IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #58

[Deleted member 102539]

Can you please post the link? Tia.

https://musical.ly

I didn't saw the video here. It's the original source above.

 

[asyousay]

It happens the world over that some cases just grab the publics attention and the media help.

So for the family's who have missing children or have had children murdered and they don't get such massive media hype it's horrible but it does happen.

For example how many cases get The Madeleine McCann or Jon Benet Ramsey treatment , very few.

 

[Brighty]

Thanks for posting this.I really have to question why a quadruple homicide is being investigated by an arson team.Yes I understand that arson is what caused the deaths but shouldn't they be using a a team of homicide investigators instead of just one person as the article says,and that investigator is working on the Delphi case. Was Director Comey informed of this also?

Normally an arson investigation specialist or team investigate the fire, causes of, and person responsible, they are experts at doing that. The evidence they gather in their investigation is what is going to lead to the suspect. A person that is found dead in an arson fire is considered a homicide victim and homicide detective is assigned to investigate that part of it. If the victim died from the fire (as opposed to being murdered before the fire) then once that is established the homicide detective has to pretty much wait until the arson specialists complete their report in order to have anything to work with.

My brother was an insurance claims adjuster and worked a claim where this was the case. My brother had to wait until the arson investigator finished his report and evidence was tested so he could work on the insurance fraud part of the case because the owner was shown to be the arsonist by the evidence in that case. The detective involved also had to wait on the arson investigator; the case was then built and put together and then the arsonist was arrested on multiple charges. It was a very complicated process and my brother was at times extremely frustrated; it also took a long time to put it all together. The process did work, the man was convicted of arson, murder, insurance fraud and still in prison though it happened years ago.

Fire investigation is a tedious process and the more the structure is damaged by the fire the more tedious it becomes. They have to literally sift through the ashes and locate evidence as they sift, it can take a long time. A good fire investigator is absolutely amazing to watch during the process. Very dedicated professionals, unsung heroes because most people don't know what they do or how important their job truly is.

 

[SonnieM]

Indeed, as referenced by my screen shot:

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[asyousay]

Now we are nearly at the 3 month mark do people still think this will be solved ?

 

[GMF3]

Alright, here we go. I've read every WS post, every rumor on SM and don't feel like I'm any farther ahead in what's going on then I did on day one. Boy are you guys passionate here. Holy Toledo.

The is my first post to WS and likely my last. Love the site and came here as a result of Libby and Abbie. You know how the FBI mentioned someone taking an unusual interest in this case, I'm definitely that guy.

This is all my opinion only.

Do you remember, about 3000 posts back, someone posted and said that they had information from someone connected to LE? Yeah yeah, I know, not a verified insider, but still. She made a great point. And I agree.

Often times, the simplest answer is the answer. This isn't a SK or anything crazy like that, this is a local issue. Initially, I'm not sure that LE knew and based on the horrific details of the murders, reacted quickly. We all know how much traffic is around the area with truckers etc. It would have almost been negligent not to take nation wide action, in my mind.

RL is and isn't involved. He's only involved by way of possibly knowing the guilty parties or somehow assisting, but unknowingly. Basically, he got caught up.

I really think that only one of the girls was the true target and it's a result of something local. I don't know what exactly that is. Whether retaliation etc. I think there are multiple people out there that know the truth but, again, small town, and will not come forward.

I don't believe the girls were taken anywhere. That night was an unorganized search for the most part. I spent many years in search and rescue and have been involved in similar situations. It's extremely tough to find someone in the dark. Especially if they're dead. I think they just weren't found.

I don't mean to sound cold when I say this, but I really don't think this will be as "exciting" as some would like to make it. Take a look at the trail and the bridge for instance. You have to have very detailed knowledge of the area to even be there. This isn't a random predator that saw an opportunity and took it, that happens at the mall, or the park etc. This was way off the road. The person that did this was specifically there for the girls. He had a plan in place and executed. I believe he likely parked in the cemetery. If he drove there at all. From everything that I've seen, that makes the most sense. To me anyways.

I respect each one of your posts. Like I said, you're a passionate bunch.

Finally. Think for a second, based on the victims, their ages and the suspected violent nature for which they were killed, I think we'd be hearing a lot more from LE if this case had gone cold. I'm fairly certain that they know the story for the most part and are just trying to connect the dots and DNA. This is going to be a hard case to eventually crack, but they will and I think we'll all be surprised that it truly was a local thing vs. some crazed lunatic driving around looking for victims. I wouldn't be surprised if no sexual assault took place.

