Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #87

[Gracie55]

I think based on the pictures that BG was likely carrying a gun.
The photo seems to show him leaning. Had he just shoved into Abby knocking her off the precarious bridge? Pretends it's an accident and orders LG down the hill to check on her?
Why was he after them? Where did I read LG was interested in crime solving stuff?
He's out getting rid of something, he thinks girls are snooping into his clandestine disposal, so they must go? Maybe saw him get rid of something?
What other crimes might've happened prior to this? Was he escaped from somewhere? On the run from le?
I don't think this was a random sec stalker. Place too unfrequented to be a hunting ground and I have the impression the crime happened quickly, like he had to dispose of witnesses quickly.
Maybe they got wind of an illegal trade of something, drugs or other, went sleuthing or to intervene, innocently thinking they could stop it.
This is IMO only based on the case as I've perceived.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Very good reading all of your recent posts on this thread!

One question: Was it ever determined for sure that the one girl survived thru the night and that the official time of deaths were different?

The way I understand it the rumor/theory that one of the girls lived through the night was based solely on the different death dates in each of their obituaries. Those dates were chosen by each of the girl’s families. Why one chose the day they disappeared and one chose the day they were found we don’t know, but funeral homes say in unusual deaths when much is unknown families simply choose a date that feels right for them. The official times of death, autopsies and causes of death have not been released, which allows the rumor to persist. There is nothing credible that I’m aware of that suggests the girl’s died at separate times on different dates.

 

[SeekingJana]

I think based on the pictures that BG was likely carrying a gun.
The photo seems to show him leaning. Had he just shoved into Abby knocking her off the precarious bridge? Pretends it's an accident and orders LG down the hill to check on her?
Why was he after them? Where did I read LG was interested in crime solving stuff?
He's out getting rid of something, he thinks girls are snooping into his clandestine disposal, so they must go? Maybe saw him get rid of something?
What other crimes might've happened prior to this? Was he escaped from somewhere? On the run from le?
I don't think this was a random sec stalker. Place too unfrequented to be a hunting ground and I have the impression the crime happened quickly, like he had to dispose of witnesses quickly.
Maybe they got wind of an illegal trade of something, drugs or other, went sleuthing or to intervene, innocently thinking they could stop it.
This is IMO only based on the case as I've perceived.

Thank you for providing a different theory based on the photograph and your impression of him not being in the area randomly. I can understand him wanting to get rid of witnesses if there was illegal activity of some sort going on.

IMO, the girls were not old enough to be out looking for a drug dealer, arms trader, bomb maker, or pill pusher. Am I missing any important clandestine meetings/ crimes in the list?

Do you think either girl would have been so bold, or would they have likely told their parents? At 14, without being able to drive, I'd have told my parents and if they didn't do anything, I'd have told the local police what I'd heard was going on there. I wouldn't go myself.

What you say about Abby possibly being pushed off the bridge is chilling, but how then were their bodies found together? Abby was retrieved, and the postmortem scene was staged?
( It happens in many cases, just thinking out loud.)

I don't know why but the bridge seems important in what happened to me. I can't explain it well right now. Maybe it was a barrier of some sort, maybe it was part of the taking of the girls? I'd not risk taking 2 teens by their arms or necks or anything on a small high bridge, but maybe he had a reason in his mind that made sense.

Pushing one girl off and then taking the other one hostage makes more sense than trying to control both. One of their grandfathers said that he believed one could have gotten away but stayed because her best friend was in trouble.
That's a very kind and loving sentiment, but it's not true to human behavior. Our most basic instinct is to SURVIVE ( Safety and Security) from infancy to the grave.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

Yo, I am hesitant about opening a big can of worms, but I've had a few drinks so screw it. Does anyone see a bunch of physical similarity between BG and the arrested dad in the Savannah Pruitt case?

a.) He's the right height and weight

b.) General resemblance to the sketch (though I do think less so than CE), and to me even more resemblance to the trail picture; I think his ears are VERY much like the sketch, which hasn't been true of any suspect to this point. I think he's way closer to the sketch than either DN or TB.

c.) His voice isn't dead-on to the garbled BG recording, but vaguely similar and at least to me his "accent" and cadence are basically identical.

d.) I know there's been a lot of discussion about a hat and what kind, but I've always seen a baseball cap with a bill tilted to one side, exactly as shown in the picture of RP in the heavy article https://heavy.com/news/2019/01/randall-pruitt/ (although dudes that wear hats tilted to one side typically always do it to the same side, and in the RP picture it's the opposite way from what I see with BG).

e.) If the rape charges against RP are for crimes perpetrated on SP (as opposed to as yet unnamed victims), the victim age is identical and general appearance is similar.


