything at all

Agree. This trial so far has “building up to appeals” written all over it. The judge appears to be aware of that and is providing whatever guidance he is allowed to the principals.

 

[mickey2942]

If you just watched the OJ trial, tell me if I’m right that the prosecution never brought up the fact that wet leather shrinks when it dries, making the spectacle of OJ trying on the originally soggy leather glove found behind the pool house irrelevant. (“If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit!) That’s been bugging me for years.

I don't exactly remember, but on CourtTV they are actually showing the entire OJ trial right now. I caught some last night.

If they did, it was lost after the drama of OJ "struggling" to get his hand in the glove.

 

[Forever Young]

If you just watched the OJ trial, tell me if I’m right that the prosecution never brought up the fact that wet leather shrinks when it dries, making the spectacle of OJ trying on the originally soggy leather glove found behind the pool house irrelevant. (“If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit!) That’s been bugging me for years.

Totally agree and have been saying the same thing since the day it happened! I worked in womens retail at the time and we all knew that leather will shrink when wet, and stretch right back out when you squeeze yourself into it. First learned about with huarache sandals in the 1970s.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

The storage unit was rented under the name "Lori Ryan" immediately after JJ was murdered. What is significant about the material in the unit is that the bulk of it is identifiable as being associated with JJ and Tylee. I believe that Chad and Lori did not want to be seen disposing of such items at that time, so the plan was to leave them in the unit for possibly years and then have them confiscated and destroyed by an unwitting unit manager, long after the world had forgotten the children.

With the children's personal items out of sight, they could continue with the "we won't tell you where they are to protect them" charade. What they didn't count on was LE interest in the children, an expired credit card, and a storage unit manager who smelled a rat.

 

[887sMtreme]

Totally agree and have been saying the same thing since the day it happened! I worked in womens retail at the time and we all knew that leather will shrink when wet, and stretch right back out when you squeeze yourself into it. First learned about with huarache sandals in the 1970s.

Yes! I’m so glad I’m not the only voice howling into the wind about this. You might get lucky if you squeeze back into a wet glove while it’s still wet, or has been rewetted, then you wear the dang thing until it dries to your size. You outta luck if it’s been sitting with other evidence for over a year. Another thing to hold against the horrible prosecution team in that trial.

Yikes. I should have marked this Off-Topic from the get-go. My apologies.

 

[Tortoise]

Another State subpoena served today for CD's prelim-

Police Forensic Services

07/29/2020 Subpoena
Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

Yes! I’m so glad I’m not the only voice howling into the wind about this. You might get lucky if you squeeze back into a wet glove while it’s still wet, or has been rewetted, then you wear the dang thing until it dries to your size. You outta luck if it’s been sitting with other evidence for over a year. Another thing to hold against the horrible prosecution team in that trial.

Yikes. I should have marked this Off-Topic from the get-go. My apologies.

I watched the whole thing and always thought that was a huge blunder. If you label something "Off Topic" are you allowed to post, or as in this case, ask a question? Because I followed the CA trial but did not know about Websleuths at the time. I tried to read through the pages for the answer to one question but never found it.

 

[Tortoise]

I watched the whole thing and always thought that was a huge blunder. If you label something "Off Topic" are you allowed to post, or as in this case, ask a question? Because I followed the CA trial but did not know about Websleuths at the time. I tried to read through the pages for the answer to one question but never found it.

Not if it's wholly off topic

(see admin note post #10 on page 1 of this thread.)

 

[TheLoadedGoat]

Not if it's wholly off topic

(see admin note post #10 on page 1 of this thread.)

Thanks @Tortoise!

 

[jeni25]

I’m confused on the timing of all the goings on...death, shootings, cookies...

Do we know if CD ever spent time with JV & TR during a “dating period” for the happily little couple?

Also, wonder how much of the conversations about the end and other nonesense the children ever heard the adults discussing with all of the group of MG, MI, LV, CD...
Just pondering if they openly discussed dark, light, Zombies in front of the children?

