IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #43

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Do we have something new from LE reiterating that he is not a suspect, or just a really poorly written tweet saying the trip to the transfer station was unrelated to the murders, per Carroll county prosecutors?

I feel like I've missed something here.

ETA - I did miss something, and now I see where it is noted that Sgt. Riley said he has not been 'labelled' a suspect here:
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/...er-visited-dump-day-delphi-killings/99976688/
 
If there is no relation to the trip to the transfer station and the murders then this seems unfair...
It certainly does. I cannot for the life of me figure out why LE would make such a sideshow of this man. Probation is violated every DAY by hundreds of people across the country. People drive EVERY DAYon suspended licenses. I'm not saying it's right. My family has suffered a loss caused by a drunk driver, so I get it, I don't want them on the roads either. But the fact is that there are not enough jail cells to lock every one of this kind of offender up.....or lock every person who violates probation. I've never seen such a show put on for these kind of charges. I begin to think LE has nothing else, so this is all just a big distraction. I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But you can't beg the public for help and then clam up with the kind of silence and misdirection we are getting now. Rant over. Sorry.
 


Around midday on Tuesday, after police and volunteers had resumed their search from the night before, the girls’ bodies were found 800m from the bridge.
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/eerie-photo-of-bridge-where-indiana-girls-were-murdered-posted-four-years-ago-by-tragic-mum/news-story/e9a91eebc06a5730b92026d6e26a6f75


He thanked volunteers who helped search the base of the bridge and surrounding trails for the girls, whose bodies were found by one of those volunteers.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/liberty-german-abigail-williams-dead-delphi-indiana-bodies-identified/

I've known it since the beginning. LE searched early morning on the 14th including with divers and dogs. Once that search was concluded, the volunteers and LE searchers were released to search. Also see: Scanner Thread
 
A few things....

county by county I imagine the procedure is different for bringing inmates to court on VOP matters. In Indy, I rarely see leg irons... but there are lots of inmates and it would take time and money to affix them to each defendant on court day then take them off. In Carroll county leg irons may be standard. Still, thats a lot of escort for an old drunk with DUI VOP. Also, it is very unusual to keep a defendant locked up with no bond this long on a VOP.

So my thinking is that the cops suspect that RL has some info into the murders. Which is why they set up the VOP and the search of his house and car. Lock him up, deprive him of alcohol, maybe get him to talk. Does Clinton county have medical facilities? If so, maybe that's why they sent him there to deal with DTs. Who knows.

My own hunch is that the cops (who I seem to recall having said at some point that thus was a "convoluted" case) have an idea of several folks who may have been involved... what happened.....and maybe even why. I bet Local scuttlebutt has similar suspicions. I think they have several ideas who the BG photo is.... but cant pinpoint it because of the quality of the photo. BTW, it wasn't altered or manipulated. This was an image from Libby's phone. It was probably a small part of a frame, taken from a distance when she was recording something else. It was blown up and hence the quality is not good. But LE has said that these two images are the best they have of this subject.... so it may have been a panning shot that captured this guy walking the bridge.

My guess is that the guy whose house was searched (JM) is on the cops radar as BG or a participant. I think DL or another L is on their radar. I remember a family member that first week said on FB that either DL was covering for JM (or vice versa). This is, btw, the same family member that said within 2 hours of the bodies' discovery that they were found in a shed.

Recall a couple times a cop has said that they are looking for a small piece or pieces of info that would complete the puzzle, or something like that. This adds to my thinking that they may very well have the general contours of what happened and why... and that RL either was involved in some way or knows something about what happened and who else was involved. The guy is a drunk... he is in withdrawal.... the cops probably think he is the guy that they can break among the several people they think are involved in this. Just keep in jail long enough.... eff with him long enough.... maybe find something in his house or truck that they can tell him implicates him (even if they don't have anything) and they hope he'll break unlike others they have questioned.

Was JD part of the deal? Maybe. He's kinda far away in Kokomo though. And I think that there is plenty local stuff to provide the personnel and motivation for this to happen.