The problems, obviously, are:

a.) Distance (although he is apparently a long haul truck driver, as has been speculated in the Delphi case)

b.) Doesn't seem to have reddish-brown hair

c.) No (known) history of past similar crimes or area ties, and major fundamental differences between Delphi and the SP case (although this is also true of DN and TB)


To be clear, I think CE is a much more likely perp here than RP, but as soon as I saw the arrest and corresponding articles in SP case I immediately had parallels to Delphi come to mind and since I hadn't seen it suggested elsewhere thought I'd put it out there for discussion/feedback.

I just listened to the voice of RP (arrested Dad) and I detected the same thing! Voice sounds eerily similar.
Also, RP also looks like he has lost major weight in the last few years. His hair is also quite different (looks like he used to shave it.) I am glad you pointed this out....when I heard his voice I got shivers.

 

[SeekingJana]

The way I understand it the rumor/theory that one of the girls lived through the night was based solely on the different death dates in each of their obituaries. Those dates were chosen by each of the girl’s families. Why one chose the day they disappeared and one chose the day they were found we don’t know, but funeral homes say in unusual deaths when much is unknown families simply choose a date that feels right for them. The official times of death, autopsies and causes of death have not been released, which allows the rumor to persist. There is nothing credible that I’m aware of that suggests the girl’s died at separate times on different dates.

It is believed by most that the Ramsey family chose Christmas Day as the date of death for JonBenet Ramsey in the same manner.
She was last seen alive by her parents way before midnight.
She was found deceased early the next AM, around 5:30 AM by her mother, according to Ramsey parent statements for years.

The TOD could not be established by the coroner b/c liver temp. wasn't checked until around at least 15 hours postmortem and the body was moved, thus disturbing postmortem rigor and lividity to some extent.

Her case became famous or infamous because when news outlets picked up the story, she was immediately called " The Child Beauty Queen Who Was Murdered On CHristmas". Also, one of her children's pageant titles recently won had the word " Christmas" in it.
By choosing the 25th, the case became a national interest story and then all he77 broke loose... but probably at least one parent likely deserved what followed, IMO.
If they'd had the 24th put on the death certificate, because it was the last time they saw her and the TOD was indeterminate, it would not have been a sensationalized murder for over 2 decades. There would have been regional interest and reporting, but I do not think it would have gone national. JMO.
There's a lesson in the legacy..

 

[Gracie55]

Thank you for providing a different theory based on the photograph and your impression of him not being in the area randomly. I can understand him wanting to get rid of witnesses if there was illegal activity of some sort going on.

IMO, the girls were not old enough to be out looking for a drug dealer, arms trader, bomb maker, or pill pusher. Am I missing any important clandestine meetings/ crimes in the list?

Do you think either girl would have been so bold, or would they have likely told their parents? At 14, without being able to drive, I'd have told my parents and if they didn't do anything, I'd have told the local police what I'd heard was going on there. I wouldn't go myself.

What you say about Abby possibly being pushed off the bridge is chilling, but how then were their bodies found together? Abby was retrieved, and the postmortem scene was staged?
( It happens in many cases, just thinking out loud.)

I don't know why but the bridge seems important in what happened to me. I can't explain it well right now. Maybe it was a barrier of some sort, maybe it was part of the taking of the girls? I'd not risk taking 2 teens by their arms or necks or anything on a small high bridge, but maybe he had a reason in his mind that made sense.

Pushing one girl off and then taking the other one hostage makes more sense than trying to control both. One of their grandfathers said that he believed one could have gotten away but stayed because her best friend was in trouble.
That's a very kind and loving sentiment, but it's not true to human behavior. Our most basic instinct is to SURVIVE ( Safety and Security) from infancy to the grave.