 

[Spartygirl]

@Spartygirl, that's what I would have thought but why would CourtTV even bring that up unless there was a reason to?

I am not sure.. I will have to go look at the article and read it to see if I can figure it out. The only thing I can think of is because CD lived in Springville Utah at one time.
Will be interesting to find out what all LE has on CD and DVD within all these states they lived in.

 

[Spartygirl]

Frustrating - their website isn't available in Europe!

Here you go

The end is near? Why some Latter-day Saints (hey, it’s in their church’s name) and others think it is.

(Illustration by Christopher Cherrington | The Salt Lake Tribune)

By Peggy Fletcher Stack
· Published: 4 days ago
Updated: 4 days ago
The world was supposed to end Wednesday, a doomsaying Latter-day Saint couple in Idaho predicted, and usher in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

If you’re reading this, however, you know that the Earth continues to turn, with no sign of the Christian Savior.

And the husband and wife, Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow, are in jail, facing charges related to the deaths of Vallow’s two children.

No matter how discredited the Daybells are, though, there are still hundreds if not thousands of Latter-day Saints — and other believers — who are looking for signs of the prophesied apocalypse and insist it is imminent.
Some, in fact, calculate that the end will come sometime in July or August, based on their interpretation of scriptures.
With the global coronavirus shuttering society, the economic meltdown draining finances and protests filling the streets of so many cities — on top of an extraordinary comet streaming across the sky as well as nerve-rattling earthquakes jolting the ground — it is no wonder these studious souls see signs of the end everywhere.

Even without these extraordinary circumstances, the very name of the Utah-based faith — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — proclaims that these are “latter days.”
And church President Russell M. Nelson, though not giving a date, has referenced the Second Coming more than his immediate predecessors.

For her part, Mormon prognosticator Julie Rowe, who lays claim to visionary powers herself, dismisses the Daybell prophecy.

“I’ve asked the Lord over and over, but nothing is coming,” she says in a phone interview. “Chad Daybell is deceived.”

Daybell was Rowe’s publisher and friend for years, but she says he now has given into “lust and greed.”

Standing on prophecy
From its initial moments, Mormonism was built on the foundation of millenarian beliefs, says Christopher Blythe, author of the forthcoming book, “Terrible Revolution: Latter-day Saints and the American Apocalypse.”

In church founder Joseph Smith’s first publicly reported encounter with an otherworldly visitor in 1823, Blythe notes, that Angel Moroni — of Book of Mormon fame — kept the future prophet, seer and revelator up all night, quoting biblical prophecies about end times and saying their fulfillment was at hand.

From that day to this, Blythe says, the church has steadfastly preached that it existed in the “last days,” but the end was always described as a generation or more away.
“Rarely do we have moments where church leaders have said it is just a few years off,” says the scholar, a research associate at Brigham Young University’s Maxwell Institute.

Last year, though, Nelson called the faith’s dedication of a temple in Rome “a hinge point” in church history.

“Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace,” he told the Church News. “The church is going to have an unprecedented future, unparalleled. We’re just building up to what’s ahead now.”

In January, he reiterated that point on his social media accounts, urging members to ponder what the faith’s founding means to them.

“This is a hinge point in the history of the church,” Nelson wrote, “and your part is vital.”

In the church’s April Ensign magazine, Nelson wrote about the return of Jesus.
”We are just building up to the climax of this last dispensation — when the Savior’s Second Coming becomes a reality,” the 95-year-old leader said, reminding the faithful that a “necessary prelude ... is the long-awaited gathering of scattered Israel.”

Nelson then described Christ’s triumphant reign.

“He will govern from two world capitals: one in old Jerusalem and the other in the New Jerusalem ‘built upon the American continent,‘” the Latter-day Saint leader said. “From these centers, he will direct the affairs of his church and kingdom. Another temple will yet be built in Jerusalem. …The earth will be returned to its paradisiacal state and be made new. There will be a new heaven and a new earth.”

