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I really think the key here is for former AVOW members to speak out. There are some message boards associated with those but I don't know that we can link. Would be great for someone to come here and share information or share with police. Things like, we had a meeting here, or there, and this place is a shelter, etc.Thank you greatly for your explanation.
Absolutely no disrespect intended to you, fellow LDS members or LDS religion in general, in this challenging process of putting this very complicated puzzle together.
It appears that Chad in his early youtube interviews identified closely with LDS practices, Lori it is believed is a lifelong LDS member (present LDS status unknown) and Charles (Lori late husband) converted to LDS at request of Lori. Julie Rowe was also former LDS and was mentioned as being the alleged founder of whatever 'cult' Chad and Julie became involved in but this is speculation on the part of Charles' (Lori late husband) sister and was discussed in GH podcast yesterday. The LDS church has made official public statements about Julie Rowe and Chad being excommunicated from LDS church.
So, it seems safe to say that even if these folks had foundational roots in the LDS beliefs and practices that they veered away in their own direction at some point and are no longer affiliated with mainstream LDS organization.
I have been trying to figure out how the 'cult' group is organised and how many members might exist today and where they might exist to see if perhaps the 2 missing children are being sheltered by members.
MOO
Awful lot of divorces, fast re-marriages, suspicious deaths and violence involved in this case, isn't there? That wraps it up in a nut shell. With two missing children and a lawyer being a middle man for Chad and Lori.ETA #2 - Other poster is saying this happened in Chandler AZ.... So stand by!!! This can be wrong
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The shots to B. Boudreaux happened when he was in ID. iirc. Lori's niece Melani, who was married to BB lived in the area where Chad and Lori were. At the end of October was the shooting MOO. He and Melani divorced in November. It's not clear to me when Melani and BB moved to that area. He has since left the area with the children as Melani remarried and she/hubby are *poof*.
ETA Niece! not sister
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ETA #2 - Other poster is saying this happened in Chandler AZ.... So stand by!!! This can be wrong
Yes, that was me actually. I am just saying that is what was reported, that she graduated at 15. She was likely not in public school however in September 2019.
Were they already halfway through a divorce and custody battle when the shooting occurred? Otherwise how did they get divorced so fast?According to Brandon, the shooting occurred on October 2nd.
The divorce case for Melanie and BB is out of Maricopa County, AZ. The final order in that case did not happen until 12/18/2019 - the case started July 8th, 2019 (if I am remembering the court docket correctly).ETA #2 - Other poster is saying this happened in Chandler AZ.... So stand by!!! This can be wrong
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The shots to B. Boudreaux happened when he was in ID. iirc. Lori's niece Melani, who was married to BB lived in the area where Chad and Lori were. At the end of October was the shooting MOO. He and Melani divorced in November. It's not clear to me when Melani and BB moved to that area. He has since left the area with the children as Melani remarried and she/hubby are *poof*.
ETA Niece! not sister
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ETA #2 - Other poster is saying this happened in Chandler AZ.... So stand by!!! This can be wrong
According to Brandon, it happened in Gilbert. In GH's video it was mentioned by interviewees that Tylee's car was involved and was found there.So confusing still. Did the shooting at BB occur in Arizona (Chandler, Gilbert) or ... Idaho? And maybe Tylee's car was seen there? Wherever that was...
And at that time it hasn't occurred to police to check where the owner of the car was? All righty then.According to Brandon, it happened in Gilbert. In GH's video it was mentioned by interviewees that Tylee's car was involved and was found there.
Ah got it!! Yeah, she definitely wasn’t in public school as far as we know. It just seems like people keep stating it as a fact that she graduated but the reality is that that is likely just what the grandpa or whoever was told to explain the fact that nobody was doing schooling at home with Tylee. The one friend here said there was little to no schooling going on when she was homeschooled in Hawaii. It’s pretty sad. It sounds like Tylee was largely forgotten about, on her own with nobody looking out for her. Not one person, no matter if a friend, extended family, or her own big brother... noticed she was gone. Not one person cared when she stopped communicating.
I don't know if it is the same thing you are referring to but there is an interview of Julie Rowe posted today on Youtube where she has a lot to say about Chad Daybell and the situation. She says that Chad told her that a week or so before Tammy's death she was held at gunpoint by a man in black. For some sort of supposed revenge against Chad. Maybe the man in black was Alex?I think in your your second paragraph, you meant Lori, not Julie.
But it was Julie Rowe I wanted to reference anyway. She has a podcast that was posted today on her website discussing Chad Daybell, and I started to listen but wanted to let others know about it. I think it is against TOS to link, but it is her official website.
The divorce case for Melanie and BB is out of Maricopa County, AZ. The final order in that case did not happen until 12/18/2019 - the case started July 8th, 2019 (if I am remembering the court docket correctly).
Right??? Makes me wonder if some government overseer needs to look into these cases. Can the religion influence these decisions? Insane to me.
Can you imagine what took place before internet? You would have have to go to a court house to see records we can sleuth up.I am glad that the FBI now has some oversight into this entire situation, because it has been piece meal, Arizona shooting, Missing kids in Idaho...makes me wonder how many other people who commit crimes in different jurisdictions, just fly under the radar, especially if they were never charged with a crime.
Can you imagine what took place before internet? You would have have to go to a court house to see records we can sleuth up.
She read these around the time of Joseph Ryan’s death so seems already under the influence of Chad. MOOFrom Lori's Goodreads account:
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Not only for someone like us, but imagine LE, even a single agency like the FBI, and how computers with electronic records and being able to look for all crimes like X and that kind of thing have helped their ability to fight crime, detect patterns, etc.
RSBMmakes me wonder how many other people who commit crimes in different jurisdictions, just fly under the radar, especially if they were never charged with a crime.
It’s hard to “Like” this post, but I have to agree.I don't believe these kids are alive. They ran for a reason.