What I'm wondering, were the girls' discovered upstream or downstream, and how much water was in the creek? She falls off or is pushed, maybe he was trying to rob her--did they have money or a purse? teenage girls might like to carry a bag--and she fell? They rush down the hill and find her floating downstream? When they catch up AW is dead from fall or drowning, LG is witness, so islilled.
Just a Theory based on what I've reas

 

[SkipperKey3]

What I'm wondering, were the girls' discovered upstream or downstream, and how much water was in the creek? She falls off or is pushed, maybe he was trying to rob her--did they have money or a purse? teenage girls might like to carry a bag--and she fell? They rush down the hill and find her floating downstream? When they catch up AW is dead from fall or drowning, LG is witness, so islilled.
Just a Theory based on what I've reas

I believe that they were found sufficiently far up on land that they couldn't simply have drifted there. They weren't simply on the bank. And they were found together. I don't think the creek had anything to do with, other than the curious fact that they had to have crossed or been taken across the creek somehow.

 

[Jax49]

"On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge. "

From the first post. bbm

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

JMO

I don’t think either girl was pushed or fell from the bridge.

Also, there was speculation in previous threads that Abby, or part of her arm or jacket, was cropped out of one of the stills of BG which was extracted from the video shot on Liberty’s phone. No proof of this, just another possibility to consider.

SeekingJana, if you haven’t already, check out the long version of the interview with officer Holman. That’s where things like they do have DNA but are trying to determine whose it is and the phone was found in the vicinity of the girls came from. Much like the recent FB interview with Sheriff Leazenby, the interview raises more questions than it answers, but is still worth a watch.
Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence

And WS member Grey Hughes has some informative videos on his YouTube channel.

~RIP M+J

 

[BUF]

JMO

I don’t think either girl was pushed or fell from the bridge.

Also, there was speculation in previous threads that Abby, or part of her arm or jacket, was cropped out of one of the stills of BG which was extracted from the video shot on Liberty’s phone. No proof of this, just another possibility to consider.

SeekingJana, if you haven’t already, check out the long version of the interview with officer Holman. That’s where things like they do have DNA but are trying to determine whose it is and the phone was found in the vicinity of the girls came from. Much like the recent FB interview with Sheriff Leazenby, the interview raises more questions than it answers, but is still worth a watch.
Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence

And WS member Grey Hughes has some informative videos on his YouTube channel.

~RIP M+J

Yes, Grey Hughes did some great videos on this (crime scene animation) He is also a member here.

 

[SeekingJana]

JMO

I don’t think either girl was pushed or fell from the bridge.

Also, there was speculation in previous threads that Abby, or part of her arm or jacket, was cropped out of one of the stills of BG which was extracted from the video shot on Liberty’s phone. No proof of this, just another possibility to consider.

SeekingJana, if you haven’t already, check out the long version of the interview with officer Holman. That’s where things like they do have DNA but are trying to determine whose it is and the phone was found in the vicinity of the girls came from. Much like the recent FB interview with Sheriff Leazenby, the interview raises more questions than it answers, but is still worth a watch.
Lead detective in Delphi murders confirms police have more audio from phone, DNA evidence

And WS member Grey Hughes has some informative videos on his YouTube channel.

~RIP M+J

I discovered Mr. Hughes's videos when I was searching in vain for the entire Dr. Phil show from Dec. 2017 on the case. There apparently are only clips remaining.

I did note that on one of the very short Dr. Phil clips from the show, the sister said that when the search was called off for the night, everyone went home. They got up the next AM, started searching and she heard someone ( a family member) cry out and then tell her not to come any closer.
Nothing at all about anyone searching in the dark, after dark, before dawn, or before police apparently let them back in to search.

OK, I've been watching the set of Mr. Hughes's videos, and he has an entire video devoted to exactly where everyone was. Where Libby was when she was filming, how her camera was slightly rotated and facing a bit downward, and that Abby was behind her. It was said that Libby had been on the bridge many times before but Abby hadn't.

Mr. Hughes also shows where they are on the bridge with BG behind them when Libby was filming.

The last part of one of his videos definitely shows where they were found, both on Google earth, in relationship to the bridge, and the type of area ( a sandy beach without many trees).

My only question is not victim blaming but wondering: Why, when they sensed the guy seemed creepy to them, didn't they turn and run as fast as they could away from the man and towards people in the park?

