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I once really loved Bloomington. Had a lot of fun there. I think many of us did not want to beleive that a stalker killer like the creep Hannah Wilson met could possibly be there. But, now we know that one did. Reality sets in and we realize this may indeed be the same fate for Lauren Spierer. A creeper stalker killer. Perhaps Brown County is where she will be found.
Article giving DM as under investigation:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ndiana-university-daniel-messel-hannah-wilson
A murder trial looms for Daniel Messel, charged with killing Hannah Wilson, 22, another Indiana University student whose body was found in April 2015 after she was last seen leaving the same bar that Lauren had visited. Despite surface parallels, the Spierers have been told there’s no connection.
But police did confirm that a raid last January on a registered sex offender’s former residence was tied to a tip in the Spierer case, although no more details have been made public.
“We’re really still pretty much in the dark,” says Charlene Spierer.
She is unwavering in her belief that more than one person was involved in Lauren’s disappearance, and long frustrated by the silence of those whom she says must know something.
@Ros Here's a quote from one of the articles - It says the Spierers' have been told there is no connection to DM - I suppose that could mean either he has been ruled out (easy enough if he was not in Bloomington at the time or had an alibi) -- or that there was no evidence (yet) linking him to the case. Based on the context and tone of the comments, I read it as the former, but as we've seen over and over again, the information from LE is often open to interpretation.
http://people.com/crime/lauren-spierer-disappearance-we-live-with-it-every-day-says-mom/
In another article, DM and DH are discounted as 'wild cards' http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/new...e2bb08b53.html (Article now only available to subscribers but quoted in an earlier post)
A hopeful article from the Toronto Sun: http://m.torontosun.com/2016/11/26/...nts-worst-nightmare-may-be-close-to-be-solved
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akh I see you're here, please give a detailed surmisal of why you think DM is POI or could or should be. TIA,
Just checking in. It's good to see Ixchel13 and other familiar names are still around. I've been too busy all year, to keep up on the thread. But I do not believe Daniel Messel is involved in the Spierer case. As I say, I haven't been keeping up with the thread, but have people commented on the Indiana State Police business card found in the bag Messel was--presumably--going to dispose of, when he was caught and arrested? I don't know if the article is available for free online anywhere, but in the August 5th, 2016 Herald Times (Bloomington's local paper) in an article entitled Messel trial testimony focuses on evidence at crime scene, by Laura Lane and By Abby Tonsing, it states the following:
"[Indiana State Police crime scene investigator Chris Lewis] also testified he got to work on the contents of the clear plastic bag police say they collected from Messel's yard at the time of his arrest.
"Inside: a pair of brown Skechers shoes, a Cincinnati Reds baseball T-shirt, a pair of boxer briefs, one tan sock, 6 cents in change, scratch-off lottery tickets and an Indiana State Police business card, Lewis said."
When I read that, it made me think that Messel was using a police business card to impersonate a police officer, and that that's how he was able to get into Hannah's place, without force--and perhaps also how he might have gotten her to come with him, without force. After all, why else would he put the card in with the other guilty evidence, unless it was part of the crime?
Anyway, thought I'd share that thought, just by way of saying hello again to the group. I plan to do more investigating into the Spierer case around Bloomington when I can in the future. Based on some interviews I've done this year, I believe someone other than Messel is responsible for Lauren's disappearance. But, of course, it's a mystery.
...Remember, your interview was about Lauren, but you were at Yogi's
interviewing the ONLY eye witness to Lauren's demise, and it was the bar manager of Yogi's, DM's hangout on every Thursday night.
You did this interview BEFORE Hannah was killed. You were interviewing a witness of a possible abduction and murder; and this witness KNEW our killer DM.
Could you repost that interview? I feel like this witness holds
important keys to both investigations. Obs DM is already convicted of Hannah's murder, but the connection between the two lies with this witness, IMO.
I remember in your interview her saying that she had quit and then was rehired, but later you said she had quit again due to ....
some kind of trouble, I wonder when it was that she quit?
...
It was before Hannah was killed, but it actually wasn't at Yogi's. And she didn't mention anything about quitting and being rehired, or the circumstances under which she left her bar-manager job.
In any case, these days I tend to believe that the police were right, and that the bar-manager witness saw CR and Lauren shortly after 2:30 am, not 3:38, on their way to his place. In which case, we're back to the official story, and the most probable thing is that events starting going wrong at 5 North Townhomes, after CR and Lauren arrived there subsequent to 2:51 am, and the secrecy and lying start from there.
It was before Hannah was killed, but it actually wasn't at Yogi's. And she didn't mention anything about quitting and being rehired, or the circumstances under which she left her bar-manager job.
In any case, these days I tend to believe that the police were right, and that the bar-manager witness saw CR and Lauren shortly after 2:30 am, not 3:38, on their way to his place. In which case, we're back to the official story, and the most probable thing is that events starting going wrong at 5 North Townhomes, after CR and Lauren arrived there subsequent to 2:51 am, and the secrecy and lying start from there.