Nelson gave no timing for these events, though.

If Latter-day Saints become too zealous in trying to pinpoint dates, Blythe points out, the church “has had a regulating goal of discouraging them from thinking it is right around the corner.”

That hasn’t stopped some members who have had dreams or visions, or spent years trying to piece together scriptural clues, from seeking “safe spaces to have these conversations,” the scholar explains, whether “in small pockets of family members or small like-minded groups.”
And now, more than ever, on the internet.

Mormon country
At first blush, these world watchers appear to be committed Latter-day Saints — loyal to the institution and tradition, says Lindsay Hansen Park, executive director of the Sunstone Education Foundation.

The more radical interpretations of Mormon scripture they embrace are tolerated by local lay leaders, says Park, “because they form in geographical pockets where the groundwork for extreme ideas has already been seeded.”

Western Latter-day Saints, including the Cliven Bundy clan, often embrace libertarian rural values, she says, “because issues of sovereignty and range wars are deeply tied to faith for many in the area.”

Similar veins run within the Latter-day Saint mainstream in Utah, Nevada, Arizona and Idaho, says Park, who hosts a podcast, “Year of Polygamy,” that traces breakaway sects within the Mormon tradition.

These movements attract Latter-day Saints, Park says, “because they get more theological autonomy in a tradition that promises the possibility of mystical experiences and spiritual gifts.”

They are largely influenced by “both popular American Christian culture (energy work, essential oils, Christian mysticism, survivalism),” she says, and by the “red-scare” preachings of former church President Ezra Taft Benson and John Birch Society advocate Cleon Skousen.

Benson, U.S. secretary of agriculture under Dwight Eisenhower and later the church’s 13th president, grew up on a farm in Idaho. Through the years, he became increasingly convinced of Cold War conspiracies and doomsday scenarios.

He merged those fears with scriptures and Mormon teachings, presenting his ideas in many church forums, including General Conferences, says historian Matthew Harris, whose book “Watchman on the Tower: Ezra Taft Benson and the Making of the Mormon Right” is just being released.

Benson’s apostolic status led many members to believe his ideas were endorsed by the church, Harris says, as if they represented a mainstream position rather than the fringe.

Despite being regularly rebuked by other church authorities, including Presidents David O. McKay, Joseph Fielding Smith, Harold B. Lee and Spencer W. Kimball, says the scholar who teaches history at Colorado State University-Pueblo, Benson continued to call the civil rights movement a communist plot.

His end times warnings — about the United Nations, a “new world order” and the need to arm against a police state to protect the Constitution— were passed down to each new generation.
What’s new in today’s apocalyptic movement, Harris says, is the inclusion of near-death revelatory experiences, which can be compelling and hard to control.
Just ask the LDS Church.
A new breed of preppers
In 2014, Rowe, a Mormon mother of three in Kansas City, Mo., detailed her “near-death experience” a decade earlier in “A Greater Tomorrow: My Journey Beyond the Veil.” She writes that she visited the afterlife and saw visions of the past and future.

The book took off, she says, selling more than 60,000 copies, and Rowe became a sought-after speaker.

Though she did not offer specific dates for predicted events, she did describe "cities of light," including scores of white tents where people would live in the mountains and sometimes be fed heavenly "manna." She saw a "bomb from Libya landing in Israel, but Iran will take credit."

LDS Church headquarters received so many inquiries about Rowe that church officials sent a letter to administrators and teachers in the Church Educational System, saying that her book was “not endorsed by the church” and that her experiences “do not necessarily reflect church doctrine, or they may distort doctrine.”


Still, her popularity ballooned as she continued to publish books with Spring Creek Book Co. in Rexburg, Idaho, run by Chad Daybell.

In 2017, Rowe and Daybell addressed a Preparing a People Conference in Orem, which drew about 200 people.

