Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #144

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I trust the vetting done by The Murder Sheet. Her story sounds credible (and chilling) MOO

I agree, @LeBlack about the excellent vetting that The Murder Sheet conducts.

I'm hoping that [B][COLOR=#0000ff]@Tricia[/COLOR][/B] invites The Murder Sheet's hosts, journalist Áine Cain and attorney Kevin Greenlee to discuss the case with her on Websleuths Youtube Channel.

If you haven't watched one of Tricia's videos on Websleuths Youtube, I highly recommend it. There isn't a video on Delphi I've watched that I haven't learned some important information from.

JMO



 
I somehow overlooked this post or didn't think much of it at first at least. That's very interesting. I also thought it might be interesting to see if there would be any pictures of KAK and/or his father. Go to the tribute wall and there are quite a few pics for the deceased. About the 26th picture. There is, whom I perceive as the deceased, on the right side of the pic wearing a blue and black striped shirt. In the middle is a teenager holding a young child. You have to click on the pic to enlarge it. I am presuming the teenager would be KAK, but I'm not sure. But he does have the long chin that was mentioned previously. He does resemble the young guy sketch to me. And this is certainly MO. Maybe someone agrees or may be this is not KAK, I just thought it interesting if it is KAK or his father for that matter. We haven't had many pics to think about these two in comparison to BG or even someone else seen there that day. There is another pic that I would think most certainly is KAK with his grandfather, while he doesn't so much resemble young guy sketch in that pic, he does have a long chin IMO. There is one with KAK and the father side by side on a sofa. The father seems to have reddish brown hair imo. Just curious what others think is all.
I think, I can't see the tribute wall ...... :confused:
 
I see on the MT where some posters have called out Gray Hughes on stating that a gun could be heard being cocked. Evidently GH stated that someone told him that someone else heard Abigail's mother say it. Its no wonder LE has issues with social media.
 
Listening to the murder sheet’s latest episode, 3 things stood
out to me.
1: How the half brother answers the question if he thinks the voice sounds like TK.
2. How the half brother answers the question if he thinks the voice sounds like KAK.
3. The information about the upbringing with TK as a father figure. It makes me wonder if this also describes KAKs upbringing. And it makes me Think about what research has shown when it comes to upbringing of people who later turns out to be serial offenders or even serial killers. Combine that with information about bad temper, no job, Still Living at Home with parent, Living your life in front of the computer, creation of fake SM accounts to Meet underage girls and lure them into sending pictures, CSAM, and perhaps peeping through Windows wearing skimask - it makes me wonder…

Disclaimer: all above just my own thoughts and opinions. Not accusing anyone for being a serial killer or offender and not accusing people with a bad child hood for being serial killers or offenders, as I know that the wast majority does not turn out that way.
 
Listening to the murder sheet’s latest episode, 3 things stood
out to me.
1: How the half brother answers the question if he thinks the voice sounds like TK.
2. How the half brother answers the question if he thinks the voice sounds like KAK.
3. The information about the upbringing with TK as a father figure. It makes me wonder if this also describes KAKs upbringing. And it makes me Think about what research has shown when it comes to upbringing of people who later turns out to be serial offenders or even serial killers. Combine that with information about bad temper, no job, Still Living at Home with parent, Living your life in front of the computer, creation of fake SM accounts to Meet underage girls and lure them into sending pictures, CSAM, and perhaps peeping through Windows wearing skimask - it makes me wonder…

Disclaimer: all above just my own thoughts and opinions. Not accusing anyone for being a serial killer or offender and not accusing people with a bad child hood for being serial killers or offenders, as I know that the wast majority does not turn out that way.
One thing I noted was that when the half-brother was told that LE asked KK about the toilet story, the half-brother was really floored. He said after hearing that, he did think LE was looking at TK as a suspect, because that meant they had looked into TK's past. (Paraphrasing)
 
I see on the MT where some posters have called out Gray Hughes on stating that a gun could be heard being cocked. Evidently GH stated that someone told him that someone else heard Abigail's mother say it. Its no wonder LE has issues with social media.

Here is the original post for reference:
Found Deceased - IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #140

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“MizStery” said:
Here is the link and time stamp I promised our moderator Tiff23fr.
Time stamp 41:00

Grey Hughes was corresponding with someone that knows "Annie". "Annie" is Abby's Williams mom. Annie Williams told this person that she saw more of Libby's video:
  1. Abby looks up at Libby, who is recording, and says "He's right behind me, isn't he?"
  2. Abby hurries to where Libby is.
  3. The girls are discussing which way to go. It appears they were talking about two ways to go but said it was hard to hear the audio.
  4. Abby says "Is that a gun? He's got a gun."
  5. BG says "Hey" (probably supposed to be "Guys")
  6. Libby says "Hmmm"
  7. "Down the hill" and then the sound of a gun cocking
 
