jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 14TH DAY #69*may contain graphic and adult content*

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I still feel sick about what they pulled today with clips from the phone sex tape. Not so much because it scares me and makes me think that it will make the jury believe that it was self defense, but because it was just wrong.

I was offended, not by the things Travis said IN PRIVATE to someone he thought he could trust enough to say those things to IN PRIVATE. No, I was not at all offended by those things, you know why? Because I was never supposed to hear those things! That was a private conversation between two consenting adults who were attracted to each other. My husband and I had a long distance relationship for a while in the beginning. When you are that far away from each other and you are that attracted to each other, things are going to be said. Maybe not everyone is like that, but some people are and that is okay.

I was offended that they took out all of the equally dirty things she said in her fake horny little girl voice and only played the things he said out of context. While I wouldn't wish this sick feeling on anyone else, I hope the jury feels just as disgusted as we did today.

Very well said!! I couldn't agree more!! I've had to take a break from this case bc I find myself becoming a very hateful person!! While "killer" may suck some people in with whatever spell or charm some say they've seen, I find that she repels me to no end!! I avoided the boards all weekend and had to turn her testimony off today! I couldn't agree more that TA's private thoughts should have remained just that! As if his BRUTAL SLAYING wasn't harsh enough, "that murderer" has to lie, and lie, and lie some more with a massive amount of word twisting in between!! She DISGUSTS me and I would love nothing more than to use vacation time at work one day to watch a needle be inserted as she begins her descent into the fire filled dungeon of the devil himself!! (See, I told ya she makes me hateful!)

As each day goes by, I find myself praying a little longer and a little harder for all of his family and friends!!
 
I really think Travis was so over Jodi and her bag of sex tricks. He had not even seen her since she moved. He even made excuses twice when he was supposed to come see her. He would have never gone to see her. He was over JA the psychopath when he told her she was the worst thing that had ever happened to him and he wrote that on May 26, 2008.

She didnt snap imo. She methodically thought out how she was going to murder him. Imo, the plan started the last of May and was complete about a week later.

The reason I believe he continued to talk to her and text her is it was a hell of a lot safer to communicate with her at a distance than have her show up on his doorstep unannounced like he knew she was prone to doing. I think he gave her sex or maybe they didnt have sex at all the day he died but if he did it was so she would leave his home and leave him the hell alone.:furious:

IMO

I think you're right. He continued to communicate with her so he could try to keep tabs on her and what she was doing, thinking, where she was going, what she was.... planning?

God, I wish he had gotten a restraining order, I wish he would have left and gone somewhere safe for a while, I wish he would have really had a gun or had an alarm system, I just wish.....
 
I go through my life and look back at the hell my sister put me through. For so long, I didn't know what it all was.
Now I can see it coming and protect myself. I maintain some contact because of my niece. (long long story)

I see that in JA, all the sex as 'love'. Travis became HERS. Her possession.
His long long text to her was truly from a person realizing they're in The Land of OZ.
Flying monkeys and all.

She does not handle rejection like normal people. Couple likely BPD and sociopathic and this is why we're here.


We should start a thread in the off topic area for BPD survivors.
I also am now seeing it in my mother. I think I pushed it out of my radar for so long, I was so busy defending my mom from my sister.

((hugs))

What is BPD again?

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Rule Reminder:

1) Keep the religious debate off of the thread please.

This post lands at random...
 
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I know people have said that they're afraid to share some of their thoughts here, but I'm wondering if there's anyone here who believes Jodi is coming off as sympathetic or endearing. I absolutely don't see it, and I think she's doing a lot of damage every time she opens her mouth just by seeming kind of cold and distant. Does anyone else see it differently? Am I missing something? I won't bite!

I fully agree with you!! I also see someone who is empty and as much
as she fought to keep Travis I fail to see any lost love from her just
the loss of ownership. Seems she doesn't know the difference. That's what JA feels.
I actually believe that within that 'void' IS content.
She may be going to prison; but she'll always know exactly
where Travis is! moo
 
Very well said!! I couldn't agree more!! I've had to take a break from this case bc I find myself becoming a very hateful person!! While "killer" may suck some people in with whatever spell or charm some say they've seen, I find that she repels me to no end!! I avoided the boards all weekend and had to turn her testimony off today! I couldn't agree more that TA's private thoughts should have remained just that! As if his BRUTAL SLAYING wasn't harsh enough, "that murderer" has to lie, and lie, and lie some more with a massive amount of word twisting in between!! She DISGUSTS me and I would love nothing more than to use vacation time at work one day to watch a needle be inserted as she begins her descent into the fire filled dungeon of the devil himself!! (See, I told ya she makes me hateful!)

As each day goes by, I find myself praying a little longer and a little harder for all of his family and friends!!

Five words of Zen:

This. Ends. With. Juan. Martinez.
 
This is the jewelry we gave Beth today...she said she'd wear it this week...see if you can spot it! ;)

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How beautiful!
 
