IN - Lauren Spierer, 20, Bloomington, 03 June 2011 - #13

[cluciano63]

Maybe a little off topic, maybe not...I just find this interesting and a possibility in this case that something like this might have happened...
Jamie Minor, missing from Austin Texas since May 23, was discovered yesterday (June 27) in an elevator shaft about a quarter of a mile from where she was last seen at her job a the W hotel. Her supervisor said she was acting strangely and was about to send her home when she left on her own. This is under investigation and a mystery as to how and why she ended up there... can't seem to link but if you are interested, look at www.kvue.com (that is a local Austin news station) to see more details as they unfold.

Truly bizarre...

 

[jennyb629]

I read that this morning and thought of LS too. This girl was trying to enter through a door, but was unable too, so she is seen on camera going around back where she apparently entered a vent shaft and crawled around in there and became trapped. So odd, and could be a possibility here that she wandered somewhere else and just wasn't found.
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/n...-Dead-in-Exhaust-Duct-20110627-ktbcw_13877276

That is scary. I do think something like this is a definite possibility...I really wish I lived anywhere near IN and could go search...it is frustrating only being able to read/write about this case and not help.

 

[Whatever1]

To Tony Gatto...I was wondering the same thing about LS not entering her apartment that night. This is a bump from an old post.

The Keys bother me too...why would she forget her cellphone, but remember her keys.

Why would she go to her apartment, but not go in?

Why would she take the chance of walking CR down the alley to his apartment, after being struck in the face? I would be afraid they would follow and do much worse second time around.

Why not go into her apartment at that time? Fear of her boyfriend finding out? Doubt it...it didn't seem to bother her earlier or later in the evening that she was being seen in public with him.

If I forgot my keys too, I wouldn't enter my apartment. Another person up at 3:00 in the morning trying to remember it what time it was that he saw the keys and another trying to remember that he moved the keys. Was he sober? or was he guessing on the time he found the keys. Estimating even an half hour during this could be a big deal.

Something is just not right about this...where was the roommate again?

 

[Gabby66]

I think you are letting drug use cloud your perspective a little. Maybe not.. but in any case, when I was in college, I hung out with a wide circle of friends. Most partied, some did not. Most of the partiers were just as close to the non-partiers as they were to the partiers and vice-versa. So entirely possible that JW wasn't as into it than some of his closest friends.
But do remember the JW also had a public intoxication charge... he was no angel either as far as binge drinking it seems.


AA was named in MSM as a person who spotted LS keys in the alley, or on the railing. His friend (not named) I believe was the one who moved the keys from the ground to the railing.

Thanks - I understand who found the keys but was thinking his initials were AB. Dang, why do these kids all have to have similar initials? LOL So who was AB??

As for the drugs clouding my judgement, that's possible. However I have read that ZO was a bit of a "", on which I was basing my opinion of their friendship. There are LOTS of kids in college with public intox/open container/underage charges. I don't think that necessarily means JW or any of them are binge drinkers. Some of them barely register on the meter. My own son got a charge for being .01, after admitting to taking a drink of someone's beer (when he was underage) to swallow a Tylenol. (I saw the report). He was literally told that had he not admitted it, he wouldn't have been charged b/c it was less than having had a swig of mouthwash. He did as we've always taught him - be honest - but it didn't pay off. The fact remains, he was underage and broke the law - but come on....He now has an "underage drinking" on his record. LE was out in full force that night, trying to prove that they will bust off-campus parties and underage drinking. I look at JW in this way - good kid who's made a few dumb decisions (as they all do). Maybe I'm wrong.

Back to JW/ZO - what is the connection other than the fraternity?
edited to change that I look at JW in this way (as opposed to ZO as I'd originally written)

 

[Whatever1]

I know that adults have a responsibility to themselves; however, I think it's about time that when young kids are kicked out of bars for being too intoxicated, it's the same time, we call the police, get them escorted home, instead of totally smashed, kicked out on their own with no one looking over them.

 

[Gabby66]

To Tony Gatto...I was wondering the same thing about LS not entering her apartment that night. This is a bump from an old post.

