Moo...many of the patients are victims of iDF bombs. For what reason should they trust or admire iDF?....moo
Israel - Palestinian militants launch massive attack, 7 Oct 2023 #12
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There is just no way that there can be a 2 state solution. Look at these demon possessed men.
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"Israeli soldier who threw a grenade at a mosque in Palestinian West Bank has been suspended,
IDF claims.
The video shows him walking towards the mosque at night, lobbing the grenade towards the door and walking away - with the call to prayer echoing in the background.
An explosion is then heard and the chant stops suddenly as the video cuts out.
In a statement posted on Friday night the IDF said it took the incident
'extremely seriously',
adding the soldier was 'suspended pending a full investigation'."
Israeli soldier who threw grenade at a mosque is suspended, IDF claims
The military man was seen in footage on social media approaching the building in the West Bank village of Budrus. Video shows him walking towards the mosque at night and lobbing the grenade.
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Also something for them to consider is there would be no IDF bombs exploding in Gaza if Hamas didn't attack innocent Israeli civilians. JMO.
Even IF the doctors and other employees did nothing criminal to the victims who were kidnapped and dragged there, the sad fact is that no one told the IDF about what was happening.
Nothing was said about the Hamas headquarters or tunnels beneath the hospital, in fact, everyone there denied it :
www.nytimes.com
Until Sunday, the IDF had displayed what it said were weapons found after searches of the grounds but was yet to produce evidence to back up the claims of a vast tunnel complex located beneath the hospital – allegations denied by both hospital staff and Hamas.
Red bolding mine.
Also notice the first photo at this link :
If it looks and quacks like a duck .... well, you know.
abcnews.go.com
"...The terrorist group and staff at the hospital denied Hamas is using the hospital as a command center.
But officials and analysts say Israeli troops may still only be scratching the surface at this point.
“There is, as I understand it, an ongoing discussion about breaching deeper below ground and whether this would put troops in harm’s way in ways that the Israelis aren’t comfortable [with] yet,” said Dr. Jonathan Schanzer..."
Red emphasis mine.
One more recent link regarding the tunnel system below the hospital :
www.seattletimes.com
The New York Times verified that both videos were recorded at Shifa Hospital, which Israeli forces stormed last week.
There's a quote attributed to Edmund Burke, but is actually unknown as to the author, afaik ?
www.reuters.com
A popular phrase warning against complacency has been misattributed to the eighteenth-century Irish philosopher and statesman Edmund Burke.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” .
Regardless, it's sound advice for the rest of us in this day and age.
Omo.
Nothing was said about the Hamas headquarters or tunnels beneath the hospital, in fact, everyone there denied it :
Israel Displays Tunnel Shaft at Gaza Hospital and Says It Will Let In Some Fuel
The discovery at Al-Shifa Hospital did not seem to settle the question of whether Hamas has been using the complex to hide weapons and command centers, as Israel has said.
Red bolding mine.
Also notice the first photo at this link :
If it looks and quacks like a duck .... well, you know.
US 'still convinced' Hamas used Al-Shifa Hospital as command center as Israeli raid continues
The White House remains convinced that Hamas used Al-Shifa Hospital, which has been raided by the Israel Defense Forces, as a command center.
But officials and analysts say Israeli troops may still only be scratching the surface at this point.
“There is, as I understand it, an ongoing discussion about breaching deeper below ground and whether this would put troops in harm’s way in ways that the Israelis aren’t comfortable [with] yet,” said Dr. Jonathan Schanzer..."
Red emphasis mine.
One more recent link regarding the tunnel system below the hospital :
Israel’s Military Releases Video It Says Shows Hamas Tunnel at Shifa Hospital
Israel’s military on Sunday released video of what it said was a 55-meter section of a fortified tunnel running 10 meters beneath the Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City.
www.seattletimes.com
There's a quote attributed to Edmund Burke, but is actually unknown as to the author, afaik ?
Edmund Burke did not say evil triumphs when good men do nothing
A popular phrase warning against complacency has been misattributed to the eighteenth-century Irish philosopher and statesman Edmund Burke.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” .
Regardless, it's sound advice for the rest of us in this day and age.
Omo.
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There is no immediate word on impacts.
Rocket alerts sound in towns near Gaza
Sirens sound once more in Israeli communities near Gaza.There is no immediate word on impacts.
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BINGO! Moo
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Lastly, there were no IDF bombs dropped ON a hospital. It was around the area of the hospital. The only bomb that hit a hospital turned out to be a Hamas misfire on Al Ahli.