That conference was the beginning of the end of her friendship with Daybell, Rowe says. “I saw a lot of red flags.”

But the charismatic prepper continues to expand her efforts to include several podcasts, a nonprofit dedicated to creating safe houses for those needing refuge, and one-on-one energy therapies.

On May 26, 2019, Rowe announced on her podcast that she was excommunicated from the church for “apostasy, teaching false doctrine, priestcraft, and defaming the good name of the church,” Blythe reports in his book, and that she said it was the work of corrupt men who had “infiltrated” Latter-day Saint leadership.

“She prophesied that church leaders would eventually visit her where she would be living in Idaho after the destruction in Salt Lake City,” Blythe writes, “and seek her forgiveness.”


Since then, though, he says other apocalyptic groups — especially AVOW (Another Voice of Warning), which has some 20,000 online followers — have distanced themselves from Rowe in hopes of staying close to the church.

Even so, Rowe presses on with what she sees as her mission: to warn people and help them discern what is coming:

That includes a bigger earthquake next year along the Wasatch Front (“I had a vision of the [March 18] Salt Lake earthquake and the trumpet falling off Angel Moroni’s statue”), another pandemic in the fall, the U.S. eventually being enslaved to a new world order, and two-thirds of the planet’s people perishing.

“Lucifer is behind it,” Rowe declares. “He [and] a 13-man council (the puppet masters) headquartered in Switzerland are orchestrating everything.”

Picking a date
Police sources in Rexburg say Daybell’s friends were told that the beginning of the end would happen July 22.

The best explanation comes from fellow prepper Melanie Gibb, a close friend of Vallow and Daybell, who gave an extensive interview to Nate Eaton of the East Idaho News.


Vallow and Daybell married weeks after Daybell’s wife died and the jailed mother told Gibb “there was going to be an earthquake that was going to hit so large in Utah by the end of 2019 that (people) wouldn’t notice anything in her personal life going on,” Gibb says in the interview. “Lori often mentioned the world would end in 2020, and Jesus Christ would return to the earth. She based this belief on scriptural study and research.”

On Wednesday, lots of former Daybell devotees gleefully posted on social media, “Marked Safe from the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.”

Other Latter-day Saints, though, still have an explanation for why the summer of 2020 might be an auspicious date for the beginning of the end. It is based on the oft-cited “seven seals” described in the Bible’s Book of Revelation.

If a day in God’s time is a thousand human years, then the earth has a temporal existence of 7,000 years, it says in the LDS Church’s Doctrine and Covenants Section 77. The seventh seal was opened in 2000, so this analysis goes.

“Yet, the opening of the seventh seal was not the only clue for end times events,” Blythe notes in a post on his website. “The Book of Revelation does not present the Second Coming occurring alongside the opening of the seventh seal.”

He notes that the scriptural passage continues: “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.”
Doing the math, if a half-hour of God’s time equals 20.8 earth years, that would bring the date closer to August.
Latter-day Saints continue to be intrigued by trying to uncover the meanings in Mormon and biblical apocalyptic verses — especially amid COVID-19.

A YouTube video aimed at Latter-day Saints uses many of these scriptures to build a timeline full of solar eclipses and speculations about times of tribulation — and it’s been viewed more than 636,000 times.

“Five months ago, most Latter-day Saints would have ignored the [video] altogether,” Blythe says. “Now [it] has a huge audience.”

David Gillmore, who runs “LDS Prepper” in Shelley, Idaho, has sold more of his products — water filtration systems, plant food, 10-inch can sealers, organic seed banks and gardening course books — in the past eight weeks than all of 2019.

“Noah was the first prepper,” the amiable Gillmore quips, “prepper with a purpose.”
But Gillmore is clear: He is not a doomsday prepper or anticipating Christ’s imminent return or listening to somebody’s dreams or visions about the end of the world.
No, he says, “We are preparing for life.”