The Keys bother me too...why would she forget her cellphone, but remember her keys.

Why would she go to her apartment, but not go in?

Why would she take the chance of walking CR down the alley to his apartment, after being struck in the face? I would be afraid they would follow and do much worse second time around.

Why not go into her apartment at that time? Fear of her boyfriend finding out? Doubt it...it didn't seem to bother her earlier or later in the evening that she was being seen in public with him.

If I forgot my keys too, I wouldn't enter my apartment. Another person up at 3:00 in the morning trying to remember it what time it was that he saw the keys and another trying to remember that he moved the keys. Was he sober? or was he guessing on the time he found the keys. Estimating even an half hour during this could be a big deal.

Something is just not right about this...where was the roommate again?

Hmmm You brought up a good point. Perhaps she lost her keys in the alley on the way TO the bar, then they weren't discovered until 3ish. This could be why she didn't enter her apartment. However, I get the impression that her keys/coin purse was one of those "wristlets" that the girls all carry now. They just loop onto your wrist and usually stay put. That would explain why she could have left the bar with it, yet not her shoes or phone. It sounds more and more likely to me, that she left that bar in a hurry. I think that if they kicked her out, they surely would have let her get her keys. I think it's likely that something was starting to flair up in the bar, they quickly left and ran to her apt. for "cover". Once there, CR saw the boys on the 5th floor waiting for him, and he tried to leave. He was punched in the face, tried to bolt, and she took off after him. How did her wristlet come off? I tend to now believe the "activity" in the alley may have been another scuffle of some sort, during which she either removed the wristlet or it flung off as she was trying to push someone away. This theory also supports why she would have wanted to leave JR's.....she perhaps never intended to go down that street to "sleepover" anywhere. She was only following CR home to ensure he was OK. This also supports why she may have wanted to go to JW's house. She was still ramped up over the fight/argument, and wanted to talk with him about it, or wanted consoled. If that's true, maybe she either didn't make it or something happened once she was there. I'm kind of buying into this more and more. Tomorrow, I probably won't. LOL

 

[kissdegirl]

One odd aspect of this case is how closely it parallels the Morgan Harrington case. The victims' belongings scattered, rumors of OD followed by a panic, "friends" in quotation marks ... If this crime occured in VA, wouldn't we all be considering the unidentified man in the 2005 Fairfax sketch?

LS even looks somewhat like MH.

(Rumor has it that MH was last seen traveling with a group of men in a van -- from an unreliable source).

Is it possible that there is some sick group preying on college students?
Could there be any link between the two victims, however distant they may seem? Both victims were interested in art, fashion, social causes and travel.

Does UI share staff or coordinate programs in any way with UVA/VTech?

JMO: The Fairfax "Sketch" may be a graduate student or professional associated with UVA or VTech.

I really found this idea intriguing. I have thought off and on about similarities in these 2 cases. Certainly, for me, the details of LS' night make me think it was someone she knew and had interacted with that same night that is responsible for at least hiding her body. BUT, I don't think that it is impossible that someone else picked her up, and certainly someone with an interest in blonde college coeds. How many miles away was Morgan's body found from where she was last seen? TIA

 

[elmomom]

Thanks - I understand who found the keys but was thinking his initials were AB. Dang, why do these kids all have to have similar initials? LOL So who was AB??

As for the drugs clouding my judgement, that's possible. However I have read that ZO was a bit of a "", on which I was basing my opinion of their friendship. There are LOTS of kids in college with public intox/open container/underage charges. I don't think that necessarily means JW or any of them are binge drinkers. Some of them barely register on the meter. My own son got a charge for being .01, after admitting to taking a drink of someone's beer (when he was underage) to swallow a Tylenol. (I saw the report). He was literally told that had he not admitted it, he wouldn't have been charged b/c it was less than having had a swig of mouthwash. He did as we've always taught him - be honest - but it didn't pay off. The fact remains, he was underage and broke the law - but come on....He now has an "underage drinking" on his record. LE was out in full force that night, trying to prove that they will bust off-campus parties and underage drinking. I look at ZO in this way - good kid who's made a few dumb decisions (as they all do). Maybe I'm wrong.