Also, don't get bogged down with assumptions. "Down the hill" may not have been a command. It may have been part of a declarative sentence. As in "I want you to see something down the hill". or anything like that.

Cops did Make it sound as if Libby purposely turned on her recording as opposed to it just being on or being turned on accidentally. They could be right or wrong about that.

My belief is that more than one person was involved in this. That the deaths were possibly unplanned and something that got out of hand with one person. Recall the Carmel murders in 1994 when three guys went to rob a house. when they got inside one of them went nuts and slit the throats of the three victims... a 23 yo man, an 18 yo man, and a 14yo girl. The other two guys were themselves horrified... did not expect this... did nothing to stop it.... and each pled to LWOP to murder. Plenty of motivation for the Delphi guys to keep their mouths shut if there was more than one on the scene. Strong rumors and info from PMS from family members of searchers and folks in attendance at the wake indicate that their throats were cut. To me, that says execution. That says to me that they were probably bound somewhere.... maybe for a while. Could it have been a sexual motivation? maybe. LE has never said whether that happened. Strong rumor from the same types of sources plus family on TV says at least one of the victims fought hard. Guy PMed me the first week and said that they were taken down (presumably from the north end of the bridge) to the north side of the creek and taken along the creek to where they were found and that they had extensive defensive wounds on their hands and arms.

These small towns... with their eccentrics, their drugs, their scandals (sexual, criminal, financial etc), backbiting, gossips, and dramas that start in high schools and continue till they are 80 years old... a veritable Peyton Place of people and motives for stupid mind bending actions that many of us wouldn't even comprehend.

yeah I BET what happened is convoluted. Soap operas and criminal enterprises usually are. A lot of people with bits and pieces of involvement and everyone afraid of a few crazies.

Explains why the cops have never felt the need to warn anyone in the area of a killer in their midst or on the loose.
 
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There would be No Plea deal unless and until he cooperated.

So, he answered Questions and they dropped Obstruction and False informing.



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He drove drunk????? LINK ME!

Otherwise just driving sober to a dump is a petty crime.

People keep adding in elements! He just drove. Not drunk. This isnt a breaking parole dui drive. Its a drive. Petty.

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No one suggested he drove drunk to the dump that I am aware of. Please link me if you see that.

My own references are just to the fact that he has been convicted of more than one dui in the past and that even if he didn't murder someone, I wouldn't consider him failing to take his probation seriously as "petty."

To me, that lessens the value of the lives of those who've been killed in drunk driving incidents. Imho.


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But it's not LE portraying him as that....It's social media! LE keeps telling people (and again today) that he's not a suspect, and not to jump to conclusions about this man. They've arrested 13 other people (and searched several other properties) that they found through this case, but nobody is ripping their lives apart. It's because the girls were found on his property, IMO.

Him and BG look about as much alike as a kitten and a kite.

MOO

Yes but LE's demeanor and comments were clear IMO ("things aren't adding up..."). I really got the feeling from LE he was on their hinky meters for a reason. Maybe he still is. Or not.

Hopefully LE will make a more definitive statement re all of this.
 
LE most likely checked out the dump visit thoroughly. The FBI probably knows every little thing he brought there, down to a grain of salt. They will have times he was there, who he spoke to, what he dropped off, how many times he sneezed...lol

The DA said the dump trip is unrelated to the murders. I'll take his word for it.
LE probably know approximate time of death of the girls and it may not be near to the time or date of the dump visit.
 
But it's not LE portraying him as that....It's social media! LE keeps telling people (and again today) that he's not a suspect, and not to jump to conclusions about this man. They've arrested 13 other people (and searched several other properties) that they found through this case, but nobody is ripping their lives apart. It's because the girls were found on his property, IMO.

Him and BG look about as much alike as a kitten and a kite.

MOO
Where did we hear from LE he is not a suspect?
 
The J&C is making sure they aren't part of any future lawsuits, IMHO.