I can't wait to hear what she says. I have had experience with some that shook me to my very core. And it was commonplace, I did not have a unique experience. It's just how it works.

The saying "how do you sleep at night" comes to mind. It is $$ and fame driven. We might think a Expert is paid the typical $450 per / hr. or at times maybe $4000 to $6000 by the time they are done. That is a small amount. But that's not always what they are paid. Some are paid 6 figures (depending on the potential payout someone is trying to avoid - the average Expert Witness in a pool of go to people makes around $50k to appear) or they do it for a few thousand and fame on a big scale such as a high profile case it puts them on the map to just be involved in such a case.

Understanding that some Experts discuss the case and then do not want to do it, they really do give their full honest assessment of what they think after they examine the defendant.. Or some feel they won't be able to give a report favorable to the Defense, then they are out, so the Defense moves to the next expert until they find one that fits the theme they are going with to get the client off.

There are honest experts many of them, in all fields (ask them how much work they get lol). But the Attorneys know the "go to" Experts, the ones that love to do it, become very well known on a National scale. It's almost a game.. You might even see an Expert testify for a case now across the country that you yourself used and you know why they have them too. And some high profile cases brag and get their Expert to say on the stand "What did you get paid to report on this, to examine the remains and come here today?" "nothing at all, I did not and would not take money that is how strongly I felt" OMG.. I have no words. YOU are on NATIONAL TV.. You got it back in gold...(and they get paid $50k to appear in 7 other cases that year, they can throw a free bee in!)

This is why in nearly all cases you see dueling Experts! I don't see they are doing that here, but typically I'd see a DV expert most likely examine and interview Jodi (but she may not have) and then give her report by testifying. Then the Prosecutor would have had her examined by their expert and that person would testify.

Defense might say she behaves in a classic abused women syndrome patter

Prosecution expert might say she does not believe this to be the case in fact, she would call it malingering and she behaves more like her borderline or sociopath patients, not a classic domestic abuse.

One usually just cancels out the other and the Jury might be more engaged with how one comes off on the stand.

Can it ever be about the TRUTH? One would hope? But I am afraid my poor self has been traumatized by these things we always thought were so upstanding. Only to find out how different life is when you get an up close look?

That is kind of why in the Expert part of a Trial, if Jurors knew the ins and outs of experts they may give very little weight to them and most of the weight to the evidence presented.. The Expert was not there when this occurred, the Expert cannot know for certain if a person is lying or telling the truth.. so they are rendering an opinion?

Every now and then when someone who could be classified as an Expert is on the stand, I get a great feeling of sincerity. They just seem truthful. The M.E. that testified in this case, he left me with the impression that he told it like it is. He did not down play or exaggerate.

I'll be on the edge of my seat.. And we just need to keep our fingers crossed we're never in a situation where we are innocent and a slew of experts would be hired and you sit very vulnerable to whatever they want to say. And humans will sleep very well with their check, and not give a moments concern they buried someone.

That is real scary and I have seen it in a case too. I cant remember the case, but there was an oriental "expert" that i had previously seen and thoght he was credible until I heard him testify on a case and knew darn well he was just saying what the attorney wanted him to say. It was maddening.

The "expert" in the CA case for the defense was another prime example. It was sheer BS and pretty much everyone knew it. There was no shame and it would have been laughable had it not been for the seriousness of it all.

I dont know how these people could sleep at night either. They sure arent going to get browny points in whatever god is in their religion if they purposely testify to something that they know not to be true.
 
I can't wait to hear what she says. I have had experience with some that shook me to my very core. And it was commonplace, I did not have a unique experience. It's just how it works.

The saying "how do you sleep at night" comes to mind. It is $$ and fame driven. We might think a Expert is paid the typical $450 per / hr. or at times maybe $4000 to $6000 by the time they are done. That is a small amount. But that's not always what they are paid. Some are paid 6 figures (depending on the potential payout someone is trying to avoid - the average Expert Witness in a pool of go to people makes around $50k to appear) or they do it for a few thousand and fame on a big scale such as a high profile case it puts them on the map to just be involved in such a case.

Understanding that some Experts discuss the case and then do not want to do it, they really do give their full honest assessment of what they think after they examine the defendant.. Or some feel they won't be able to give a report favorable to the Defense, then they are out, so the Defense moves to the next expert until they find one that fits the theme they are going with to get the client off.
There are honest experts many of them, in all fields (ask them how much work they get lol). But the Attorneys know the "go to" Experts, the ones that love to do it, become very well known on a National scale. It's almost a game.. You might even see an Expert testify for a case now across the country that you yourself used and you know why they have them too. And some high profile cases brag and get their Expert to say on the stand "What did you get paid to report on this, to examine the remains and come here today?" "nothing at all, I did not and would not take money that is how strongly I felt" OMG.. I have no words. YOU are on NATIONAL TV.. You got it back in gold...(and they get paid $50k to appear in 7 other cases that year, they can throw a free bee in!)