It's obvious to me that they'll seek the death penalty and want an air tight case that will result in a conviction. That requires patience, both on their part and ours. And while I'd love to hear some LE leaks, I'm extremely impressed with how many leaks there have been. Virtually none and that's crazy considering how many people were involved.

All my opinion of course. Good day to you all.

 

[jillybean51]

Alright, here we go. I've read every WS post, every rumor on SM and don't feel like I'm any farther ahead in what's going on then I did on day one. Boy are you guys passionate here. Holy Toledo.

The is my first post to WS and likely my last. Love the site and came here as a result of Libby and Abbie. You know how the FBI mentioned someone taking an unusual interest in this case, I'm definitely that guy.

This is all my opinion only.

Do you remember, about 3000 posts back, someone posted and said that they had information from someone connected to LE? Yeah yeah, I know, not a verified insider, but still. She made a great point. And I agree.

Often times, the simplest answer is the answer. This isn't a SK or anything crazy like that, this is a local issue. Initially, I'm not sure that LE knew and based on the horrific details of the murders, reacted quickly. We all know how much traffic is around the area with truckers etc. It would have almost been negligent not to take nation wide action, in my mind.

RL is and isn't involved. He's only involved by way of possibly knowing the guilty parties or somehow assisting, but unknowingly. Basically, he got caught up.

I really think that only one of the girls was the true target and it's a result of something local. I don't know what exactly that is. Whether retaliation etc. I think there are multiple people out there that know the truth but, again, small town, and will not come forward.

I don't believe the girls were taken anywhere. That night was an unorganized search for the most part. I spent many years in search and rescue and have been involved in similar situations. It's extremely tough to find someone in the dark. Especially if they're dead. I think they just weren't found.

I don't mean to sound cold when I say this, but I really don't think this will be as "exciting" as some would like to make it. Take a look at the trail and the bridge for instance. You have to have very detailed knowledge of the area to even be there. This isn't a random predator that saw an opportunity and took it, that happens at the mall, or the park etc. This was way off the road. The person that did this was specifically there for the girls. He had a plan in place and executed. I believe he likely parked in the cemetery. If he drove there at all. From everything that I've seen, that makes the most sense. To me anyways.

I respect each one of your posts. Like I said, you're a passionate bunch.

Finally. Think for a second, based on the victims, their ages and the suspected violent nature for which they were killed, I think we'd be hearing a lot more from LE if this case had gone cold. I'm fairly certain that they know the story for the most part and are just trying to connect the dots and DNA. This is going to be a hard case to eventually crack, but they will and I think we'll all be surprised that it truly was a local thing vs. some crazed lunatic driving around looking for victims. I wouldn't be surprised if no sexual assault took place.

It's obvious to me that they'll seek the death penalty and want an air tight case that will result in a conviction. That requires patience, both on their part and ours. And while I'd love to hear some LE leaks, I'm extremely impressed with how many leaks there have been. Virtually none and that's crazy considering how many people were involved.

All my opinion of course. Good day to you all.

Can you give some examples of local issues? Do you think it was something personal as pertaining to drugs or perhaps a romantic involvement. Thanks in advance and please stick around![emoji4]


Always my opinion only [emoji230]

 

[asyousay]

The problem I have with a local doing this is for some kind of revenge why go after both girls ?

This guy to me is too confident for it to be a one off for me and he has done this before. How ballsy do you have to be to kidnap two girls out in the open in broad daylight ?

 

[gregjrichards]

Now we are nearly at the 3 month mark do people still think this will be solved ?

I think it will but it is going to take time it's not an easy case for law enforcement to solve. They are not going to rest until this monster is behind bars for this crime.

 

[ocgrad]

Alright, here we go. I've read every WS post, every rumor on SM and don't feel like I'm any farther ahead in what's going on then I did on day one. Boy are you guys passionate here. Holy Toledo.

The is my first post to WS and likely my last. Love the site and came here as a result of Libby and Abbie. You know how the FBI mentioned someone taking an unusual interest in this case, I'm definitely that guy.

This is all my opinion only.

Do you remember, about 3000 posts back, someone posted and said that they had information from someone connected to LE? Yeah yeah, I know, not a verified insider, but still. She made a great point. And I agree.

Often times, the simplest answer is the answer. This isn't a SK or anything crazy like that, this is a local issue. Initially, I'm not sure that LE knew and based on the horrific details of the murders, reacted quickly. We all know how much traffic is around the area with truckers etc. It would have almost been negligent not to take nation wide action, in my mind.

