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I don't believe LE lied. It they did, and I'd bet the casino they didn't, perhaps they were trying to force the issue and get Casey to give them some type of truthful information since the apartment she said was Zanny's wasn't and since there was not then nor has ever been since any verifiable information given by Casey to authorities to coroborate the existance of Zanny, the babysitter Casey said said she used for years. Casey had apparently been unable to provide any address that verifies Zanny's ever having living in Orlando. There are seeminly no Zanny work locations, and I'm betting that there are also no phone calls to prove this Zanny is anything other than a figment of Caylee's mom's imagination. If, and I don't think they were, but if the cops were stretching the truth a bit, it was almost certainly an attempt to get Casey to end her string of lies and begin to help them find Caylee by being truthful at last. I seriously don't think they did lie though.
 
Jolynna said:
It may or may not be true that Sawgrass has video from that time period.

But since Casey swore several times that this was the honest truth, LP and RD have come forward to say Casey is now saying she was mugged and Caylee taken at Blanchard Park.

It sounds like SHE isn't saying anymore that Caylee was taken at Sawgrass.

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Whether there was a camera or not, as soon as that was said, KC moved the location where she dropped Caylee off from the vacant apartment to the stairwell. Pretty sad when strangers at the police department care more about finding a child than her own mother!
 
IIRC, LE said Sawgrass was required by law to keep security video for several days. That does not mean they cannot voluntarily keep it much longer, if they so choose, such as was noted earlier, for liability purposes.

IIRC, there was mention of obtaining security videos in the 400 pages but I don't care enough about this to look up from where and when. As another poster suggested, I can understand security video on stairwells, but even if there weren't any focused on the apartment, I am confident there were cameras on the entrance Casey must have used to get there and by her own description used.

IIRC, the detective also said they had contacted everyone or tried to, which again, I don't care enough to go look for the exact quote but suggest OP review the tape.

As has been repeatedly pointed out, LE is allowed to lie and if they did or stretched the truth, they are well within the law. I doubt very, very much they did in this instance. They had plenty without it and were trying to get more information from her by confronting her with proof of her obvious and repeated lies.

I find it disheartening that anyone would try to discredit LE, especially as they have been so very diligent in this case, imo. This to me is not unlike Jose Baez questioning the results from the Body Farm. Even if the Body Farm disclosed to him they were not done with their testing, it does not mean they have not completed any testing. I find it highly doubtful LE would open themselves up to at the very least, monumental embarrassment, if they had any doubt about Caylee's tragic death.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423119,00.html

Tuesday , September 16, 2008

"... Police now say they believe Caylee, whose third birthday was Aug. 9, is dead based on forensic evidence of a decomposing body and DNA matching that of the toddler found in Anthony's car. ..."

http://www.local6.com/news/17484847/detail.html

UPDATED: 1:24 pm EDT September 16, 2008

"... Detectives have said lab tests show Caylee's decomposing body was in her mother's car, and Anthony is their only "person of interest" in the girl's disappearance. ..."

And from the AP today:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h1Nac1XKmGDPZKMEdJOz4f2oHBzgD937VUGO3

"... Investigators call the 22-year-old mother a person of interest in the disappearance of 3-year-old Caylee, reported missing in mid-July. They say evidence indicates the girl's decomposing body was in her mother's car, but Anthony says she doesn't know what happened. ..."
 
lin said:
IIRC, LE said Sawgrass was required by law to keep security video for several days. That does not mean they cannot voluntarily keep it much longer, if they so choose, such as was noted earlier, for liability purposes.

IIRC, there was mention of obtaining security videos in the 400 pages but I don't care enough about this to look up from where and when. As another poster suggested, I can understand security video on stairwells, but even if there weren't any focused on the apartment, I am confident there were cameras on the entrance Casey must have used to get there and by her own description used.

IIRC, the detective also said they had contacted everyone or tried to, which again, I don't care enough to go look for the exact quote but suggest OP review the tape.

As has been repeatedly pointed out, LE is allowed to lie and if they did or stretched the truth, they are well within the law. I doubt very, very much they did in this instance. They had plenty without it and were trying to get more information from her by confronting her with proof of her obvious and repeated lies.