He didn't have a gun out when the video capture was made and posted for all to possibly ID. I am quite sure there's one in a pocket, probably the silver edge I can see hanging out of his left pants pocket on the clip from Dr. Phil. An ISP officer was there in the audience, and Dr. Phil zoomed in on the thing which looks like a gun sticking partly out of the pocket, asks the State Policeman if it is a gun, and he refuses to answer. Didn't answer anything Dr Phil asked, so I guess he was there to make sure his department wasn't maligned or mistruths told about their role in the ongoing investigation.

I wish there was a video of the entire show, but I've spend a long time looking and no luck. Also, no one has ever transcribed the show, which is a shame. An accurate transcription really should be available because Libby's grandmother gives a timeline I hadn't heard before about Libby's dad calling to say he'd be there soon to pick them up, it went to VM. Called from the parking lot of the park to say he was there at 3:15 and still VM.
HE was the first searcher, and also the first to call 911 as I understood the grandmother to say.

So, why don't we see him anywhere else? I've never seen any videos where he tells just what the grandmother related, nothing about looking for the girls, nothing about being concerned and calling 911 as dusk was approaching.

I understand that families are victims too, but is there a reason we haven't heard his words in his own voice? I think it would have more of an impact that the grandparents being front and center regarding Libby. Abby's parents spoke on her behalf-- what I could glean from multiple sites from the Dr. Phil episode.

I saw the still of Abby on the bridge. Hughes didn't point out any cropping or unusual feature, but it might not have been the same exact photo.
If part of her arm was cropped, why do you think this was done?

Going to read Holman's statement ( I think I've read it but twice is better than once).

Thanks, everyone!

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

I wish there was a video of the entire show, but I've spend a long time looking and no luck. Also, no one has ever transcribed the show, which is a shame. An accurate transcription really should be available because Libby's grandmother gives a timeline I hadn't heard before about Libby's dad calling to say he'd be there soon to pick them up, it went to VM. Called from the parking lot of the park to say he was there at 3:15 and still VM.
HE was the first searcher, and also the first to call 911 as I understood the grandmother to say.

So, why don't we see him anywhere else? I've never seen any videos where he tells just what the grandmother related, nothing about looking for the girls, nothing about being concerned and calling 911 as dusk was approaching.

I understand that families are victims too, but is there a reason we haven't heard his words in his own voice? I think it would have more of an impact that the grandparents being front and center regarding Libby. Abby's parents spoke on her behalf-- what I could glean from multiple sites from the Dr. Phil episode.

I saw the still of Abby on the bridge. Hughes didn't point out any cropping or unusual feature, but it might not have been the same exact photo.
If part of her arm was cropped, why do you think this was done?

Going to read Holman's statement ( I think I've read it but twice is better than once).

Thanks, everyone!

RSBM

Hi SeekingJana,

IIRC, I thought Liberty’s grandparents were her and her sister’s legal guardians. I might be wrong. (Someone please correct me if I am.) But this might be why they’re the ones doing the interviews and not her parents.

As far as I know, Abby’s dad has not been interviewed, nor, IIRC, has he been mentioned. I’ve only seen her mom doing interviews.

I wasn’t talking about the photo of Abby being cropped. I was talking about the video stills which show BG. There was speculation Abby was cropped out of the left side of the image that shows BG. I’m sorry if I didn’t make it clear which image I meant. It’s been another long week.

~RIP M+J

 

[BUF]

I discovered Mr. Hughes's videos when I was searching in vain for the entire Dr. Phil show from Dec. 2017 on the case. There apparently are only clips remaining.

I did note that on one of the very short Dr. Phil clips from the show, the sister said that when the search was called off for the night, everyone went home. They got up the next AM, started searching and she heard someone ( a family member) cry out and then tell her not to come any closer.
Nothing at all about anyone searching in the dark, after dark, before dawn, or before police apparently let them back in to search.

OK, I've been watching the set of Mr. Hughes's videos, and he has an entire video devoted to exactly where everyone was. Where Libby was when she was filming, how her camera was slightly rotated and facing a bit downward, and that Abby was behind her. It was said that Libby had been on the bridge many times before but Abby hadn't.

Mr. Hughes also shows where they are on the bridge with BG behind them when Libby was filming.

The last part of one of his videos definitely shows where they were found, both on Google earth, in relationship to the bridge, and the type of area ( a sandy beach without many trees).

My only question is not victim blaming but wondering: Why, when they sensed the guy seemed creepy to them, didn't they turn and run as fast as they could away from the man and towards people in the park?