"The Journal & Courier is not naming the man because has not been arrested or charged in connection to
the deaths of 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams, who first were reported missing Feb. 13 after hiking near Deer Creek east of Delphi."

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/04/03/property-owner-visited-dump-day-delphi-killings/99976688/
 
jconline.com says that plea bargain was made and charges of obstruction of justice and false informing were dismissed. Sorry I cannot link.

here it is:

http://www.jconline.com/story/news/...er-visited-dump-day-delphi-killings/99976688/

During a court hearing Monday, the property owner pleaded guilty to the probation violation and a new felony charge of being a habitual traffic violator.

As part of a plea agreement, charges of false informing and obstruction of justice were dropped, according to deputy prosecutor Jerry Bean.

Bean would not comment on the nature of the latter two charges. He declined to disclose what time the man visited the transfer station.

He will be sentenced 11 a.m. Monday and could face up to 4½ years in prison. His attorney, Andrew Achey, was not immediately available for comment.
 
But it's not LE portraying him as that....It's social media! LE keeps telling people (and again today) that he's not a suspect, and not to jump to conclusions about this man. They've arrested 13 other people (and searched several other properties) that they found through this case, but nobody is ripping their lives apart. It's because the girls were found on his property, IMO.

Him and BG look about as much alike as a kitten and a kite.

MOO
If we had the names of each person who was contacted because someone left a tip that "so-and-so kind of resembles BG," I'd venture to guess that more than a few people would convince themselves that each one does look like BG, walk like BG, and talk like BG. I'm convinced people can talk themselves into believing anything.
 
IF LE has ruled him out they need to say this officially in a PC, for everyone's sakes, including this man's safety.
 
Well, for the record LE has repeatedly stated that everything (with the exception of the SW) that is going on with respect to RL is unrelated to the murders and has stated he is NOT a suspect. It is really ONLY SM, MSM, and the public at large that are speculating about his involvement. However, he is now facing a possible 4 1/2 year prison sentence for possibly "dropping off bottles to be recycled". IMO - This case may take a lot longer than any of us want, unfortunately.

Sorry that wasn't clear... I don't know how to explain it, I guess him being portrayed/examined as a potential murderer if they knew he was just dropping off say hypotheticallly bottles for recycling...
 
The obstruction and false informing had to be wrt to HIS PV's and not the murder case. I hope everyone realizes that.

There's no way they would drop those charges otherwise.

He probably lied to LE about driving (to the dump) and drinking (at Pizza King). That's typical behavior for someone breaking the law. Nobody usually fesses up right away.
 
Sorry that wasn't clear... I don't know how to explain it, I guess him being portrayed/examined as a potential murderer if they knew he was just dropping off say hypotheticallly bottles for recycling...

He's not being portrayed as anything. Yet. They haven't labeled him as connected in any way. But you admit they would be negligent if they didn't investigate? I mean it seems unlikely this guy was focused on because he went to the dump.

Imagine this hypothetical: Let's say that a person seemed shady to the police and so they began investigating him, and began finding possible connections to the crime, like people calling in saying he resembled or sounded like a suspect, or the fact that bodies were found on his property, things that make LE determine this man could be a likely suspect. And they find that, in the course of their investigation he has violated probation. And can be arrested for that probation violation.

If that guy, was not arrested for the probation violation, and it turned out that he indeed was the perpetrator, and he went on to harm other victims, and then the public found out that he could have been arrested but wasn't, what do you think the public outcry would be?
 
No one suggested he drove drunk to the dump that I am aware of. Please link me if you see that.

My own references are just to the fact that he has been convicted of more than one dui in the past and that even if he didn't murder someone, I wouldn't consider him failing to take his probation seriously as "petty."

To me, that lessens the value of the lives of those who've been killed in drunk driving incidents. Imho.


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No you didn't say it was about him treating his parole responsibility as 'petty' you said the families of someone killed by a drunk driver wouldn't see it as 'petty'.

Either way. It doesn't matter really. He is not a suspect. :)



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