Back to JW/ZO - what is the connection other than the fraternity?

-->disclaimer! this all comes from the swirling mass of rumors out there on various comment threads and forums. it is not to be regarded as factual in the least.

ZO is assumed to be a friend of JW since the first descriptions of the altercation included the description that it was JWs friends. Then ZO was rumored to be the puncher. Conclusion, ZO = JW friend. I do not think it is much more than that.
AB is rumored to be ZO's roommate. I do know for 100% certainty that they went to HS together. I saw them both in a online HS newspaper. I do not want to print the link because I think it is wrong to identify either of these two since it is only rumor that they are at all involved, in ANYTHING. He fits the description of the so-called "mystery man" extremely well. Rumor has it that they both live in 10th and College (or College&10th ? IDR) the name of the building that has the covered walkway, the clock and the sighting of so-called mystery man.

Also, public intox. is not the same as underage drinking imho

 

[Chris007]

So maybe she left her cell & shoes at Kilroys because she & CR were escorted out quickly due to an altercation. I thought it was said somewhere maybe PT that DR lives on the 5th floor. Maybe they were stopping by there to pick up more party supplies. Since CR was punched in the face, they had to meet the person in the alley for the purchase. They were out there for 11 minutes so it would take a while for him to get out there. Just a thought.

 

[Ven]

From all of the stories, here's some good working assumptions:

1. Lauren and b/f JW are in a fight of some sort, or had broken up.
(did he graduate?...maybe she is looking for her next IU b/f when he leaves?)

2. For some reason (perhaps an online or phone fight with JW), Lauren suddenly leaves Smallwood to go to 5 North.
Did she go there to pre-party with JR? Or to meet up with recent male acquaintance CR?

3. She spends 45 mins at the bar and gets kicked out for being completely wasted/loaded.

4. She was either already with, or somehow meets up with CR, they get touchy-feely with each other, and head back to her place.

5. Her boyfriend's frat brothers confront Lauren and CR at Smallwood, punch the guy for having his hands all over Lauren,
and CR bolts out of the building, with Lauren following him.

6. Lauren is seen walking with a male (presumably CR) back to his room at 5 North.

7. Although the official story is that Lauren helped CR's roommate MB put CR to bed from his injury,
considering that he had no real signs of physical injury, nor did he ever consult a doctor about a concussion, this story is possibly bogus.
Maybe they fooled around, maybe they drank / used drugs, or maybe CR did indeed go to sleep.

8. After she's done with CR, Lauren heads a couple doors down to her friend JR's apartment.
At the very least, we know that JR, his out of town friend, and Lauren were in that apartment.
There could have been more people, either for the entire time, or part of the time Lauren was there, we just don't know.

9. ?????
Either, as JR says, she decided to go home around 4:30 a.m. and he watched her round the corner on her way home,
or his story is simply not true.

Conclusions:

Either something more nefarious happened at 5 North, and Lauren never left JR's apartment alive, or at least did not leave that building alive,
and JR and/or his friend and/or other persons know what happened to her,
Accidental overdose, or murder, or whatever,

OR

JW, very upset over relationship difficulties with Lauren, confronted her that night and killed her in an act of rage,
either after she left JR's, as he said,
or perhaps he even went to JR's that night and left with her.

I think those are the only possibilities that make any sense to me.

 

[Blythe]

From the alley we are told she goes to MB/CR's. Has she missed her cell phone yet? She doesn't have the thought to retrieve her cell as Kilroy's closes?

 

[LillieBelle]

Truly bizarre...

Yes it is, in fact the headline on the news is "bizarre disappearence", btw, foul play is not suspected in the case of Jamie Minor...
I know LE has said they checked all of the area, as I am sure APD did when this girl was reported missing. And as someone mentioned, they did see her on cameras and still took over a month to find her...

 

[jynkal]

Thanks - I understand who found the keys but was thinking his initials were AB. Dang, why do these kids all have to have similar initials? LOL So who was AB??