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Murder Sheet Podcast - KAK
December 17, 2021 - March 15, 2022

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Transcript:

VIDEO TAPED STATEMENT OF KEGAN A. KLINE
August 19, 2020 (Filed 3/3/2022, Miami County, Indiana)
Murder Sheet Kegan Kline Redacted Statement.pdf

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Murder Sheet Podcast Episode Index


1. Episode 60 - The Delphi Murders: Kegan Anthony Kline
December 7, 2021


‎Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: Kegan Anthony Kline on Apple Podcasts
The name Kegan Anthony Kline has now come up in connection to the Delphi murders.
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2. Episode 61 - The Delphi Murders: Kayla’s Story
December 13, 2021


Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: Kayla's Story on Apple Podcasts
We spoke with a woman who said she was preyed upon by Kegan Anthony Kline
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3. Episode 67 - The Delphi Murders: Vegas Dreams
January 10, 2022 Bonus


https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/murder-sheet/id1538289354?i=1000547439197
Nobody in Las Vegas seems to remember Kegan Anthony Kline.
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4. Episode 74 - The Delphi Murders: An Interview with Carroll County Sheriff Candidate Mike Thomas
February 9, 2022 Bonus


‎Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: An Interview with Carroll County Sheriff Candidate Mike Thomas on Apple Podcasts
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5. Episode 76 - The Delphi Murders: Father and Son
February 22, 2022


Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: Father and Son on Apple Podcasts
Who is Tony Kline?
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6. Episode 78 - The Delphi Murders: A Reaction to Barbara McDonald’s Interview with Kegan Kline
March 4, 2022


Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: A Reaction to Barbara McDonald’s Interview with Kegan Kline on Apple Podcasts
This episode contains new information in the Delphi murders.
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7. Episode 79 - The Delphi Murders: Document Drop Q&A
March 7, 2022


Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: Document Drop Q&A on Apple Podcasts
Updates on our coverage of the Delphi murders.
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8. Episode 81 - The Delphi Murders: The Kegan Kline Police Interview Part One
March 15, 2022


Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: The Kegan Kline Police Interview: Part One on Apple Podcasts
The documents we uncovered reveal more about the child sexual abuse materials case against Kegan Kline.
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9. Episode 82 - The Delphi Murders: The Kegan Kline Police Interview Part Two
March 15, 2022


Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: The Kegan Kline Police Interview: Part Two on Apple Podcasts
This episode delves into the connections between Kegan Kline and the Delphi investigation

Cont.

10. Episode 83: ‎Murder Sheet: The Delphi Murders: Who is Tony Kline? Part One on Apple Podcasts
March 22, 2022

What kind of person is Tony Kline?

Listener discretion is advised.

Tony Kline's name has come up in connection with the Delphi murders. In this installment of the Murder Sheet, we talk to a man who was once Tony Kline's stepson.”
 
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@Becky Starkey @Andreee That picture shows the deceased in the blue and black striped shirt, KAK as a baby, and KAK's father in the middle as a young man.

There are only two photos of KAK as an adult in the montage..in both he has a black hat on with red and white or silver lettering. Hope that helps.

That makes sense, thanks!
 
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I'm eager to listen to that MS episode tonight. ("Nobody in Las Vegas seems to remember Keegan Kline.") It fits with what I've thought about KAK--and so far I haven't heard any mainstream news items about what KAK's family and friends think about him, former employers, etc., and nothing about the supposed Las Vegas trip(s) to speak of--flight information, arrival and departure dates, hotel(s).

I hate to slag on the guy, but it looks very much to me that he's a sad case, we haven't heard much from friends and former employers and coworkers, because he has very few friends and former employers and coworkers. All that nonsense about being an "armed security guard" in government facilities and parks, about being a croupier (or whatever it was he claimed on FB) at a big casino--that's the life he fantasizes about. In reality, he's a guy with no job, sleeping on friends' couches, scrabbling together a few bucks to buy weed or get a fast-food burger ...

Honestly, I really *could* picture him as the murderer (or one of them) at Delphi, except that, as somebody else pointed out, he hardly would have given up a DNA sample without a warrant, if he suspected his DNA might be somewhere at the crime scene. IMO, that is.

Lee Harvey Oswald failed at multiple jobs, had an unhappy marriage, lived in near-poverty, had no friends and no real social life, and felt (justifiably) like a loser, multiple books confirm this. He tried to kill a far-right-wing retired general, and then killed a liberal progressive president: he did not care WHO he killed, he was just desperate to show that he wasn't just a zero. Honestly, I could see KAK feeling the same way and deciding to be a "thrill killer" ... again, I think the DNA sample makes it very unlikely he IS L&A's murderer. But I can definitely picture him as one.
 