I find it disheartening that anyone would try to discredit LE, especially as they have been so very diligent in this case, imo. This to me is not unlike Jose Baez questioning the results from the Body Farm. Even if the Body Farm disclosed to him they were not done with their testing, it does not mean they have not completed any testing. I find it highly doubtful LE would open themselves up to at the very least, monumental embarrassment, if they had any doubt about Caylee's tragic death.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423119,00.html

Tuesday , September 16, 2008

"... Police now say they believe Caylee, whose third birthday was Aug. 9, is dead based on forensic evidence of a decomposing body and DNA matching that of the toddler found in Anthony's car. ..."

http://www.local6.com/news/17484847/detail.html

UPDATED: 1:24 pm EDT September 16, 2008

"... Detectives have said lab tests show Caylee's decomposing body was in her mother's car, and Anthony is their only "person of interest" in the girl's disappearance. ..."

And from the AP today:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h1Nac1XKmGDPZKMEdJOz4f2oHBzgD937VUGO3

"... Investigators call the 22-year-old mother a person of interest in the disappearance of 3-year-old Caylee, reported missing in mid-July. They say evidence indicates the girl's decomposing body was in her mother's car, but Anthony says she doesn't know what happened. ..."
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This is not a debate discussing if LE are allowed to lie. We know they can, and they will.

I have been trying to find the FL law that says Surveillance video must be kept for a certain amount of time. So far I have not been able to. This does not mean I am saying it doesn’t not exist. It means I haven’t found one.

If you feel this post is to discredit LE, then you are welcome to your opinion. I don't share that opinion with you.

I have have not found anything stating that sawgrass apts has any type of security what so ever. Maybe mentioning this was something over looked on the brochures and websites of the complex. Again, doesn't mean it isn't there I just haven’t found proof of it.

I'm not going to argue here on whether or not Caylee is alive or dead. This is not the correct thread for that discussion.
 
My intent was not to be rude or argumentative. If it appeared so, I do apologize.

The purpose in the links was to illustrate the embarrassment to LE, if they were releasing this info falsely, as some sort of ruse. It has been released quite widely and they would have a lot of egg on their faces, at the least.
 
Whatever happend to the "good guy - bad guy" method of interrogating? All I hear on those tapes is the "good guy" method. I guess they don't want to give her attorney any firewood to work with.
 
lin said:
My intent was not to be rude or argumentative. If it appeared so, I do apologize.

The purpose in the links was to illustrate the embarrassment to LE, if they were releasing this info falsely, as some sort of ruse. It has been released quite widely and they would have a lot of egg on their faces, at the least.
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I must have mis read what you wrote then. I apologize too.
 
The only ones with egg or embarrassment are KC and her family .

The LE will use any tactic that is legal and likely to produce information
to finding that little girl or finding out what happened to her

The LE are doing their jobs and working around the clock for months trying to find her . KC is partying lying and now spending hours in
her attorneys office planning her defense

SHEESH - let's not confuse who is the crimminal and suspect here
 
lin said:
My intent was not to be rude or argumentative. If it appeared so, I do apologize.

The purpose in the links was to illustrate the embarrassment to LE, if they were releasing this info falsely, as some sort of ruse. It has been released quite widely and they would have a lot of egg on their faces, at the least.
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There are also several threads discussing in depth that this information WAS NEVER RELEASED by LE. It was LEAKED.. big difference, and often the difference between truth and fiction. News media have been proven thousands of times to get information wrong and to purposely sensationalize bits of information into "breaking news" in order to get an audience. Subsequently they are proven to be inaccurate reports. I think the point here once again is that everything that is out there is not the truth. Casey has lied, LE has lied, and most likely quite a few of the other players in this case have lied.
 
Kalie61 said:
LP is saying all those things about Blanchard Park. Casey as far as I know has said nothing about it.
JB has not said she has changed her story at all. Even if she did, i doubt he would tell the media.
I don't believe the bounty hunter LP to be a credible source. By his own admission he was in the house one time and was not allowed to talk to Casey, or even approach the subject of Caylee. I'm just not sure where he gets his information from and none of it can be confirmed. Everytime he opens his mouth a new rumor comes out. A silly ruse by him to keep his face in front of the cameras.

I'm just not real sure about the things LP says, i question his motive in the case.


Is there a video at the Saw Grass apts that has Casey on it. Or was it used as an interrogation tactic to get Casey to confess?

I believe it was a tactic.
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LP had his female SG in the house and RD escorted Casey to and from her appointments every day, so I'm sure they heard a lot and reported it to him. I believe RD reported this story about Blanchard Park on NG one night... that Casey had told this to him. He also said she yakked and yakked to and from the lawyer's office all the time. I'm sure that they took note of everything she said.
I don't know if there was a video of Casey at the apts or not, but they proved that the apt. had not been lived in for months.
 