I believe AB saw the keys on the ground and even moved them from the ground to the railing, but was not the person who turned them in.

 

[LillieBelle]

From all of the stories, here's some good working assumptions:

1. Lauren and b/f JW are in a fight of some sort, or had broken up.
(did he graduate?...maybe she is looking for her next IU b/f when he leaves?)

2. For some reason (perhaps an online or phone fight with JW), Lauren suddenly leaves Smallwood to go to 5 North.
Did she go there to pre-party with JR? Or to meet up with recent male acquaintance CR?

3. She spends 45 mins at the bar and gets kicked out for being completely wasted/loaded.

4. She was either already with, or somehow meets up with CR, they get touchy-feely with each other, and head back to her place.

5. Her boyfriend's frat brothers confront Lauren and CR at Smallwood, punch the guy for having his hands all over Lauren,
and CR bolts out of the building, with Lauren following him.

6. Lauren is seen walking with a male (presumably CR) back to his room at 5 North.

7. Although the official story is that Lauren helped CR's roommate MB put CR to bed from his injury,
considering that he had no real signs of physical injury, nor did he ever consult a doctor about a concussion, this story is possibly bogus.
Maybe they fooled around, maybe they drank / used drugs, or maybe CR did indeed go to sleep.

8. After she's done with CR, Lauren heads a couple doors down to her friend JR's apartment.
At the very least, we know that JR, his out of town friend, and Lauren were in that apartment.
There could have been more people, either for the entire time, or part of the time Lauren was there, we just don't know.

9. ?????
Either, as JR says, she decided to go home around 4:30 a.m. and he watched her round the corner on her way home,
or his story is simply not true.

Conclusions:

Either something more nefarious happened at 5 North, and Lauren never left JR's apartment alive, or at least did not leave that building alive,
and JR and/or his friend and/or other persons know what happened to her,
Accidental overdose, or murder, or whatever,

OR

JW, very upset over relationship difficulties with Lauren, confronted her that night and killed her in an act of rage,
either after she left JR's, as he said,
or perhaps he even went to JR's that night and left with her.

I think those are the only possibilities that make any sense to me.

The other possibility is ... see recent posts about Jamie Minor. Not saying this is what happened, but weird things do happen...

 

[elmomom]

I believe AB saw the keys on the ground and even moved them from the ground to the railing, but was not the person who turned them in.

No, the last name of the person identified in MSM was Amin, not a name beginning with a B.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/search.php?searchid=4343327

 

[Chris007]

I believe AB saw the keys on the ground and even moved them from the ground to the railing, but was not the person who turned them in.

Ab is roommates with ZO who is the one who reportedly punched CR at Smallwood. There are some people out there who say they live at 10th & College. AB was also with everyone at the Indy 500. Some people think he fits the description of Tony Gatto's mystery man.

 

[Blythe]

The other possibility is ... see recent posts about Jamie Minor. Not saying this is what happened, but weird things do happen...

I agree. This has been discussed many threads ago. I believe a male Purdue student(?) was missing and found much later in an electrical utility closet.

 

[elmomom]

Ab is roommates with ZO who is the one who reportedly punched CR at Smallwood. There are some people out there who say they live at 10th & College. AB was also with everyone at the Indy 500. Some people think he fits the description of Tony Gatto's mystery man.

You state as a fact that AB was at Indy with the others, and that AB and ZO are roommates.
May I make a request? If you know this information to be true due to being a person that knows some of these people, get verified as a local.
If you "know" this info because you read it online, written by people and not an accepted authority, then can you please make sure that you do not sound like you are stating this as fact, because there is no evidence other than hearsay to confirm it.

 

[BFan]

I agree. This has been discussed many threads ago. I believe a male Purdue student(?) was missing and found much later in an electrical utility closet.

No body. No sign of foul play. No witnesses. No suspects. Simply disappeared. Hmmmmm. What could she have walked/climbed/crawled/fallen into?

 

[Blythe]

No body. No sign of foul play. No witnesses. No suspects. Simply disappeared. Hmmmmm. What could she have walked/climbed/crawled/fallen into?

A car with Michigan plates?