IN - Abigail Williams, 13, & Liberty German, 14, Delphi, 13 Feb 2017 #60

[Wild Rose]

So well said. :loveyou:

I have asked in the past if anyone could provide a link to a random man who killed two young teen girls because he 'snapped' or they made him angry. Two young teens in a remote area. Still waiting for that link.

No link, but defense instructors do tell women to do whatever they have to do to stay alive with a rapist because you may want to avoid angering a rapist if you have to, to stay alive.

 

[Crwhitlock]

No link, but defense instructors do tell women to do whatever they have to do to stay alive with a rapist because you may want to avoid angering a rapist if you have to, to stay alive.

A rape would definitely be a sexually motivated assault, not a random attack for no reason. Whether he kills the victim after the sexual assault or not doesn't change the fact it's a sexually motivated assault. A sexual homocide is different than a rape as a sexual murderer derives a lot of the satisfaction from the killing itself. Some rapists kill their victims afterwards to try and avoid being caught, this is also different from a man who kills during the sexual assault because the killing itself is a big part of the sexual satisfaction, the power and ownership taking the life gives them.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

No link, but defense instructors do tell women to do whatever they have to do to stay alive with a rapist because you may want to avoid angering a rapist if you have to, to stay alive.

As smart and street savvy as the girls in this case were they were no match for this predator. I hope they get him soon before he finds other vulnerable girls or young women to add to his resume. Can't fathom how evil a person would have to be to take the lives of two innocent girls. Next time he may run into a woman who also has her own weapon and then see how tough he is. That would be justice too. He left a photo and voice and if he thought he was so smart capturing two young girls it has to really bother him how stupid he was. He underestimated his prey this time imo.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

If LE does have a notion of who murdered these girls, what would their surveillance tactics look like while they gathered sufficient proof? Gps monitor? Can they tap cell phones? Cctv camera set near the home or business?

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That's the beauty of the FBI and LE. I'm sure they have tactics we have no idea about and that's how it should be imo.

 

[Wild Rose]

Is there a FBI field office near where Lyric and Elizabeth were killed? Just wondering out loud.

There is an FBI office very close to Evansdale, Iowa in Waterloo, Iowa.

 

[Steleheart]

Sorry, as my posting has had been one of the last in previous thread 59, I want to repeat my question. What I´m dealing with is, wether or not possible screams of the girls at the creek may or may not been heard by hikers on the trail at the same time, as acoustic noise from the creek in general could perhaps not reach the higher up situated trail.

What do you think?


Thank you for answers.

I have watched videos of the bridge and the creek and sometimes it flows fast and sometimes slower. I recall that in the back threads somewhere someone posted a table of water levels in Delphi at that time and the water was high. I believe that with the bridge height, the trees, and the rushing of water that where they were found,
Struggles and yelling would not be heard easily from the bridge. I also think that BG knew that and that if he did this below the bridge that sound would carry right up. But across the creek, behind the bank and the trees, the creak itself would block most sounds.

JMO

 

[Hazelnutty]

I have changed theories a few times since feb14. Since RL's search warrants I've always got him somewhere in my theory. Right now : he knows a really vile person and is scared of him. Maybe not as much scared for himself as for his family.

<modsnip> People are scared to be the one who talks. Scared for their children, grandchildren, family.

Perhaps they know that turning them in is the right thing, but they are afraid. <modsnip>

Anyhow, all JMO

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[Burnt Toast]

Imo the number of LE and FBI has not been reduced. There are a lot of unsolved murders of children and if this is a SK and they have DNA they may be at their own offices looking at other cases that might be related. When this is all over I think several cases will be solved and a SK will be in custody.

LE said early on they did not feel it was a serial killer. in fact, they said it is likely that it is someone local.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...se-dont-spread-rumors-in-delphi-investigation Police ask the public to stop rumors of a serial killer.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...se-dont-spread-rumors-in-delphi-investigation

http://fox59.com/2017/03/13/police-...est-a-month-into-delphi-murder-investigation/

they have greatly reduced the number of LE and FBI through the "normalization" process.http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...me-base-continue-to-search-for-murder-suspect

 

[whiskers]

It wasn't a robbery. It wasn't a gang war. It wasn't a drive by stray bullet. It wasn't a bar fight that escalated. Yeah I guess it could have been a "hit" <modsnip>. <modsnip> David Berkowitz, "Son of Sam", never made any physical contact with his victims yet his murders were sexually motivated. He would "pleasure himself" after the killings by reliving the crime and the power it made him feel. Prior to killing, he was an arsonist, and after starting the fires he would watch from a distance and "pleasure himself" again at the power he felt from it. Human beings are very sexual creatures, much more than we realize. I don't know of a serial killer in history who wasn't sexually motivated. I'm not saying BG is a serial killer, but he's cut from the same cloth. if he isn't caught he will likely become one eventually. Hopefully it doesn't take that happening to catch him.