‘A massacre’: Gaza hospital blast estimated to kill hundreds
Israeli and Palestinian authorities blamed each other for the fatal incident at al-Ahli Baptist Hospital.
www.nbcnews.com
AP visual analysis: Rocket from Gaza appeared to go astray, likely caused deadly hospital explosion
An Associated Press analysis of more than a dozen videos found that the deadly explosion at a Gaza hospital Tuesday was likely caused by a rocket fired from inside Palestinian territory that veered off course and broke up in the air before crashing back to the ground.
apnews.com
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If the people of Gaza are so into 'freedom fighters', why haven't they fought for their freedom from Hamas?The people of Gaza have not had the opportunity to make any changes to their government since 2006.
“Fast forward to 2006, and Hamas emerged victorious in Gaza’s elections against its rival, the Fatah party. It has been in control of Gaza since. No elections have been held thereafter and Hamas maintains political control.”
What is the Gaza Strip? What you need to know about the territory at the heart of the Israel-Hamas war
The Gaza Strip, which some have called "the world's largest open-air prison," is a narrow piece of land between Israel and Egypt.www.cnbc.com
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IMO just hours after raping, butchering and incinerating 1200+, I doubt Hamas had the compassion to bring people in for treatment. IMO they were just holding them there. General Hagari stated today that Noa Marciano was murdered at the hospital.Even IF the doctors and other employees did nothing criminal to the victims who were kidnapped and dragged there, the sad fact is that no one told the IDF about what was happening.
Nothing was said about the Hamas headquarters or tunnels beneath the hospital, in fact, everyone there denied it :
Until Sunday, the IDF had displayed what it said were weapons found after searches of the grounds but was yet to produce evidence to back up the claims of a vast tunnel complex located beneath the hospital – allegations denied by both hospital staff and Hamas.Israel Displays Tunnel Shaft at Gaza Hospital and Says It Will Let In Some Fuel
The discovery at Al-Shifa Hospital did not seem to settle the question of whether Hamas has been using the complex to hide weapons and command centers, as Israel has said.
Red bolding mine.
Also notice the first photo at this link :
View attachment 462371
If it looks and quacks like a duck .... well, you know.
"...The terrorist group and staff at the hospital denied Hamas is using the hospital as a command center.US 'still convinced' Hamas used Al-Shifa Hospital as command center as Israeli raid continues
The White House remains convinced that Hamas used Al-Shifa Hospital, which has been raided by the Israel Defense Forces, as a command center.
But officials and analysts say Israeli troops may still only be scratching the surface at this point.
“There is, as I understand it, an ongoing discussion about breaching deeper below ground and whether this would put troops in harm’s way in ways that the Israelis aren’t comfortable [with] yet,” said Dr. Jonathan Schanzer..."
Red emphasis mine.
One more recent link regarding the tunnel system below the hospital :
The New York Times verified that both videos were recorded at Shifa Hospital, which Israeli forces stormed last week.Israel’s Military Releases Video It Says Shows Hamas Tunnel at Shifa Hospital
Israel’s military on Sunday released video of what it said was a 55-meter section of a fortified tunnel running 10 meters beneath the Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City.
There's a quote attributed to Edmund Burke, but is actually unknown as to the author, afaik ?
A popular phrase warning against complacency has been misattributed to the eighteenth-century Irish philosopher and statesman Edmund Burke.Edmund Burke did not say evil triumphs when good men do nothing
A popular phrase warning against complacency has been misattributed to the eighteenth-century Irish philosopher and statesman Edmund Burke.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” .
Regardless, it's sound advice for the rest of us in this day and age.
Omo.
There is a danger of the resurgence of anti Semitism in what is at best of times a volatile world. To criticise the modern state of Israel does not equate with with anti-Jewishness
The present day situation is causing ructions between Jews and is probably the most dangerous threat we have ever had to the destruction of our planet.
My opinion
Across the US, Jews are facing complex emotions as they grapple with the escalating war in Israel and Gaza. Within families and congregations, on campuses, at protests and online, fissures within Jewish communities are deepening, reflecting broader divisions in public opinion over the war.
‘I, too, am the Jewish community’: rift among US Jews widens over Gaza war
Within families and congregations, on campuses, at protests and online, fissures within Jewish communities are deepening
This is typically what happens when soldiers go astray. As we've said earlier today every profession has bad seeds. The fact that IDF is doing something about it says those actions are not what they condone."Israeli soldier who threw a grenade at a mosque in Palestinian West Bank has been suspended,
IDF claims.
View attachment 462369
The video shows him walking towards the mosque at night, lobbing the grenade towards the door and walking away - with the call to prayer echoing in the background.
An explosion is then heard and the chant stops suddenly as the video cuts out.