He didn't have a gun out when the video capture was made and posted for all to possibly ID. I am quite sure there's one in a pocket, probably the silver edge I can see hanging out of his left pants pocket on the clip from Dr. Phil. An ISP officer was there in the audience, and Dr. Phil zoomed in on the thing which looks like a gun sticking partly out of the pocket, asks the State Policeman if it is a gun, and he refuses to answer. Didn't answer anything Dr Phil asked, so I guess he was there to make sure his department wasn't maligned or mistruths told about their role in the ongoing investigation.

I wish there was a video of the entire show, but I've spend a long time looking and no luck. Also, no one has ever transcribed the show, which is a shame. An accurate transcription really should be available because Libby's grandmother gives a timeline I hadn't heard before about Libby's dad calling to say he'd be there soon to pick them up, it went to VM. Called from the parking lot of the park to say he was there at 3:15 and still VM.
HE was the first searcher, and also the first to call 911 as I understood the grandmother to say.

So, why don't we see him anywhere else? I've never seen any videos where he tells just what the grandmother related, nothing about looking for the girls, nothing about being concerned and calling 911 as dusk was approaching.

I understand that families are victims too, but is there a reason we haven't heard his words in his own voice? I think it would have more of an impact that the grandparents being front and center regarding Libby. Abby's parents spoke on her behalf-- what I could glean from multiple sites from the Dr. Phil episode.

I saw the still of Abby on the bridge. Hughes didn't point out any cropping or unusual feature, but it might not have been the same exact photo.
If part of her arm was cropped, why do you think this was done?

Going to read Holman's statement ( I think I've read it but twice is better than once).

Thanks, everyone!

SeekingJana, don't know if you have come across this, but here is a podcast that was done with the grandparents that may be helpful.
Liberty German and Abigail Williams -The Delphi Murders from The Murder In My Family

 

[SeekingJana]

How did authorities decide that BG is the killer, or at least a person they believe is the killer? I looked at how far away he was from the girls when Libby started taping and it was much closer to the other end of the bridge than from the end where they were. If she started videoing when she or they sensed danger, again, why didn't they run? They were athletic, young, in good physical condition, and he is an overweight middle aged man.

We don't see a gun in his hand, and the photo has not been altered according to G. Hughes.

If you sense danger, how do you stand still and let danger come closer and closer?

I had thought that part of the audio withheld from the public was direct communication from the BG to the girls, indicating that their lives were in dire jeopardy.
However, that's not the case as I understand this comment from Lead Detective Holman.
Quoting from poster RIP Megan+Johnny link to a video and the print transcript just above my posts, Holman says this about the iPhone vid.
"
Sgt. Holeman tells us investigators have more audio from Libby’s phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene.
“It does not appear to be anything more than some discussion between the girls."

If the photo and the one partial sentence he speaks are all they have, how does this prove he's the killer? " Down the hill" could mean he's giving them an answer to a question about the fastest way to the parking lot when she shuts the camera off.
" Down the hill, take a right past the big tree stump and you'll be at the parking lot". ( just an example).
They were apparently approaching the time they were supposed to be picked up by Libby's dad, and actually might have wanted a short cut out of the wooded areas.


If he said " Get down the hill and into those woods over there or I'm going to kill you" wouldn't this be released instead of cut off/ out? It would have a lot more impact and we'd also here more inflection in his voice, surely.

How does what's been released to the public prove this man, BG, is the killer? If the rest of the recording is Abby and Libby chatting, then what am I missing?

What the ISP are saying they have doesn't point to a killer unless they are lying or withholding info about what they saw or what they can hear on the complete video

Why could it not be a simple, benign answer to many questions, or a statement about the location of an eagle's nest he saw or something? ( not sure if eagles nest in Indiana, just an example).

I totally understand 100% that they were murdered, and placed on the other side of the creek in the woods half a mile east.
Someone killed them and then staged a crime scene, or moved them while they were still alive.

What if they are showing a sketch and photo of the wrong man, and the real killer is walking around among them?

If they can't tie any DNA to him, where does the info that he's their killer come from?

I've been in parks or large public place like a casino ( once) and I did keep running into the same people, it seemed. Were any of them following me? Not that I could tell, and I am hypervigilant about any form of stalkerish behavior due to a near- fatal experience, but neither was I following them, which they could also have thought.