There is a lot of meth use and dealing in Delphi and the county. <modsnip> A 'hit' doesn't necessarily mean a Chicago south side drive by.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I think he absolutely woke up that day with murder on his mind, like he probably does most days. This is a predator with a dangerously warped pathology. I'm not sure what "snapped" means or how it would occur with children he didn't know, but normal men don't wake up one day and just happen to find themselves in a remote woods killing two 12 years old girls. That's not an accident. How would an adult man end up in a random deadly confrontation with two 12 year old girls out of the blue. Yes murders happen every day that aren't sexually motivated. Those are murders that occur between peers and people that know each other. Not with strangers. Especially not with strangers when one is an adult man and the victims are female children.

I think the few facts we have serve to validate this. In the recording the man is calm, calculated. Ordering them off the trail and into the woods where people won't be around. He's not yelling at them nor are they at him, nothing to indicate an altercation. The whole basis of the recording is that Libby turned her recorder on when she sensed they were in danger. The man was still approaching when she turned the recorder on, so she felt they were in danger before any kind of altercation could have occurred. Her spider sense went off when she sensed a predator approaching.

What an awesome kid, so smart. She would have grown up to be an incredible woman. This Perp must pay for robbing the world of what might have been; both Libby and Abby.

 

[rosesfromangels]

LE said early on they did not feel it was a serial killer. in fact, they said it is likely that it is someone local.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...se-dont-spread-rumors-in-delphi-investigation Police ask the public to stop rumors of a serial killer.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...se-dont-spread-rumors-in-delphi-investigation

http://fox59.com/2017/03/13/police-...est-a-month-into-delphi-murder-investigation/

they have greatly reduced the number of LE and FBI through the "normalization" process.http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...me-base-continue-to-search-for-murder-suspect

Why couldn't a "local" be a serial killer? They live somewhere...it could just as easily be Delphi, or a close surrounding town.

 

[St. Anthony2017]

LE said early on they did not feel it was a serial killer. in fact, they said it is likely that it is someone local.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...se-dont-spread-rumors-in-delphi-investigation Police ask the public to stop rumors of a serial killer.


http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...se-dont-spread-rumors-in-delphi-investigation

http://fox59.com/2017/03/13/police-...est-a-month-into-delphi-murder-investigation/

they have greatly reduced the number of LE and FBI through the "normalization" process.http://www.theindychannel.com/news/...me-base-continue-to-search-for-murder-suspect

Thanks for all the documentation. Only time will tell who did this and hopefully why. LE has not told us much by design so I think that leaves speculation about a SK on the table. It's not rumors about it being a SK. A lot of plausible reasons have been offered by a lot of us about how it could be a SK.

 

[Bird of Paradise]

There is a lot of meth use and dealing in Delphi and the county. <modsnip> A 'hit' doesn't necessarily mean a Chicago south side drive by.

So maybe a local or maybe not?

Why the billboards? That question keeps coming up.

 

[Burnt Toast]

I have changed theories a few times since feb14. Since RL's search warrants I've always got him somewhere in my theory. Right now : he knows a really vile person and is scared of him. Maybe not as much scared for himself as for his family.

<modsnip> People are scared to be the one who talks. Scared for their children, grandchildren, family.

<modsnip>

Anyhow, all JMO

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i just can't see a "hit" on a 13 and 14 year old girl. i highly doubt that someone from LE or a city official is responsible for the murders of these girls.

 

[Burnt Toast]

So maybe a local or maybe not?

Why the billboards? That question keeps coming up.

why did the billboards come down?

 

[Beth11311]

i just can't see a "hit" on a 13 and 14 year old girl. i highly doubt that someone from LE or a city official is responsible for the murders of these girls.

Agreed. This in no way speaks to me as a hit. IMO


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[Bird of Paradise]

why did the billboards come down?

Don't know. I'm not in a state that has them. Don't know what the protocol or standard length of time something remains on them before they move on to something else.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Thanks for all the documentation. Only time will tell who did this and hopefully why. LE has not told us much by design so I think that leaves speculation about a SK on the table. It's not rumors about it being a SK. A lot of plausible reasons have been offered by a lot of us about how it could be a SK.

i take my ques from what little LE shares. they have never given the slightest indication that it could be a SK. i feel strongly that it is a local who is very familiar with the bridge, the creek and trails. i just can't see a local being a SK. to me that is not plausible. this was no stranger who was new to the surroundings. this person knew exactly where he was taking the girls. he did not happenstance upon the CS. that is right where he wanted to take them.

 

[whiskers]

So maybe a local or maybe not?

Why the billboards? That question keeps coming up.

I've always stood by my feeling that the billboard space was donated. Maybe a CEO or someone in the e-board company is originally from Indiana. If the case hit close to home, boom, donated space immediately.

 

[Burnt Toast]

Don't know. I'm not in a state that has them. Don't know what the protocol or standard length of time something remains on them before they move on to something else.

they took the ones down in my state the third week of march, which was the same time they greatly reduced the number of LE working the case. coincidence? i don't know.