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For anyone that thinks that this may be odd or evasive in some way, I just wanted to point out that since I was a baby I have gone by my middle name. Well technically a nickname of my middle name. So just like TK goes by Tony which is short for Anthony that is the same for me. So I don’t find it odd at all.
I was just throwing that out there.
moo.
His father WAS also a "Jerry", so it makes even more sense to go by that (rather than Junior, etc)
 
he's a guy with no job, sleeping on friends' couches, scrabbling together a few bucks to buy weed or get a fast-food burger ...

Lee Harvey Oswald failed at multiple jobs, had an unhappy marriage, lived in near-poverty, had no friends and no real social life, and felt (justifiably) like a loser, multiple books confirm this.

The science says a lot of psychopaths live parasitic, chaotic lives like this.
 
I'm eager to listen to that MS episode tonight. ("Nobody in Las Vegas seems to remember Keegan Kline.") It fits with what I've thought about KAK--and so far I haven't heard any mainstream news items about what KAK's family and friends think about him, former employers, etc., and nothing about the supposed Las Vegas trip(s) to speak of--flight information, arrival and departure dates, hotel(s).

I hate to slag on the guy, but it looks very much to me that he's a sad case, we haven't heard much from friends and former employers and coworkers, because he has very few friends and former employers and coworkers. All that nonsense about being an "armed security guard" in government facilities and parks, about being a croupier (or whatever it was he claimed on FB) at a big casino--that's the life he fantasizes about. In reality, he's a guy with no job, sleeping on friends' couches, scrabbling together a few bucks to buy weed or get a fast-food burger ...

Honestly, I really *could* picture him as the murderer (or one of them) at Delphi, except that, as somebody else pointed out, he hardly would have given up a DNA sample without a warrant, if he suspected his DNA might be somewhere at the crime scene. IMO, that is.

Lee Harvey Oswald failed at multiple jobs, had an unhappy marriage, lived in near-poverty, had no friends and no real social life, and felt (justifiably) like a loser, multiple books confirm this. He tried to kill a far-right-wing retired general, and then killed a liberal progressive president: he did not care WHO he killed, he was just desperate to show that he wasn't just a zero. Honestly, I could see KAK feeling the same way and deciding to be a "thrill killer" ... again, I think the DNA sample makes it very unlikely he IS L&A's murderer. But I can definitely picture him as one.

Not so fast! That is not how it happens. A warrant was not required for his DNA according to IN law. KAK is acting all innocent in that interview he volunteered to do but it is just a ploy meant to fool the public. He's gotten you to believing he's innocent. KAK is a liar and a master manipulator. He may be innocent of committing a double homicide but he did not voluntarily submit his DNA.

In Indiana, anyone arrested under a felony charge automatically has their DNA samples taken. It is not my own opinion. It is a fact. KAK is manipulating the truth. He had no choice in the matter.

The link to the law was posted recently. I'm sorry you missed it but it is in this very thread.
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ADMIN NOTE:

This post lands at random.

Please use initials when making reference to KAK's dad. He has not been officially named a POI/suspect, has not been arrested, and members should not publicly sleuth him.

Thanks !!
 
Not so fast! That is not how it happens. A warrant was not required for his DNA according to IN law. KAK is acting all innocent in that interview he volunteered to do but it is just a ploy meant to fool the public. He's gotten you to believing he's innocent. KAK is a liar and a master manipulator. He may be innocent of committing a double homicide but he did not voluntarily submit his DNA.

In Indiana, anyone arrested under a felony charge automatically has their DNA samples taken. It is not my own opinion. It is a fact. KAK is manipulating the truth. He had no choice in the matter.

The link to the law was posted recently. I'm sorry you missed it but it is in this very thread.
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Jun 30 2017, by Sean Hessler in Criminal Defense, Legal Blog
The governor of Indiana, Eric Holcomb, signed a bill into law earlier this year that allows law enforcement to collect DNA from individuals arrested on felony charges. The law, Act 322, requires any person arrested on a felony charge subsequent to December 31, 2017, to provide a DNA sample through a cheek swab. The law prohibits the sample from being shipped for identification unless probable cause has been determined for a felony arrest, or the individual was arrested on a warrant. Prior to the signing of this bill, the state was only permitted to collect DNA after conviction.
 
In Indiana, anyone arrested under a felony charge automatically has their DNA samples taken. It is not my own opinion. It is a fact. KAK is manipulating the truth. He had no choice in the matter.
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OK, thank you! I had been thinking that his arrest was prior to the DNA samples law. "My bad."

This whole K family thing, plus the assorted sordid acquaintances--it's a massive can of worms, IMO. There might be one murderer, or a conspiracy of dozens (not that "dozens" is likely, just saying.)

Apologies to the Admin Wing, one of whom had to snip my post--listing a nonapproved podcast, I suppose. I didn't think about it being forbidden--there were plenty of other mentions of that podcast just upstream in the discussion. Sorry.
 
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