idaidaidaho
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These threads move so fast, so I'll try to reply quickly.
Thank you. As others have mentioned, quick engagements and marriages are fairly common in our culture, especially in the "mormon corridor" of UT, ID, AZ, but their time line is spectacularly fast. I know of two men who remarried within a month of their spouses dying and it shook the community and their families. One family has never healed from their father's quick rebound and it has been years at this point. So, not completely unheard of, but also not particularly smiled upon.
I read the recent article where two women who were deep in LDS AVOW spoke out and one talked about the secret temple meetings between a man and woman who might already be married to others. My upbringing did not include any teachings like this (thank goodness).
I do believe that if someone like Chad felt like he had divine revelation that he was meant to be with Lori (and that they had all these end times missions together) he could rationalize a lot of things. I wouldn't be surprised if their connection began on an emotional and spiritual level and contained no sexual infidelity because of holiness, which also played into the 'race to the altar' scenario.
For quite a while I was positive those kids were either in his basement or someone else high up in AVOW. Now I can't decide if Chris knows the truth and is still protecting Chad or if he just believes whatever story Chad and Lori have cooked up.
Oh, I agree with you. I mean, I know what the church's current stance is and it is as you say. I'm just telling you how I was raised. The people that believe in this believe it emphatically and believe they have plenty of support for it, not only from prophets/scripture, but from their own dreams, visions, and answers to prayer. I do think there's a good chance that it was taught in the past, but so was a lot of other rubbish.
But this: "Regardless of what some believe privately, they should at least be honest and admit that living one single life on earth is a fundamental LDS belief." That is absolutely impossible for these people to admit, regardless of what you think they 'should' do. They believe it with every fiber of their beings, and they believe that it is still being alluded to and taught 'between the lines' in conference talks for those who are paying attention. My parents did not teach this belief openly at all. I can't imagine how upset they'd be with me if they knew I was discussing it online.
My upbringing was rubbish? Agreed. Though there were some good things about it. Lots of love. I think my parents did the best they could with the knowledge and beliefs they had, but I am currently in therapy to make sense of it all. It's very difficult.
I didn't say that Chad (or anyone else) is "correct" for lying and scheming to mislead people under the LDS banner.
My parents didn't lie or scheme. They taught me what they truly believed. I believe Chad started out that way too, but I don't know when he went off the rails (if my suspicions about Tammy's death and his involvement with Lori's children are true).
The church is aware of this and does occassionally speak out against going to extremes or 'looking beyond the mark.' But again, they're not going to excommunicate people unless they are publicly making waves.
Yes, very intrigued. I always find it fascinating to find others who are similar to my parents.
Yes. The 'higher law folk' (I don't know what else to call them) do believe they have found and are living a purer form of LDS doctrine only available to those willing to study.... etc. I thought it might be helpful to hear from someone who was raised like this since I do realize it's really difficult to wrap one's head around.
By "repeating the Joseph Smith story" do you mean how he prayed to know which church is true? I suppose so... it seems like those that actually splinter off and form new religions still ascribe to the original Joseph Smith story. They believe he was a prophet, that he saw God and Jesus and translated the BOM. Usually there is a break somewhere a long the way... the most obvious example is the FLDS who broke off after the church stopped living the law of polygamy, believing the "mother church" to be in apostasy. The FLDS still believe in Joseph Smith, read the BOM, wear their own temple garments, etc.
To simplify: A splinter group will often take foundational things from mormon origins & keep those. While a "fringe group" often won't recognize that they are fringe and believes they are still functioning within the regular mainstream church.
The "special" thing was really big in my family. It was an important way to connect with my parents. I was so special and had so many spiritual gifts that they were allowed to share these sacred things with me. It was how I felt valued and like I had a place in our family.
Thank you. As others have mentioned, quick engagements and marriages are fairly common in our culture, especially in the "mormon corridor" of UT, ID, AZ, but their time line is spectacularly fast. I know of two men who remarried within a month of their spouses dying and it shook the community and their families. One family has never healed from their father's quick rebound and it has been years at this point. So, not completely unheard of, but also not particularly smiled upon.
I read the recent article where two women who were deep in LDS AVOW spoke out and one talked about the secret temple meetings between a man and woman who might already be married to others. My upbringing did not include any teachings like this (thank goodness).
I do believe that if someone like Chad felt like he had divine revelation that he was meant to be with Lori (and that they had all these end times missions together) he could rationalize a lot of things. I wouldn't be surprised if their connection began on an emotional and spiritual level and contained no sexual infidelity because of holiness, which also played into the 'race to the altar' scenario.
For quite a while I was positive those kids were either in his basement or someone else high up in AVOW. Now I can't decide if Chris knows the truth and is still protecting Chad or if he just believes whatever story Chad and Lori have cooked up.
Oh, I agree with you. I mean, I know what the church's current stance is and it is as you say. I'm just telling you how I was raised. The people that believe in this believe it emphatically and believe they have plenty of support for it, not only from prophets/scripture, but from their own dreams, visions, and answers to prayer. I do think there's a good chance that it was taught in the past, but so was a lot of other rubbish.
But this: "Regardless of what some believe privately, they should at least be honest and admit that living one single life on earth is a fundamental LDS belief." That is absolutely impossible for these people to admit, regardless of what you think they 'should' do. They believe it with every fiber of their beings, and they believe that it is still being alluded to and taught 'between the lines' in conference talks for those who are paying attention. My parents did not teach this belief openly at all. I can't imagine how upset they'd be with me if they knew I was discussing it online.
My upbringing was rubbish? Agreed. Though there were some good things about it. Lots of love. I think my parents did the best they could with the knowledge and beliefs they had, but I am currently in therapy to make sense of it all. It's very difficult.
I didn't say that Chad (or anyone else) is "correct" for lying and scheming to mislead people under the LDS banner.
My parents didn't lie or scheme. They taught me what they truly believed. I believe Chad started out that way too, but I don't know when he went off the rails (if my suspicions about Tammy's death and his involvement with Lori's children are true).
The church is aware of this and does occassionally speak out against going to extremes or 'looking beyond the mark.' But again, they're not going to excommunicate people unless they are publicly making waves.
Yes, very intrigued. I always find it fascinating to find others who are similar to my parents.
Yes. The 'higher law folk' (I don't know what else to call them) do believe they have found and are living a purer form of LDS doctrine only available to those willing to study.... etc. I thought it might be helpful to hear from someone who was raised like this since I do realize it's really difficult to wrap one's head around.
By "repeating the Joseph Smith story" do you mean how he prayed to know which church is true? I suppose so... it seems like those that actually splinter off and form new religions still ascribe to the original Joseph Smith story. They believe he was a prophet, that he saw God and Jesus and translated the BOM. Usually there is a break somewhere a long the way... the most obvious example is the FLDS who broke off after the church stopped living the law of polygamy, believing the "mother church" to be in apostasy. The FLDS still believe in Joseph Smith, read the BOM, wear their own temple garments, etc.
To simplify: A splinter group will often take foundational things from mormon origins & keep those. While a "fringe group" often won't recognize that they are fringe and believes they are still functioning within the regular mainstream church.
The "special" thing was really big in my family. It was an important way to connect with my parents. I was so special and had so many spiritual gifts that they were allowed to share these sacred things with me. It was how I felt valued and like I had a place in our family.
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