I've even run into people I know from a small hometown at Disney World, and in Pat O'Brien's piano bar in New Orleans. ( My only time there as well and my husband and I actually sat with 2 nurses I worked with- who happened to be in NOLA on a non-eventful week!)

Why is BG the murderer to the exclusion of all other possible suspects? I am likely not seeing what some of you or most of you are seeing and I need to understand why, just because he was walking on the bridge?
Also, there's no video to go with the audio when the words " Down the hill" are said. Why is that? I think she was shutting her video, then took her phone out of recording mode in preparation of the two of them meeting her dad in the parking lot after his 2 voice messages.

Help me understand why another man, not the BG, not recorded or seen COULD NOT BE THE REAL KILLER?

ETA: Respectfully, IMO as I'm trying to get up to speed on this case again.

 

[SouthernMom]

Help me understand why another man, not the BG, not recorded or seen COULD NOT BE THE REAL KILLER.

If I recall correctly, there was a press conference sometime after the sketch was first released where LE stated that based on their evidence, their suspect is the individual referred to as BG or Bridge Guy in these threads.
Not sure which presser it was.
Edited to add...of course, based on the little evidence released to the public, it could be someone else entirely.

 

[SouthernMom]

My opinion only is that the Delphi killer is probably not a local and also responsible for the Evansdale murders. I believe this individual has a criminal past, but no DNA in the system. Possibly even previous murders.
My opinion is that the killer is familiar with hiking trails and parks and/ or wilderness areas. This was a crime of opportunity, but also he was prepared for an opportunity to arise.
My suspect is like a Joseph Duncan.

 

[margarita25]

(O/T, I wanted to bring forward Alicia’s thread one more time in case anyone missed it, not saying there’s a relation necessarily but worth a look, imo. It was sad posting in her thread tonight about the brutality of her attack and I hope they make an arrest in her case as well:

Found Deceased - IA- Alicia Hummel, 29, Sioux City, 1 Jun 2015 )

 

[margarita25]

My opinion only is that the Delphi killer is probably not a local and also responsible for the Evansdale murders. I believe this individual has a criminal past, but no DNA in the system. Possibly even previous murders.
My opinion is that the killer is familiar with hiking trails and parks and/ or wilderness areas. This was a crime of opportunity, but also he was prepared for an opportunity to arise.
My suspect is like a Joseph Duncan.

(“Sammiejo White and Carmen Cubias
Federal prosecutors also revealed that Duncan confessed to the murders of Sammiejo White, 11, and her sister, Carmen Cubias, 9, who vanished on July 6, 1996, after leaving the Crest Motel in Seattle to panhandle. Their remains were found on February 10, 1998, in Bothell, Washington.”

Joseph E. Duncan III - Wikipedia )

 

[SouthernMom]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/326442002

Link to article 2 years after the slayings.

Snipped by me “A grainy image of what police believe is a suspect in the slayings was captured by Libby on her smartphone, as he walked along the trail, head down, toward the girls. The suspect was wearing jeans, a blue jacket, a brown hoodie and a hat.”

 

[StarryStarryNight]

How did authorities decide that BG is the killer, or at least a person they believe is the killer? I looked at how far away he was from the girls when Libby started taping and it was much closer to the other end of the bridge than from the end where they were. If she started videoing when she or they sensed danger, again, why didn't they run? They were athletic, young, in good physical condition, and he is an overweight middle aged man.

We don't see a gun in his hand, and the photo has not been altered according to G. Hughes.

If you sense danger, how do you stand still and let danger come closer and closer?

I had thought that part of the audio withheld from the public was direct communication from the BG to the girls, indicating that their lives were in dire jeopardy.
However, that's not the case as I understand this comment from Lead Detective Holman.
Quoting from poster RIP Megan+Johnny link to a video and the print transcript just above my posts, Holman says this about the iPhone vid.
"
Sgt. Holeman tells us investigators have more audio from Libby’s phone, which was found with the girls at the crime scene.
“It does not appear to be anything more than some discussion between the girls."

If the photo and the one partial sentence he speaks are all they have, how does this prove he's the killer? " Down the hill" could mean he's giving them an answer to a question about the fastest way to the parking lot when she shuts the camera off.
" Down the hill, take a right past the big tree stump and you'll be at the parking lot". ( just an example).
They were apparently approaching the time they were supposed to be picked up by Libby's dad, and actually might have wanted a short cut out of the wooded areas.