YellowDog said:
Whatever happend to the "good guy - bad guy" method of interrogating? All I hear on those tapes is the "good guy" method. I guess they don't want to give her attorney any firewood to work with.
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I thought they did a pretty good job. They did put her under some stress. This seemed like the bad cops phase. They talked more than she did, accused her of lying, told her what her lies had been during that phase and actually got her to admit that pretty much every thing she told them was a lie, the places Zanny had lived, the job at Universal, her Universal friends, although she still insisted that'd she dropped Caylee off at the Sawgrass, either at an apartment now known to have been vacant for months or in the stairwell by it with her long-term babysitter who has never been proven to exist. They demanded that she tell them where Caylee was, insisted she knew and even suggested that she might have thrown Caylee away. After that, one or both Melich and Allen left the room. I thought there was a third guy who took over in then, but maybe it was Allen who came back. That guy was nice and Casey even reverted back to telling some of the same lies she'd already admitted were not true. This time the guy didn't argue with her, he let her talk a lot more. I thought he was probably the good cop. But can you imagine dealing with Caylees mom in this situation?

We've had weeks and months to process all this, but the cops came into it cold. They're at work, get a call about a missing person so they go over. Caylee's been gone for a month and her mom has never reported her missing. I'm sure they were suspicious, but I'm sure they also wanted to try to find the baby if there was anyway they could. But instead of helping, Caylee's mom wasn't then, and as far as I can tell never has been, truthful about where she really left the baby, so they have no place to start. She leads them all over town and when they try to verify the things she's said and shown them, everything appears to be untrue. She didn't work at Universal. There doesn't seem to be a Zanny and Caylee doesn't appear to have been left at the Sawgrass. And this so-called mother won't give them anything else. Woa. Like I said, I think they did a good job given the circumstances. Frankly there restraint was admirable. It would have been understandable if they'd gone all bad-cop on her. She was completely outrageous. Her baby's been missing a month and nothing she said or did indicated she cared a whit.
 
LOTS of lies flying around that room but, far as I can tell, none by LE
 
A lawyer on NG's panel claimed LE did not mirandize Casey prior to their interviews. Nancy disagreed but I didn't hear them reading her miranda on the tapes. Does anyone know if they did? I'm not entirely certain but I believe, if they didn't the tapes may not be admissable.
 
misheley26 said:
A lawyer on NG's panel claimed LE did not mirandize Casey prior to their interviews. Nancy disagreed but I didn't hear them reading her miranda on the tapes. Does anyone know if they did? I'm not entirely certain but I believe, if they didn't the tapes may not be admissable.
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Why would they mirandize her at that point?

She wasn't under arrest, she was free to leave at any time, and was supposed to be helping the police find her daughter.
 
misheley26 said:
A lawyer on NG's panel claimed LE did not mirandize Casey prior to their interviews. Nancy disagreed but I didn't hear them reading her miranda on the tapes. Does anyone know if they did? I'm not entirely certain but I believe, if they didn't the tapes may not be admissable.
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Do they have to read her-her miranda rights prior to interviewing her? That would be a hard pill to swallow if those tapes were not admissible because of it, ugh!
 
EastSideOfSaddness said:
Do they have to read her-her miranda rights prior to interviewing her? That would be a hard pill to swallow if those tapes were not admissible because of it, ugh!
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She was not under arrest as pointed out in an earlier post. They specifically say the door is not locked, she is free to leave and she is speaking by her own choice. You don't have to talk to the police, if they have probable cause they will arrest you and you can ask for a lawyer, if they ask you to come in for questioning you can decline, and you can always refer them to your attorney. She did need Miranda rights at that point.
 
I don't know if they have to - again, the lawyer on NG mentioned they didn't even mirandize her. NG begged to differ but again, I did not hear them do that or see it on the transcripts. The concern came up for me when the lawyer mentioned it and now I'm fearful, what I feel would be very damning tapes could be kicked out. I'm just asking - maybe they don't need to mirandize her and they can still use them, maybe they did and that wasn't included in the transcript/tapes. I figured I'd pose it in case anyone is a lawyer in here or knows the law. So, I've retitled my post to "Any Lawyers Out There?".

DianeB said:
Why would they mirandize her at that point?

She wasn't under arrest, she was free to leave at any time, and was supposed to be helping the police find her daughter.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning

In the United States, the Miranda warning is a warning given by police to criminal suspects in police custody, or in a custodial situation, before they are asked questions relating to the commission of a crime. A custodial situation is where the suspect's freedom of movement is restrained although he or she is not under arrest.


They specifically address this at the beginning of the tape. The door is unlocked, you are not being detained, we would like to talk to you. She could have gotten up and walked out. She may or may not have been arrested at that point, but she was free to leave at the time of questioning. No Miranda rights needed.
 
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