This is why in nearly all cases you see dueling Experts! I don't see they are doing that here, but typically I'd see a DV expert most likely examine and interview Jodi (but she may not have) and then give her report by testifying. Then the Prosecutor would have had her examined by their expert and that person would testify.

Defense might say she behaves in a classic abused women syndrome patter

Prosecution expert might say she does not believe this to be the case in fact, she would call it malingering and she behaves more like her borderline or sociopath patients, not a classic domestic abuse.

One usually just cancels out the other and the Jury might be more engaged with how one comes off on the stand.

Can it ever be about the TRUTH? One would hope? But I am afraid my poor self has been traumatized by these things we always thought were so upstanding. Only to find out how different life is when you get an up close look?

That is kind of why in the Expert part of a Trial, if Jurors knew the ins and outs of experts they may give very little weight to them and most of the weight to the evidence presented.. The Expert was not there when this occurred, the Expert cannot know for certain if a person is lying or telling the truth.. so they are rendering an opinion?

Every now and then when someone who could be classified as an Expert is on the stand, I get a great feeling of sincerity. They just seem truthful. The M.E. that testified in this case, he left me with the impression that he told it like it is. He did not down play or exaggerate.

I'll be on the edge of my seat.. And we just need to keep our fingers crossed we're never in a situation where we are innocent and a slew of experts would be hired and you sit very vulnerable to whatever they want to say. And humans will sleep very well with their check, and not give a moments concern they buried someone.

I enjoy your posts! Your very knowledgeable!
 
You know you have watched too much of this trial when:

1. Your husband gets amorous and you tell him "I am so sick of hearing about sex".

2. You know that for the rest of your life when you see a tootsie roll, JA face will come into your head (bad).

3. When in the future you hear the word "anal" in any context a very unpleasant picture will come into your head. (admit it)

4. When JA put her arm around her DT today, everyone on this board flinched and got creepy goosebumps like she actually touched you.

5. When you get in your shower, you re-enact the murder in your head.

Feel free to add on...

6. Every time you flush used toilet paper you laugh wickedly and say Good Riddance Jodi. (or am I the only one?)
 
I truly understand the DT is trying to save their clients life, but treating the jury like they will fall for any used car pitch is not doing the defense any good at all.
 
Very well said!! I couldn't agree more!! I've had to take a break from this case bc I find myself becoming a very hateful person!! While "killer" may suck some people in with whatever spell or charm some say they've seen, I find that she repels me to no end!! I avoided the boards all weekend and had to turn her testimony off today! I couldn't agree more that TA's private thoughts should have remained just that! As if his BRUTAL SLAYING wasn't harsh enough, "that murderer" has to lie, and lie, and lie some more with a massive amount of word twisting in between!! She DISGUSTS me and I would love nothing more than to use vacation time at work one day to watch a needle be inserted as she begins her decent into the fire filled dungeon of the devil himself!! (See, I told ya she makes me hateful!)

As each day goes by, I find myself praying a little longer and a little harder for all of his family and friends!!

Yes, her family. I can't even begin to say how much respect I have for them. I know they don't want a mistrial, but I just don't know if I'd have to restraint to sit there like they do. I feel like I would've been thrown out a long time ago. It's just too much.

I have been thinking about the jury and how they have their own lives a lot. When she talked and talked on direct I thought about them sitting there listening to her instead of going to work, being with their families, running errands. When she played word games and talked in circles during cross I wondered how this might be affecting them financially, how this might be keeping them away from their own responsibilities which might in turn put more pressure on those around them causing strains in their relationships. Then today when they pulled all of this b.s. I started thinking about the jury again. I think the defense is insulting their intelligence and showing them no consideration when it comes to how important their time is. Yes, Travis absolutely deserves justice and the jury has an important job to do and I get that the defense is trying to save Jodi's life and everyone deserves a fair trial but honestly if I were on the jury, the longer they kept me there with this Travis bashing b.s. and Jodi's word games the more pissed off I'd be.

Katiecoolady mentioned in the "View from the inside" thread that one of the jurors who usually really pays attention seemed totally over it today. That doesn't surprise me one bit. I think all of us were agitated and over it today. So many of us had to walk away from it because it was just infuriating. I can't imagine what it would feel like to have no choice but to sit through that. :banghead:
 
Please tell me if I am crazy. Jodi Arias read pages from her journal that were TORN OUT right? Meaning they weren't in the journal, right? I swear, Jodi apologists will have you questioning your own sanity. I was only listening to the trial today, didn't watch much of it and I zoned in and out, but I could have sworn that she was reading pages that were torn out, but I just want to make sure. lol.
 
I've always thought the Phantom of the Opera was about a pyschopath.

I have trouble telling these types apart, psychopaths, narcissists, borderlines.

They all look alike to me. People talk about their problem with rejection. I wonder if they see rejection of themselves as being murdered by the other so they strike out at this perceived threat in kind.



You will curse the day you did not do/
all that the Phantom asked of you


[video=youtube;_wM8JIU_91I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wM8JIU_91I[/video]
 
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