RL is and isn't involved. He's only involved by way of possibly knowing the guilty parties or somehow assisting, but unknowingly. Basically, he got caught up.

I really think that only one of the girls was the true target and it's a result of something local. I don't know what exactly that is. Whether retaliation etc. I think there are multiple people out there that know the truth but, again, small town, and will not come forward.

I don't believe the girls were taken anywhere. That night was an unorganized search for the most part. I spent many years in search and rescue and have been involved in similar situations. It's extremely tough to find someone in the dark. Especially if they're dead. I think they just weren't found.

I don't mean to sound cold when I say this, but I really don't think this will be as "exciting" as some would like to make it. Take a look at the trail and the bridge for instance. You have to have very detailed knowledge of the area to even be there. This isn't a random predator that saw an opportunity and took it, that happens at the mall, or the park etc. This was way off the road. The person that did this was specifically there for the girls. He had a plan in place and executed. I believe he likely parked in the cemetery. If he drove there at all. From everything that I've seen, that makes the most sense. To me anyways.

I respect each one of your posts. Like I said, you're a passionate bunch.

Finally. Think for a second, based on the victims, their ages and the suspected violent nature for which they were killed, I think we'd be hearing a lot more from LE if this case had gone cold. I'm fairly certain that they know the story for the most part and are just trying to connect the dots and DNA. This is going to be a hard case to eventually crack, but they will and I think we'll all be surprised that it truly was a local thing vs. some crazed lunatic driving around looking for victims. I wouldn't be surprised if no sexual assault took place.

It's obvious to me that they'll seek the death penalty and want an air tight case that will result in a conviction. That requires patience, both on their part and ours. And while I'd love to hear some LE leaks, I'm extremely impressed with how many leaks there have been. Virtually none and that's crazy considering how many people were involved.

All my opinion of course. Good day to you all.

Great post.
I completely agree with you on all points except that I do believe they were abducted there on the road at the south end of the bridge and brought back to the north side later.
Thanks for posting!

 

[whiskers]

The problem I have with a local doing this is for some kind of revenge why go after both girls ?

This guy to me is too confident for it to be a one off for me and he has done this before. How ballsy do you have to be to kidnap two girls out in the open in broad daylight ?

If it's a local, I think it's a rage/revenge killing.

Something going on in his life or the girls' life caused intense anger in him.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://nypost.com/2017/02/22/slain-teen-recorded-mans-voice-before-she-was-killed/

“Why Libby? Why Abby? Why Delphi? Why Carroll County? Why the region, why the state, why even the nation? I say that because this is a classic example that evil lives amongst us.”

Each year the annual Old Settlers celebration brings Carroll County natives back to Delphi to see many friends. Some come from great distances to mark another year and attend the traditional Old Settlers Association...

http://casscountycalendar.com/wp_site/events-cass-county-indiana/action~oneday/exact_date~8-14-2016/

Maybe the perp/s participated in this annual event and knew Delphi because of that?

 

[KellyNoonan]

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Often times, the simplest answer is the answer. This isn't a SK or anything crazy like that, this is a local issue.

This is going to be a hard case to eventually crack, but they will and I think we'll all be surprised that it truly was a local thing vs. some crazed lunatic driving around looking for victims. I wouldn't be surprised if no sexual assault took place.

OMG...this post. Thank you, whoever you are. You are my websleuth soulmate. Everything you said is what I believe, and have believed for a long time. Literally, every single thing you said. Hope to hear more from you.



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[SonnieM]

"One Flora, Ind. resident said he doesn’t know why, but police asked if they could question him Thursday.

He told 24-Hour News 8 he agreed to a cotton swab test and let police search his phone before they let him go.

The man said police asked, “if I was out on the trails and if I knew the two girls.”

He said he was not on the trails Monday afternoon."
http://wishtv.com/2017/02/16/police-question-multiple-people-in-delphi-girls-murders/

This is very interesting... this part of the interview

The man said police asked, “if I was out on the trails and if I knew the two girls.”He said he was not on the trails Monday afternoon.

He said he was not on the trails but did not say he didn't know the girls?? Did he know them???

 

[GMF3]

Oh gosh... Local can be just about anything. Everyone is in everyone else's business in small communities. At least in my experience.

It could be love, sex, drugs, politics, money. You name it. There are some interesting rumors out there that would be way out of TOS, some of which I wouldn't respectfully repeat anyways. Again, everyone is involved in everyone else's business. This is the main factor here.

I believe only one person was targeted as it's more likely in my mind that both girls aren't likely involved in the same issue. Maybe knowledge of yes, but, I think that day provided the best opportunity to resolve whatever issue it was. This falls in line with LE's early comments which basically eluded to the fact that one of them could have basically escaped but instead stayed to protect the other.