If he said " Get down the hill and into those woods over there or I'm going to kill you" wouldn't this be released instead of cut off/ out? It would have a lot more impact and we'd also here more inflection in his voice, surely.

How does what's been released to the public prove this man, BG, is the killer? If the rest of the recording is Abby and Libby chatting, then what am I missing?

What the ISP are saying they have doesn't point to a killer unless they are lying or withholding info about what they saw or what they can hear on the complete video

Why could it not be a simple, benign answer to many questions, or a statement about the location of an eagle's nest he saw or something? ( not sure if eagles nest in Indiana, just an example).

I totally understand 100% that they were murdered, and placed on the other side of the creek in the woods half a mile east.
Someone killed them and then staged a crime scene, or moved them while they were still alive.

What if they are showing a sketch and photo of the wrong man, and the real killer is walking around among them?

If they can't tie any DNA to him, where does the info that he's their killer come from?

I've been in parks or large public place like a casino ( once) and I did keep running into the same people, it seemed. Were any of them following me? Not that I could tell, and I am hypervigilant about any form of stalkerish behavior due to a near- fatal experience, but neither was I following them, which they could also have thought.

I've even run into people I know from a small hometown at Disney World, and in Pat O'Brien's piano bar in New Orleans. ( My only time there as well and my husband and I actually sat with 2 nurses I worked with- who happened to be in NOLA on a non-eventful week!)

Why is BG the murderer to the exclusion of all other possible suspects? I am likely not seeing what some of you or most of you are seeing and I need to understand why, just because he was walking on the bridge?
Also, there's no video to go with the audio when the words " Down the hill" are said. Why is that? I think she was shutting her video, then took her phone out of recording mode in preparation of the two of them meeting her dad in the parking lot after his 2 voice messages.

Help me understand why another man, not the BG, not recorded or seen COULD NOT BE THE REAL KILLER?

ETA: Respectfully, IMO as I'm trying to get up to speed on this case again.

I think you have a valid question. Here’s my thoughts on it.
1) If I’m remembering right, when LE initially released that picture of the guy on the bridge they did not and would not say how the photo was taken, only that they wanted to talk to anybody that was at the trails that day, especially that guy. They termed him a witness, not a suspect, though some people wondered about that. People speculated for days on where the photo came from. Most seemed to think it came from a trail camera someone had set up. During those days apparently lots of people who had been at the trails that day called in as requested and talked to LE. The BG never did. Never called and said “oh my gosh, that’s me! I was there with my nephew collecting grasshoppers for his school project. And this is what I saw....”. By the next press conference, he had jumped from witness to suspect and it was revealed that the picture came from Libby’s phone. It’s 2 years later and he still hasn’t contacted police.
2) I think large portions of the video/audio recorded by Libby are included in the information LE is not releasing to the public. The quotes from police about the audio being mostly just girl talk between the girls about nothing in particular was referring to a very short part of the audio that the families were allowed to hear about a year ago. The short segment reportedly was only from before the girls were taken and perhaps, but not really confirmed, the girls referencing the creepy guy coming toward them. LE has said there is more video/audio. That they constantly discuss whether to release more in hopes someone might recognize the voice, but have not. Parts of the audio have been referred to by police as “the stuff of nightmares” or something like that.
3) I also have wondered why the girls didn’t just head in the opposite direction away from the bridge as this guy came toward them. Very quickly they would be on private property and onto farms and fields. My only guess is as young teens they knew they should stay off of private property and it never occurred to them it would be OK in an emergency. I’m not so sure they really thought it was an emergency. They may have been unsettled by this guy and nervous but I think their thought was to let him finish crossing the bridge then they would head back across and away from him. So they waited, with thoughts of distancing themselves from him but no thoughts that he would accost them and force them down the hill(there’s more to that command on the audio I feel certain) and murder them.
4) Also the crime scene is upstream from the bridge, and away from the creek bank. So bodies couldn’t have floated down there after being pushed off the bridge.
My opinion is that LE has additional information that we are not privy to that indicates to them the bridge guy is the killer. I think some of that info is in the audio/ video from Libby’s phone but there is probably other evidence too. I also think it’s possible that BG might be the main suspect, but they are investigating others that don’t match the BG description as well.
I hope I have remembered this stuff correctly! Gosh it’s been two years!