In a statement posted on Friday night the IDF said it took the incident
'extremely seriously',
adding the soldier was 'suspended pending a full investigation'."
Israeli soldier who threw grenade at a mosque is suspended, IDF claims
The military man was seen in footage on social media approaching the building in the West Bank village of Budrus. Video shows him walking towards the mosque at night and lobbing the grenade.www.dailymail.co.uk
Then we have HAMAS.. celebrating every bad act. Their goal IS BAD ACTS. No reprimands for them, just celebrations and civilians in Gaza celebrating and spitting on hostages. The difference is clear.
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Just my opinion but I'd certainly trust IDF over Hamas leaders, I mean... what exactly has Hamas done for the Palestinians living in Gaza? Other than things like...
Spend money on weapons instead of the Gaza citizens. Store said weapons in schools, hospitals, under the beds of children.
Spend money on tunnel-digging. Not use those tunnels to protect even women and children. Just put more of the purchased weapons in them.
Teach bitter hate and death by killing Jews and infidels.
Train children to hate and kill Jews and infidels.
That's just a few things... off the top of my head.
What kind of freedom-speeches are these for people living in Gaza?!
imo... the Palestinians of Gaza would be far better off without these killers governing them... fight for the people of Gaza... stand against the terrorist... they are NOT freedom fighters... they are freedom killers!!
Spend money on weapons instead of the Gaza citizens. Store said weapons in schools, hospitals, under the beds of children.
Spend money on tunnel-digging. Not use those tunnels to protect even women and children. Just put more of the purchased weapons in them.
Teach bitter hate and death by killing Jews and infidels.
Train children to hate and kill Jews and infidels.
That's just a few things... off the top of my head.
What kind of freedom-speeches are these for people living in Gaza?!
imo... the Palestinians of Gaza would be far better off without these killers governing them... fight for the people of Gaza... stand against the terrorist... they are NOT freedom fighters... they are freedom killers!!
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IDF bombs with white phosphorus is the question many are asking.
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Human Rights Watch says Israel used white phosphorus in Gaza, Lebanon
Human Rights Watch on Thursday accused Israel of using white phosphorus munitions in its military operations in Gaza and Lebanon, saying the use of such weapons puts civilians at risk of serious and long-term injury.
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I'm trying to understand part of your post. You mention something happening between Jews that is probably the most dangerous threat we have ever had to the destruction of our planet.There is a danger of the resurgence of anti Semitism in what is at best of times a volatile world. To criticise the modern state of Israel does not equate with with anti-Jewishness
The present day situation is causing ructions between Jews and is probably the most dangerous threat we have ever had to the destruction of our planet.
My opinion
Across the US, Jews are facing complex emotions as they grapple with the escalating war in Israel and Gaza. Within families and congregations, on campuses, at protests and online, fissures within Jewish communities are deepening, reflecting broader divisions in public opinion over the war.
‘I, too, am the Jewish community’: rift among US Jews widens over Gaza war
Within families and congregations, on campuses, at protests and online, fissures within Jewish communities are deepeningwww.theguardian.com
I've always heard on MSM that climate change is our biggest threat. Can you explain what you mean please?
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I think anti Semitism has been a problem and has never went away.. I don't know what resurgence would be when it's never stopped.There is a danger of the resurgence of anti Semitism in what is at best of times a volatile world. To criticise the modern state of Israel does not equate with with anti-Jewishness
The present day situation is causing ructions between Jews and is probably the most dangerous threat we have ever had to the destruction of our planet.
My opinion
Across the US, Jews are facing complex emotions as they grapple with the escalating war in Israel and Gaza. Within families and congregations, on campuses, at protests and online, fissures within Jewish communities are deepening, reflecting broader divisions in public opinion over the war.
‘I, too, am the Jewish community’: rift among US Jews widens over Gaza war
Within families and congregations, on campuses, at protests and online, fissures within Jewish communities are deepening
My comments were that countries and their leaders can't even condemn HAMAS and call it what it is.. nothing about Israel or being for or against the actions they are taking now. I think people can be against the action Israel is taking and still admit that what happened Oct 7th was terrorism committed by a terrorist organization. Leaders around the world that refuse to acknowledge HAMAS for what it is are just weak IMO. They can speak against HAMAS AND disagree with the response from Israel.
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The thing is, IMO, that a Muslim person would never turn his/her back on another Muslim, especially if he/she considers them a victim.
Mind you,
there is more than a billion Muslims in the world.
Governments/authorities are not too happy to fight "on the street" sentiments of their people.
Only peaceful policy and compromises can bring success.
Demographics!!! must be taken into account.
Where are wise diplomats?
A lot of them finish fancy Diplomacy Academies
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