I also believe that the brutality of the crime was a result of someone's dark fantasies that they were able to act on as a result of the their main mission. The local issue.

All my opinion of course.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

Oh gosh... Local can be just about anything. Everyone is in everyone else's business in small communities. At least in my experience.

It could be love, sex, drugs, politics, money. You name it. There are some interesting rumors out there that would be way out of TOS, some of which I wouldn't respectfully repeat anyways. Again, everyone is involved in everyone else's business. This is the main factor here.

I believe only one person was targeted as it's more likely in my mind that both girls aren't likely involved in the same issue. Maybe knowledge of yes, but, I think that day provided the best opportunity to resolve whatever issue it was. This falls in line with LE's early comments which basically eluded to the fact that one of them could have basically escaped but instead stayed to protect the other.

I also believe that the brutality of the crime was a result of someone's dark fantasies that they were able to act on as a result of the their main mission. The local issue.

All my opinion of course.

I totally disagree with almost everything you said. We have been over and over the local angle numerous times and although most of us are not experts we have pretty good investigative skills. What is your expertise to speak so authoritatively? Some of us believe LE is on to a serial killer and have a lot of information to theorize that in the form of other cases that may be related. Time will tell which Sleuths were correct or close to being correct. You do have a right to your opinion although you allude to a lot of things which you don't back up imo.

 

[Spiritecho]

Oh gosh... Local can be just about anything. Everyone is in everyone else's business in small communities. At least in my experience.

It could be love, sex, drugs, politics, money. You name it. There are some interesting rumors out there that would be way out of TOS, some of which I wouldn't respectfully repeat anyways. Again, everyone is involved in everyone else's business. This is the main factor here.

I believe only one person was targeted as it's more likely in my mind that both girls aren't likely involved in the same issue. Maybe knowledge of yes, but, I think that day provided the best opportunity to resolve whatever issue it was. This falls in line with LE's early comments which basically eluded to the fact that one of them could have basically escaped but instead stayed to protect the other.

I also believe that the brutality of the crime was a result of someone's dark fantasies that they were able to act on as a result of the their main mission. The local issue.

All my opinion of course.

In your opinion GMF3, is it closer to a family member? ex-family member? do you feel BG is younger/older? Thank you for your thoughts...very clear..very simple. I agree with 95% of it, I'm on the fence about the SA. Seems almost more execution/teach a lesson at times...I go back and forth so much.

 

[MistyWaters]

I was just looking for the quote about staying together. It was a comment by MP. It's well known that LE often script the family prior to media interviews with very specific things they want them to say in order to deliver a intentional message to the perp -

“They stuck together. I don’t know exactly what happened out there that day, but I imagine there was probably an opportunity for one, or both, to separate and try to make a break different ways, but those girls loved each other,” said Patty. “They were good friends, neither one of them left each other’s side.”
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/delphi-indiana-who-were-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams

And then this as well -

Liberty's grandfather, Dennis Bridge, 59, told DailyMail.com: 'She was a strong-willed girl, she put up a fight.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html#ixzz4gnKeaCaT
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[asyousay]

I was just looking for the quote about staying together. It was a comment by MP. It's well known that LE often script the family prior to media interviews with very specific things they want them to say in order to deliver a intentional message to the perp -

“They stuck together. I don’t know exactly what happened out there that day, but I imagine there was probably an opportunity for one, or both, to separate and try to make a break different ways, but those girls loved each other,” said Patty. “They were good friends, neither one of them left each other’s side.”
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/delphi-indiana-who-were-liberty-german-and-abigail-williams

And then this as well -

Liberty's grandfather, Dennis Bridge, 59, told DailyMail.com: 'She was a strong-willed girl, she put up a fight.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Indiana-teens-speaks-out.html#ixzz4gnKeaCaT
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I wonder if Libby injurys indicate that she put up a fight and I am convinced Libby could of escaped as I'm sure BG had Abby first IMO

 

[cluciano63]

I am leaning less toward a local as LE makes it sound as though they still don't know who BG is, still going through the last of the tips, and optimism is not high. Also because I believe if BG was a local, known to one or both girls, his identity would have been known very quickly. If they knew him, others know him. He would not be so impossible to identify, even from the almost useless image. Someone who knows him would recognize him.

I also don't believe LE would sound so pessimistic if they knew lots about the motive and killer. They have a scared community on their hands and I believe they would say nothing, rather than say "opimism is low".